r/theunforgiven • • Jun 09 '24

Meta Subreddit resources and FAQ

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Welcome to r/theunforgiven!

This is a community where we share and discuss topics related to the Dark Angels, their successor chapters, and the fallen. If you want to share or discuss a topic about Space Marines or Warhammer 40k in general, without particular connection to the Unforgiven, then r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k would likely be a better fit.

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Please have a quick look at our rules before submitting a post or comment. You can find them in the sidebar or the landing page of our wiki (linked below). We'd also appreciate it if you did a quick search in the subreddit before submitting a post, in case your question was already asked and answered or the topic discussed recently.

Quick links

Here's a list of shortcuts to some of our most useful resources. Explore them at your leisure.

The community wiki

  • Landing page (subreddit rules and administrative information)
  • Lore page (narrative information on history, culture, and chapter organization)
  • Hobby page (information on building and painting)
  • Miniatures page (information on the model range and collectibles)
  • Gameplay page (resources on competitive play and FAQs/Erratas)

Informational PDFs (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

Lore analyses (see also the lore page of our wiki, linked above, for additional resources)

  • MMH#1 - What is the Inner Circle, and who is in it?
  • MMH#2 - What separates a Master from a Grand Master or Supreme Grand Master?
  • MMH#3 - What is the relationship between the 'Captain' rank and the 'Company Master' title?

Frequently Asked Questions

-What would happen if X occurred in the 40k universe?

Impossible to answer, unless X has already occurred. We can predict the future and discuss hypotheticals in our own universe because it is governed by natural laws. If a stone is dropped, it will fall (assuming nothing prevents it from doing so).

The 40k universe is fictional, and is governed entirely by it’s authors. If a stone is dropped, it will behave exactly as the author desires it to behave. No justification or explanation is needed. We only know what the author desires if they have made it happen already. We thus know for example that Lion beat Angron in their fight on Wyrmwood, but we don’t know who would win if they battled again in the future.

-Can I/am I allowed to do Y?

You can/are allowed to do anything you want with models you own, within the confines of your local laws. Where other people are involved (eg playing a game), you will need the agreement of those people. As long as everyone involved consents, you can do whatever you want (including changing game rules, playing with proxies, etc). Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-What base size should I use for model Z?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating base size. Some competitive tournaments and events enforce their own rules, search for those if you need guidance. In general, casual players seem to agree that you should use the latest base size the model is/was sold with, or the base size the model was supplied with when you bought it. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How strictly should models match their datasheet/equipment?

There have never been rules in the core game dictating how closely models must represent their datasheet. The answer may vary between each casual group and competitive tournament/event. Ask the people you will actually play, their answers and opinions are the ones that matter.

-How should I paint fliers/Dreadnoughts/Terminator-characters etc?

However you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who gets to wear robes/winged helmets/etc?

Whoever you want, they’re your models. If you want to know what lore says, see Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above).

-Who’s in the Ravenwing/Deathwing/Inner Circle?

See the Chapter Organization section of Index Astartes: The Unforgiven (linked above), or the relevant pages on Lexicanum.

-Could you identify a model for me?

See the Dark Angels Collectors' Guide (linked above). If the model you're trying to identify isn't in there, then it isn't an official Dark Angels model. If so, ask elsewhere, eg in r/spacemarines or r/Warhammer40k, or search through the miniatures portal on Lexicanum.


r/theunforgiven • • 6h ago

Misc. Where to get this model

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So i’ve seen this model posted and seen the requirements to get it (being a WH+ subscriber) but i’m not sure when or how to get it? didn’t see it in the community post but id love to get my hands on it can any one lmk how?


r/theunforgiven • • 7h ago

Painting Dark Angels Captain WIP

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r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Painting Grand Master Belial and StrikeMaster with Relic weapon

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Really Love how This guys came out! I tried to kitbash Belial Closer to his old model. What do you guys think?


r/theunforgiven • • 20h ago

Showcase Finished up some models for my DA successor homebrew

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Just wanted to show off my recent models for my DA successor, the Fell Blades

More stuff here:

https://www.instagram.com/fell_blade_minis/


r/theunforgiven • • 17h ago

Showcase First dark angel kinda nervous

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r/theunforgiven • • 19h ago

Painting Help me name him. CC welcome

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Little kit bash from a sword brethren kit . He’s going to be a captain of the 9th company. Help me name him and I’m looking for some painting feed back


r/theunforgiven • • 12h ago

Painting Alternate for caliban green?

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I am aware angel green by army painter exists. But I really like the cool dark bluish green look that caliban green gives. The only problem is I hate the pot system. Any alternates other than angel green?


r/theunforgiven • • 11h ago

Army List Eliminators good for anti T'au battlesuits?

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Equipped with las fusils of course


r/theunforgiven • • 14h ago

Showcase First 3-man ICC done!

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31 Upvotes

Tried a lot of new techniques for these guys! Very happy with my growth.


r/theunforgiven • • 18h ago

Painting Some wip shots of my Lion

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r/theunforgiven • • 18h ago

Misc. Dark Angels Chaplain in Space Marine 2

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r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Painting Two minis from my homebrew the Ashen Lions

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I like the grimy and dirty look when I'm painting.


r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Army List Help with 2000 pts list

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I've just started playing Dark Angels after a very long break from 40k.

I would like some advice for a 2000 points list I've tinkered with.

Space Marines - Dark Angels

Inner Circle Task Force and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)

Take and Hold

Strike Force (2000 points)

Attached Units

Attached Unit 1

Azrael (150 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• Warlord

• 1x Lion's Wrath

1x The Lion Helm

1x The Sword of Secrets

Hellblaster Squad (115 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 1x Hellblaster Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Ceramite Fists

1x Plasma Incinerator

• 4x Hellblaster

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Ceramite Fists

4x Plasma Incinerator

Attached Unit 2

Captain in Terminator Armour (110 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Relic Weapon

1x Storm Bolter

• Enhancement: Singular Will

Deathwing Knights (255 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 4x Deathwing Knights

• 4x Mace of Absolution

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Attached Unit 3

Asmodai (80 points)

• Attached as: Leader (Character)

• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon

1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Inner Circle Companions (180 points)

• Attached as: Bodyguard

• 6x Inner Circle Companions

• 6x Calibanite Greatsword

6x Heavy Bolt Pistol

BATTLELINE

Intercessor Squad (85 points)

• 4x Intercessor

• 4x Bolt Pistol

4x Bolt Rifle

4x Knives and Fists

• 1x Intercessor Sergeant

• 1x Bolt Pistol

1x Bolt Rifle

1x Knives and Fists

OTHER DATASHEETS

Assault Intercessors with Jump Packs (95 points)

• 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant with Jump Pack

• 1x Chainsword

1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

• 4x Assault Intercessor with Jump Pack

• 4x Chainsword

4x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 points)

• 1x Armoured Feet

1x Ballistus Lascannon

1x Ballistus Missile Launcher

1x Storm Bolters

Deathwing Knights (255 points)

• 4x Deathwing Knights

• 4x Power Weapon

• 1x Knight Master

• 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Terminator Squad (200 points)

• 1x Deathwing Sergeant

• 1x Power Fist

1x Storm Bolter

• 4x Deathwing Terminators

• 1x Cyclone Missile Launcher

4x Power Fist

4x Storm Bolter

Inceptor Squad (130 points)

• 2x Inceptor

• 2x Ceramite Fists

2x Plasma Exterminators

• 1x Inceptor Sergeant

• 1x Ceramite Fists

1x Plasma Exterminators

Redemptor Dreadnought (180 points)

• 1x Fragstorm Grenade Launchers

1x Heavy Flamer

1x Icarus Rocket Pod

1x Macro Plasma Incinerator

1x Redemptor Fist


r/theunforgiven • • 18h ago

Showcase Bladeguard vets for my buddy

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r/theunforgiven • • 13m left

Meme/joke Dad Did Some Work Today

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r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Lore We are the best legion because we have the best theme

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blood angels = space vampires (lame)
space wolves = people that turn into puppies or something (lame)
iron hands = iron hands (not lame)

Dark Angels = knights who are sometimes Native American Indians but sometimes not, who have plasma weapons and cool little psychic buddies, did everything before all the other legions, and have cool secrets. (clearly the best)


r/theunforgiven • • 12h ago

Building Give me your alternate poses for DWK

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I have 5 more to build, and I want them to be unique to these, but I’m fresh out of ideas


r/theunforgiven • • 10h ago

Painting How do I fix this?

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It might not be very noticeable, but the upper part is way too heavily saturated with wash. I liked how it was coming along at first, but I just couldn't achieve the same effect on the upper section as I did on the cuff or the left leg. I don't want to strip the paint off—and for those interested, I use Vallejo paints.


r/theunforgiven • • 17h ago

Painting Land Speeder

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First new mini for my Dark Angels. Now to the Teeminators


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Showcase Sharing my Captain and his story!

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Took this lowely squad, led my new captain to a game vs orcs last week. You ever heard of new model syndrome? Well this was the opposite! (Shameless post warning)

In my turn 2 my opponent used Da Jump to get 20 boyz, a weirdboy and a warboss close to my home obj with rapid ingress. After peppering the orks with 5 hellblasters Mr. Captain over here, who was making his way towards the center, turned around and rolled a 12 on the charge to come back and defend his land! The intercessors cleared up some boyz before the Captain, with the imperiums sword, used Final Hour to kill 1 boy, a nob, the weirdboy, and the warboss in a single activation!

The warboss wasn't done though and clapped back with fight on death, killing off the bodyguard unit and landing a wound on the Captain.

In my opponents next turn another warboss, leading a damaged unit containing 2 boyz and a nob, who was leaving a corner objective to go center board decided to turn toward my lone Captain and fire his Gobshot Thunderbuss! Bringing the Captain down to 1 wound remaining!

Loyal and courageous, sword raised high my Captain put himself in assault doctrine the next turn and ran along the long end of the board to charge the xeno scum! The imperiums sword brought down killed off the unit, but alas Brute Bosses detachment activates fight on death for the warboss and he takes my beautiful captain down with him.

In total my Captain leading 5 assault intercessors killed roughly 480 points worth of orks and prevented the warboss with da gobshot thunderboss from engaging at the center objectives. He also scored assassination, no prisoners and a grivious blow in that first fight activation.

The game ended with tableing my opponent with 3 models left standing (terminators). I won 72-69.

I'm still thriving off of the high this match gave me a week later.


r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Army List 3v3 9k a side game

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r/theunforgiven • • 2h ago

Army List How strong is this list?

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I have another list identical to this list with assault bros instead of darkflight with furious assault enhancement on the BGV and DWT, do you guys think that would be better or is this better?

Dark Angels 2,000pts (2 000 Points)

Space Marines
Dark Angels
Darkflight Pursuit and Wrath of the Rock (3 Detachment Points)
Take and Hold
Strike Force (2 000 Points)

ATTACHED UNITS

Attached unit 1

Asmodai (80 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Crozius Arcanum and Power Weapon
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol

Bladeguard Ancient (70 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Heavy Bolt Pistol
• 1x Relics of Battle

Bladeguard Veteran Squad (180 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Sword
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
• 5x Bladeguard Veteran
◦ 5x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 5x Master-crafted Power Sword

Attached unit 2

Belial (100 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Master-crafted Storm Bolter
• 1x The Sword of Silence

Deathwing Terminator Squad (380 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Sergeant
◦ 1x Power Fist
◦ 1x Storm Bolter
• 9x Deathwing Terminators
◦ 3x Chainfist
◦ 2x Plasma Cannon
◦ 6x Power Fist
◦ 7x Storm Bolter

Attached unit 3

Ravenwing Command Squad (130 Points)
• Attached as: Support (Character)
• 1x Ravenwing Apothecary
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Grenade Launcher
• 1x Ravenwing Champion
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Master-crafted Power Weapon
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
◦ Enhancements: Lord of the Ravenwing
• 1x Ravenwing Ancient
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon

Ravenwing Black Knights (85 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Ravenwing Huntmaster
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Corvus Hammers
◦ 1x Plasma Talon
• 2x Ravenwing Black Knight
◦ 2x Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Corvus Hammers
◦ 2x Plasma Talon

BATTLELINE

Outrider Squad (80 Points)
• 2x Outrider
◦ 2x Chainsword
◦ 2x Heavy Bolt Pistol
◦ 2x Twin Bolt Rifle
• 1x Outrider Sergeant
◦ 1x Plasma Pistol
◦ 1x Thunder Hammer
◦ 1x Twin Bolt Rifle

OTHER DATASHEETS

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Deathwing Knights (255 Points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 4x Deathwing Knights
◦ 4x Mace of Absolution
• 1x Knight Master
◦ 1x Great Weapon of the Unforgiven

Land Speeder Vengeance (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery
• Enhancements: Nightforged Battery (Upgrade)

Land Speeder Vengeance (160 Points)
• 1x Armoured Hull
• 1x Heavy Bolter
• 1x Plasma Storm Battery
• Enhancements: Nightforged Battery (Upgrade)

Scout Squad (65 Points)
• 1x Scout Sergeant
◦ 1x Bolt Pistol
◦ 1x Boltgun
◦ 1x Combat Knife
• 4x Scout
◦ 4x Bolt Pistol
◦ 4x Boltgun
◦ 4x Combat Knife

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r/theunforgiven • • 3h ago

Misc. Company Organisation

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I’m fairly new to this hobby and have started building my greenwing 3rd company and love sorting them into fairly lore accurate squads;

1st squad - intercessors
2nd - infiltrators
6th - aggressors
7th - jump pack assault intercessors
8th - incursors
9th - eradicators
10th - hellblasters

I have put aggressors as battle line even though they are probably 9th/10th squad.

Would be cool to hear what anyone else has done with their organisations!


r/theunforgiven • • 1d ago

Building Requisition Form #5673

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Ive recently aquired 4 bnib attack bikes, and Intend to build them along my ravenwing bikers however i am lacking the front wings and the winged antennae at the back, any idea where i can find them or similar bits that match the firstborn aestetic If possible in the EU, so far ebay hasnt been really helpful as everything îs either overpriced or abroad.