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r/electricians • u/yourgrandmasteaparty • Feb 16 '25
Mental Health - It’s okay to not be okay
I want to talk about mental health - especially for the boys on here. I was telling some friends this story about an old coworker the other day and thought you might want to hear it too.
I’m a woman in the trades, almost a decade in. When I started, I was often the only girl on site. I would move between projects and journeymen mentors, many of whom had never worked with a woman before. Once the old guys got over the otherness and saw me as a real person and an excellent apprentice, we’d form a friendship of sorts. I was always struck with how much more candid and vulnerable they’d be around me compared with the other guys in the shop. Their masculinity wasn’t in jeopardy if they admitted to me, a mere woman, that they were having tough time. I had one guy - 6’6” 300lbs, always growling, chain smoking, losing his shit over the smallest inconvenience - tell me he always requested me when he needed help because I made him calm.
A couple years in, I was sent to replace an apprentice on a job where the foreman had booted him in an argument. I’d worked before with this foreman, Neil, and he’d always been a chill hippie but also very particular in how he wanted things done. When I got to site he told me I was the fourth helper for this job because everyone else had been fucking useless. He was in an awful mood all the time. Picking fights with other trades and our PM. Trying to goad me into an argument by picking apart everything I was doing. Not acting like the guy I had known over the past year.
When the job was close to wrapping up, I called him out on his behaviour. “What the fuck is going on with you dude? You’re being a raging asshole to everyone and this isn’t like you.”
He stiffened and was shocked I’d said something. He glared at me and then his face softened and he said “Can I take you for lunch after we finish up tomorrow morning? We can talk but not here.”
I agreed and the next day he took me to diner nearby. We barely spoke until our food came to the table and when he had something else to focus on, he finally started talking.
He was older - 50s - and his long term relationship had fallen apart a few years before but the split had been amiable. He didn’t speak about her with any animosity but admitted he’d been lonely ever since. At the time, he’d leaned on his best friend. His friend was married and had a teenage son that Neil had known since he was born. As Neil had no kids of his own, this boy was a surrogate son of sorts. He took him camping and fishing and showed up whenever the kid needed him.
The poor kid had passed away a couple months earlier very suddenly of natural causes. Neil had no idea how to handle his grief and withdrew into himself, not wanting to be a burden on his friend. He felt selfish for how bad he felt when it wasn’t his kid.
I reassured him that how he felt was completely valid, that grief is a weight that is so hard to carry alone. I encouraged him to reach out to his friend because they both were suffering the loss of family, whether biological or chosen. And that now they were both suffering the loss of each other’s friendship as support. He was crushed at that realization, and said he would go visit them.
A few minutes passed while we ate silently. He hesitated before speaking again, “there’s something else too.”
I looked up and waited for him to continue.
He told me that last month he’d been working this job that had a been a two hour commute away. He had to leave early to get to site by 7:30. It was late fall and the drive was dark the whole way. He wasn’t too far from site when he came around a corner to discover a vehicle collision. A truck was spun out into a ditch with the driver unconscious in the front seat. A van was crushed on the side of the road, on fire and blazing in the darkness, its front driver door open. Neil stopped and got out of his van. He noticed something on fire in the road, and as he approached, he realized it was a person - the driver from the van. He ran and got a blanket to smother the fire on the person. He held them and pulled their head up to look into their face, which was so burned he couldn’t recognize their features. He said he stared into their eyes as they died in his arms.
Another vehicle had come up behind him and called 911. He sat there in the road in a daze until the emergency vehicles arrived to secure the scene. He gave his statement and then got into his van to finish the drive to work.
He was late which pissed off the GC. He tried to get to work but he was shaking so badly he couldn’t hold his tools or complete a sentence. When the GC saw him in this condition, presuming that he had shown up drunk, he kicked him off site. Neil didn’t explain, he just left.
Our PM called him after that, reaming him out for getting kicked off site. Neil didn’t explain, he just took it.
I asked him if he had talked to anyone about the incident. He said the police had called for a follow up statement but otherwise, no, I was the first person he told.
I was in shock. This poor fucking guy was struggling with the grief of losing a boy who was like a son to him and then went through an insanely traumatic experience just driving to fucking work? And he was bottling it all up? No wonder he was being such a prick. He felt all alone and like he couldn’t admit how much he was struggling.
He said he was sick of work and had lost all his passion for it. It felt pointless and draining and he dreaded getting out of bed every morning.
I gave us a few moments of silence for the weight of his confession to settle in. I looked at him and said “fuck work, you need a break.” He shook his head and tried to brush me off. “No, seriously Neil, fuck work. There’s always more work but you need to take care of yourself. What you’re going through is so fucked up and you need time to process it all. Please put yourself first.”
He didn’t want to talk anymore after that so he settled up the tab. He dropped me off at my car and we went our separate ways. I started at a new site the next day with a different crew.
A couple weeks later I got a text from Neil. “I took your advice and talked with management. Told them what happened. I’m taking a six month sabbatical. Don’t know what I’ll do yet but probably head out on an adventure. Thank you”
A couple days later I got another message from him, just a picture of a beautiful remote campsite with no one else around.
I asked, “Where is that?”
He replied, “Not telling :)”
I ended moving to a different company while he was gone, and never saw him again. I think about him often though, especially when I encounter an utter dickbag older dude on the job. Maybe he’s going through it and doesn’t know how to take care of himself, and anger is the only way he knows how to channel his emotions.
Now that I’m a foreman, I stress the importance of whole body health in our toolbox talks. If someone needs time off for family reasons, or a mental health break, or a shortened schedule, or even if they want extra shifts to use as a crutch as they struggle through something they can’t control in their personal lives, I want them to know it’s okay to ask and I won’t judge them. It’s just a job - it’s just work - it doesn’t fucking matter. Their health comes first and it’s okay to admit they’re not okay. I want them to know it’s better to ask for help when they’re slipping, rather than wait til everything has crashed and burned.
I know everyone’s experience is different, but one thing I noticed about being the woman pushing into the male-dominated trades as an apprentice/therapist is that men need permission to be vulnerable. They need to know it’s okay to show emotions and admit that they’re struggling. They won’t chance admitting weakness that they fear will get thrown back in their face. A lot of guys in trades are single and married to the job. They are lonely, often bitter, and unwilling to show weakness.
I do my best in my little sphere of influence to make it okay to be not okay. If you want the trades to be a healthier place, you need to consciously make room for the reality that people are struggling mentally, and often that starts with leaders showing vulnerability.
I’ve had depression for 16 years and I don’t hide the fact that I’m medicated. 16 years of being depressed means 16 years of not following through on suicidal ideation, and I’m proud of that. The trades saved me because it’s instilled a confidence in my abilities to create and solve problems and be the leader I was always capable of being. I needed that confidence so badly when my depression was the worst.
Be good to each other out there. Be willing to listen to people without judgement. Life is fucking hard and we work better when we know we can rely on each other when the chips are down.
r/electricians • u/Ax35 • 14h ago
My stripper didn’t like the 500s
Had a big demo job got paid to pull all this out . Unfortunately these jobs are becoming more rare.
r/electricians • u/nonebutmyself • 12h ago
Hmm, I guess thats why the circuit wasn't working...
Customer stated that their bedroom baseboard heaters weren't working. I think i found out why.
r/electricians • u/darkartorias0 • 13h ago
First solo lighting gig!
2nd year apprentice, got sent to a new job site to help them catch up. Got my first chance to do all the lighting on my own! (not shown in picture: broom behind the column)
r/electricians • u/Fun4-Runner • 11h ago
Frank Adam panelboard
Anyone else seen one of these panels?
r/electricians • u/itsmybar • 7h ago
45 yr old apprentice - needs your 2 cents (long read)
Last year, I quit my 20 yr career and took a 9 mth electrician program. I enjoyed every minute of it. Understood everything in the classroom and excelled in the lab. I especially took a liking to motor controls, relays, and basic plc setups. I built my own relay board and had fun challenging myself with different ladder diagrams. Towards the end of the program, a local security systems company reached out to our school looking to hire. My instructors threw in my name, so I interviewed and I got hired. I’ve been here for just under a year. Its residential security. No conduit. But I am already building 12v main panels, subpanels, connecting 2wire or 4 wire devices, having fun with cat6 cables, security cameras and nvrs.
Im not green. I’ve built and upgraded numerous things in my house. I set up my own EV charger (into the wall, down through the crawlspace, everything code compliant). I hooked up my friend’s business with new dedicated circuits.
I have my own collection of power tools. Im comfortable drilling, running wire and wiring anything.
I’ve been trying to transition out of here. I applied, tested and interviewed for almost every local union (11, 501, 40) and I just dont place well. I’ve applied/interviewed for many small shops and have had several last round interviews with big name companies, but nothing.
Im want to grow far with this trade. I really enjoy it. I want my hours and hopefully by the time I’m 49-50, I can go for my C-10 or Journeyman. Working in Industrial would be a dream, but no one wants to take this old guy seriously :)
Is it really that saturated out there? Is it my age? Im not a shy guy, am I just talk too much during an interview? Im just looking for some perspective. You guys tell me, I’d greatly appreciate it.
r/electricians • u/Pretend-Owl6328 • 7h ago
Good places to live as a journeyman electrician
Been thinking about moving to a warmer climate as im currently in Wyoming and just wanted a good change of scenery. Thanks in advance
r/electricians • u/TechnicalRub7803 • 2h ago
Not seen this before…
Looks like the fuse is melting through the plug??
r/electricians • u/pbr4in • 10h ago
Ma'am, I found the problem, you need to replace your light bulb fluid.
Apparently headlight fluid isn't just automotive.
r/electricians • u/MethylEthylandDeath • 1d ago
Brother’s and sisters, I have seen the light
I genuinely thought these were a bit of a gimmick for awhile now. After finally trying them, I can’t imagine working without them. I can cut about anything, strip most wire with a little bit of finesse, and not to mention they have a cool holster that goes on the belt.
My only complaint is that they make for an incredibly shitty hammer.
r/electricians • u/Present_Drive6477 • 1h ago
New foreman advice
I just accepted a new job as a foreman and I start in two weeks. I'm a journeyman with 10 years of experience who had no desire for leadership until about two years ago. I've worked as a lead on crews for the past year and a half and feel that my leadership skills and electrical knowledge are pretty good. I get along with my guys and my crews production is typically very timely and of good quality.
The part I'm a little nervous about are the things on the back end and paper work side. I'm just looking for suggestions and advice from some of yall that have been foreman for awhile
r/electricians • u/MalHoliday • 17h ago
How to tell if the career is for you
Im 2.5-3 years into my apprenticeship. Had a lot of ups and downs and a lot of job changes. How do you know if the career is for you. I feel like im too old to make a change but I keep forgetting steps on installing certain things and I keep second guessing myself. Should I pack it in or have any of you had to deal with the same kind of thing?
r/electricians • u/yunjundo • 13h ago
Sleeves set before the slab pour: how tight do you tie conduit to rebar, and do you cap with plugs or tape?
Low voltage work in Korea, and this was the day before a slab pour: all we did was get conduit into the rebar before it disappears under concrete.
What went in: blue corrugated conduit for comms and camera drops, black for two separate runs, and a yellow one for power, kept apart from the LV work.
How we set it:
1. Drop points marked off the drawing and measured from the grid lines, not from the formwork. Formwork moves during the pour, the grid does not.
2. Tied to the rebar with tie wire every 60-80 cm, bend radius kept generous. A tight bend is fine today and a nightmare when someone pulls cable through it two years later.
3. 30-40 cm left standing above the finished slab level. Too short and you are chasing the wall to find it once the level is set.
4. Every end capped, then taped over.
Two things I keep going back and forth on:
- Tie spacing. I use 60-80 cm on a slab like this, but I have seen people go much tighter around the coil so it does not shift under the chute. Is there a rule of thumb you actually stick to?
- Caps or plugs. We tape the plug on top, which works, but I have seen sleeves still get a slug of concrete in them when the hose lands right next to it.
If I did it again on this job: bring more caps than you think you need, and set the coils facing away from the pour direction so the chute does not knock them flat.
r/electricians • u/Outdoor-electrician • 1d ago
Anyone else ever worked with one of these beauties before?
Doing demo in an old 9 story building. Aside from the last two pictures (old belt driven squirrel cage motor) these were still being used.
r/electricians • u/Financial_Pop1596 • 1d ago
Fastened witb hopes and prayers
I find stuff like this on a weekly basis How is this acceptable.
r/electricians • u/AdOptimal3299 • 13h ago
marina electrician experience?
im a first year apprentice, my company seems to be niche working mostly marinas. i've helped on a few jobs. i've been wondering the Value in this line of work for someone learning the trade. i've just seen its more physical, pulling wire mostly. i dont wanna get stuck not knowing much else.
r/electricians • u/Realistic-Method-305 • 17h ago
Question for contractors.
Would you send a first year apprentice 6 months in alone to rough in an entire floor of an apartment building without periodically checking his work? Ive been on this job alone and have roughed an entire floor of 3 apartments alone and have gotten checked on once by my jman who was definitely drunk lmao.
r/electricians • u/Electrical_Canary_ • 1d ago
2nd year apprentice needs advice
Picture is of a random 8”x8” j box I made up. Little back story before my question but I’ve been on this project for a few months now and every time my journeyman has us layout lights we end of moving them multiple times due to a variety of reasons. Reasons such as owner request, obtained new set of prints, scale not accurate, etc.
My question is, for when I become foreman is how can I avoid constantly moving lights after installment? Is there a way we could just install once and be done? Or is this the way commercial work goes. For more context we’re doing a fairly large restaurant and bar.
r/electricians • u/No-Brush-1068 • 16h ago
New Jersey Electrical Contractor app
Has anyone gone through this process recently (or at least since the DOL Apprenticeship rules changed in 2023). I just finalized my application and I’m waiting for board review. How long did it take before you got permission to test?