Tanking Doesn't Work

[u/kf3434]

I see a lot of irrational unhinged takes from Nets fans who are acting like Washington, Utah, or Charlotte won the lottery. They didn't. A team that made the play-in did. Tanking doesn't work especially with this weighted lottery. I'm tired of fans who just want to endlessly lose, who are terrified of trying to win. I'm aware of the realities of free agency, etc. I get it. But I'm ready to try to win and in Marks I trust

[u/MrRaspberryJam1]

Fuck it, just build out a team of role players until the right star is available.

[u/pr0fess0rx29 → u/MrRaspberryJam1]

I do not disagree with you, the only issue with this is every NBA team has to make minimum salary floor. So having a team of no stars is not as easy as it might seem. Does Marks sign marginal players at a stars salary? Or should he sign aging star players that he knows will get injured so that we lose enough games to have favorable draft position?

It's tricky. One thing is for sure though, it's Marks' job to plan for the medium to long term success of the Nets. If he wants a favorable draft position he has to plan for it. I disagree with some who say it's Jordi Fernandez and the players job to tank games. It's not. The coach and players job is to win as much as they can. It's the GM's job to plan long term for a good draft position, not the coach and players. So if Marks wants a good draft position, then he has to put players on the team that will give him that.

[u/kf3434 → u/pr0fess0rx29]

Role players aren't necessarily cheap though. This is far from "the process"

[u/Jackstraw0014]

Most would not want to tank but Marks dealing the Phx picks for their own to clearly tank changed everything. Awful trade in hindsight

[u/kf3434 → u/Jackstraw0014]

Hindsight is 20/20. No one expected Phoenix to fall off a cliff. Every Nets fans was excited about getting their picks back. Except me cause I think picks are only useful if they're getting you a real life nba player either way

[u/MrRaspberryJam1 → u/Jackstraw0014]

Hindsight is 20/20. No one expected the Nets to win so much early on, and no one expected Phoenix to fall off as hard as they did.

[u/BKtoDuval]

If your strategy for success is to rely on getting a top 3 pick, you're doing a terrible job as a GM. Scout, draft, develop, smart cap management.

[u/kf3434 → u/BKtoDuval]

Thank you! I'm tired of all these "you have to draft a star with a top pick or else you're doing it wrong" takes.

[u/themightykites0322]

The absolutely whining takes I’ve seen over the past day are so annoying. This feels like most of the fans on this sub have never actually watched the NBA Lottery before. This happens every year!

I even tried to express multiple times how Detroit, 3 years in a row, ended up with a top 3 projection and dropped to 5. Tanking does not guarantee anything. Building a culture and getting guys who buy in IS important and we’ve done that this season and we still have quite a few assets who can help us next year as well.

If it were up to the fans we would have sold everyone or released every player and wound up with top 3 odds, no real culture, and no players and then wound up dropping to pick 4 at best. This is why building a culture, stacking as many assets as possible, and not just dropping guys for nothing is the proper way to do it.

[u/kf3434 → u/themightykites0322]

THANK YOU. The nets are honestly in a better position than many other nba franchises. The doom and gloom is annoying.

[u/mharri05 → u/themightykites0322]

Bro, detroit has a superstar and other good players on their roster. They will be a playoff team for the next 5 years. Horrible example, lol.

[u/ConsiderationBig5728]

Did they tank last year? I’m sure cam Johnson played in most of our games. The sixers tanked and stole our 5th place finish.

One year of proper tanking next year then we go again.

[u/kf3434 → u/ConsiderationBig5728]

Lmfao BUT THE TEAM THAT WON WAS A PLAY IN TEAM!!

[u/mharri05]

If that's your take then you should agree that trading for our picks back was idiotic.

[u/Otaku_Instinct → u/mharri05]

Those phoenix picks will be late lottery or better, especially if Giannis is traded to the West. Either tanking doesn't matter and the Houston trade was stupid, or it does matter and the front office fumbled the season.

[u/kf3434 → u/mharri05]

I didn't care whether we had our picks or not. Picks are just a vehicle to get real life nba talent. One way or the other

[u/mharri05 → u/kf3434]

Those phoenix picks could've gotten us a crap lead of talent.

[u/wep]

Yes luck is a factor. But when you don’t trully maximize your odds you aren’t really helping yourself either. Every single team below us has a pick better than 8th, that’s is all

[u/kf3434 → u/wep]

lol luck is the factor. Atlanta last year. Dallas now. Tanking is not the way

[u/just_so_irrelevant]

the pacers haven't had a top 5 pick in like 30 years and look where they are now. there's more to a rebuild than just tanking and getting high picks. Smart trades, high-value free agency acquisitions, and developing a strong coaching scheme and identity are just as important. It sucks seeing us only pick 8th but people who act like our rebuild has been ruined are prisoners of the moment.

[u/kf3434 → u/just_so_irrelevant]

I can't believe I'm saying this but look at the Knicks lol. The idea that you cannot win without multiple top picks developing is insane. And even look at those teams it's always someone else who makes the difference. Celtics don't win without KP

[u/Swoah]

Can’t wait for the same three teams to be at the bottom of the league next year because they got skipped over for the top flight talent that could’ve helped get them out of the doldrums.

[u/rc2005 → u/Swoah]

And Boston will win the lottery because Tatum is injured.

[u/Ok-Island-2108]

huh? if anything the results should be a lesson that tanking does work if you go all in on it and not flip flop throughout the season. That 20% chance at the getting pick 8 was the second likeliest outcome that the FO signed up for and the teams who went all in on tanking were locked out at getting the 8th pick or worst. This was the kind of draft where top 5 could be something to be satisfied with yet there was no urgency to optimize odds. It's simple minded to look at the Mavs and say that tanking doesn't work because it's always been about minimizing the WORST possible outcome of the lottery. Wizards did a master class at tanking and while i'm sure they're disappointed in not getting #1, picking 8 was never even on their mind.

[u/Expulsure]

I mean I get your point but all those teams still got a better pick than us lol

[u/kf3434 → u/Expulsure]

Who got cooper Flagg? Was it a team worse than us?

[u/tkykgkyktkkt]

It’s about probabilities, an NBA tram can’t control the results of the lottery but they can increase their odds. Also who says those teams you mentioned didn’t win? They still have a high pick? What you think there’s no difference on average between the 5th pick and the 13th pick?

[u/kf3434 → u/tkykgkyktkkt]

Washington and Utah dropped 4 spots each. Do you really think that even with a higher pick those teams are in a better position than the Nets?