Before you start reading, let this be known that this is a very bitter and long piece of writing intended to enforce accountability. From a Greek no less! Preposterous! I will tackle Greek mythology and history (both modern and ancient) as well as politics and prominent artists when it comes to so called "Greek media"
now with that out of the way, let me get to the point
The way Greeks have been treated for the last several years has been nothing but abhorrent.
Foreigners, particularly westerners, have always had a soft spot for Greece - Even the great Rome was essentially larping as Greeks, and after them, The holy Roman Empire, Russia and now, the USA. You could make an argument about the HRE not pursing Greece-dom but as it pursued Rome, it, in extent, Pursued Greece too, at the two heavily intertwined with one another. So much so that Ovid's versions of some myths plague this sub to this very day.
And yet, all those nations and peoples commit the same sin.
They steal the essence of being Greek without the will to properly enact it - or at times, even utilise it.
In other words: Hellenic culture has been repeatedly stolen, bastardised and regurgitated.
think of Universities with the Greek letters that do nothing but commit debauchery, or even basic words like Psychology, democracy or, something more common for reddit, hermaphrodite. Greece has contributed immensely towards the enrichment of the English language, as long as the language of several other nations.
Think of world war 2 - where Hitler's reign was running rampant and his desire to swallow the whole world, who stood against him? The French, who failed in tremendous fashion, the brits who were being given a hard time, and the Americans, who by the time they had joined, Musollini would be having a coffee at the Akropolis - had it not been for the Greeks.
The Greeks are the reason half the world isn't under the red, white and black. Adolf Hitler hismelf stated:
"For the sake of historical truth I must verify that only the Greeks, of all the adversaries who confronted us, fought with bold courage and highest disregard of death.. " (From speech he delivered to Reichstag on 4 May 1941)
And then, Winston Churchill
"The word heroism I am afraid does not render the least of those acts of self-sacrifice of the Greeks, which were the defining factor in the victorious outcome of the common struggle of the nations, during WWII, for the human freedom and dignity. If it were not for the bravery of the Greeks and their courage, the outcome of WWII would be undetermined." (Paraphrased from one of his speeches to the British Parliament on 24 April 1941)
"Greeks do not fight like Heroes, Heroes fight like Greeks!"
"You fought unarmed and won, small against big. We owe you gratitude, because you gave us time to defend ourselves. As Russians and as people we thank you." (When Hitler attacked the U.S.S.R.)
- DURATION OF RESISTANCE (in days): Greece 219 Norway 61 France 43 (The superpower at the time) Poland 30 Belgium 18 Holland 4 Yugoslavia 3 Denmark 0 (The Danes surrendered to Hitler's motorcyclist who was conveying Hitler's request to the Danish king for the crossing of the Nazi armies. The Danish king indicating submission surrendered his crown to the motorcyclist) Czechoslovakia 0 Luxenburg 0 TOTAL GREEK CASUALTIES IN WWII BY COUNTRY: Albanians killed 1,165 Greeks Italians killed 8,000 Greeks Bulgarians killed 25,000 Greeks Germans killed 50,000 Greeks TOTAL LOSES IN POPULATION PERCENTAGES: Greece 10% Soviet Union 2.8% Holland 2.2% France 2% (The superpower at the time) Poland 1.8% Yugoslavia 1.7% Belgium 1.5%
And of course, think of how Greece has been treated,
With Respect?
With Dignity?
No, no, of course not.
Rome torched Greece, and Alaric who came to usurp it had Athens delivered to him like some common harlot to be passed around. Then, Byzantium was ravaged by the Venicians, who were falsely labeled as "crusaders",and then finished by the Ottomans and Seljuks.
The Germans began to strip Greeks of our value and our heritage, calling us fake, imposters, while proclaiming the ancient Greeks as a true Aryan race, and that Germans were the proper Greeks - giving them the A-okay to Kill Greeks at their whim and leisure. Then, after that, after the heroic display, Greece had effectively been taken over by the USA under a junta, thanks to the cold war.
And Greeks could do nothing, other than offer a pittance of resistance behind the walls of university.
And we still won.
Why do I bring all this up?
Because westerns Keep. Doing. The same. Fucking. Thing.
In 2015, a German newspaper named: Die Welt released a paper stating that Greeks are not true Greeks.
in 2020, a Medusa statue hoisting the head of Perseus was displayed in New York city with the intention of lifting the spirits of poor female victims of abuse - All the while, of course, in common western fashion, beating down the poor Greeks and bastardising the idea of the story.
Then, we have lighter subjects, the most dangerous ones. Because they are the ones you consume.
Hades, Song of Achilles, Epic, God of war, the general discussion around Greece as a whole has excluded Greeks themselves from their own Heritage. Not to mention several big creators, like The Angel incarnate or Neal Illustrator. And of course, Nolan's Fraudyssey!
Hades has every kind of person - Blacks, Whites, Asians, even Obsidian, and yet, not a single one looks like a Greek. The whites are too Norwegian, of course with posh british accents and non-Greek actors, the Blacks are too African with also, Non Greek actors. Not to mention the CEO himself saying that "The Greek gods do not belong to the Greeks, therefore, we can do whatever we want."
Song of Achilles, which, through no fault of it's own, became a prime drive for angsty teens and gay adults to project their own needs of love through Ancient heroes that they have no right to tamper with. Achilles was turned from a maniacal, genocidal, rapist, womanising piece of a shit, albeit godlike warrior and Patroclus was turned into a small bean uwu with a foot fetish.
Epic, through also no fault of it's own, has amassed a fandom of fans who will treat true Greeks who wish to feel represented, or at least heard, as outsiders, unworthy of the fruit of the labour their heritage and culture brings them by birthright. If you point out flaws in any of the animatics, you are branded a racist, a homophobe, a gatekeeper, and of course, a fake Greek. Titles I have been called several times, most of which being from the Epic fandom.
The designer of Kratos from God of war had openly stated in his interviews from the original game that, Kratos was designed after the main character from American History X - a movie warning against the dangers of Nazism and extreme ideologies. Therefore, Kratos was designed after a Nazi while his normal skin tone is more in line with a person of Roma heritage. Un greek in both body and mind.
Now, not to slander, but these are my personal experiences with Angel incarnate and Neal illustrator - I do not have any pictures to back these up as they both blocked me instead of having an actual discussion, like the privileged, white, American women they are.
Angel Incarnate posted a short comic about Alexander the great becoming a Pharaoh.
I commented "Bonus points for not Raceswapping Alexander"
She commented "Do not make this weird"
I commented "I do not make this weird, raceswapping of any kind is a serious issue when it comes to Greeks, thank you for representing us properly".
I do not have the exact response she gave, but she went on a mini rant that went along these broad lines: "I Have been fighting white supremacists in my comments for a while now and i'm sorry if i've come off as aggressive, but it's best you stop with this comment."
I did manage to copy paste my final reply before she blocked me:
the.angel.incarnate nazis used the Ancient Greeks as a role model while genociding and stripping modern Greeks of their heritage, national pride and history and mythology - like they did with the Celts, Vikings and in my opinion most grievously, Germans as well. I am not a white supremacist and people who whitewash greeks are, also, Race swapping us for something we are not. We are not, and never were, the Aryan supermodel they wished existed. However, Greeks were also not black or brown or a super white. Especially not Alexander, who was from Macedonia, a more northern and therefore, mote fair skinned region. I would know, I'm from Corfu, an island shared between Greece and Italy, most people here have a slightly darker complexion but still white. I don't care how you take it, ANY race swapping of the Greek people is bad. The one done by Hades, the one done by the nazis, the one done by people like Neal illustrator and the rewriting of history of Song of Achilles. You did good not making Alexander neither too black nor too white. Learn to take a compliment and please learn more about Greek history as Greeks are 50% the reason your country is not under the Reich.
I believe you understand where I am going with this.
Then, to Neal. This happened when Neal posted the first coloured sketch of the Olympus family. I do not quite remember which characters were involved other than Hestia, and i cannot double check thanks to... well, her blocking me, but what I do recall is calling her out on why all of them were black, getting blocked and subsequently, being posted on her twitter - "Why did you draw all of them black? These are not Greeks, i'd certainly tell because I actually am". And of course, I was the bad guy for questioning the Epic fandom's Jesus.
In short, both of these people are, to some extent either 1. Racist, or 2. Ignorant to a dangerous degree.
The Fraudyssey has cast noone as Greeks except for one Extra - the one actually speaking Greek with an indian and black actor telling him "We are Greeks from Ithaca", painting the true greek as a barbarian and the brave Greeks of New Athens of the US as the true Greeks, just slightly less Aryan.
Where am I going with this?
Where I am going is that you fucking people cannot be trusted with something actually Great and treat it with respect.
Greeks still exist. Hear us. We're the reason you're not under the Swastika.
You cast one guy, Jason Manztoukas, purely because of DEI so you can shut us up and then act like all is fine. You make media, basically ethnically genociding us and removing us from our own culture so that some white from Dublin or some black from LA can larp as Zeus or Ares
(Side tangent - Most Ares designs i've seen depict Ares as black. Projection? Why is the god of senseless destruction and anger almost always depicted as black from small artists?)
You take our myths and bastardise them, make them your own and remove everything Greek from it. It's not even Greek anymore, it's just a husk outfitted with straw.
You forge this idea of Greece being a gay paradise when in reality innocent children where taken away from families to serve as harlots and women were pushed out as worth less than nothing, at times not even capable of leaving their own home and what do you? You glorify it!
You take and you take and you take and nothing is no longer Greek anymore. And when Greeks speak out about it, what do you do?
You call us racists, you call us white supremacists, you call us homophobes, you call us gatekeepers, you call us whatever you need to so you can just keep taking and taking, until you've taken everything.
Piece of advice.
Be decent.
I actually cried when I felt truly represented when I was 12. From what media? Ducktales. The evil big disney company made a better job of making me feel represented through both Hercules and Ducktales than the indie companies supposedly made by loving people full of compassion and acceptance.
Hell, A lot of Greeks love both Hades and GoW as well, most grew up with Gow.I can't relate but it sure must be fun being able to enjoy something without the feeling of being excluded from what you own.
To wrap this up, I leave you with this.
We gave you the world
You took it
then you kept taking
and you WILL keep taking.
It's how it goes. Greek mythology survived by being Shared. Look at Halfdan, the Varangian from constantinople. Look at Ovid, who made such great versions of the myths he adopted, some are considered canon or mainstream (like my fav, Midas).
But if you're going to do it
Do it respectfully. Include us. Mention us. At least NOD at us instead of including people not meant to be included at the expense of the actual minority.
Long post. Remember when ifunny added potatoes here?