r/e39 • • Sep 10 '19

Rules Update

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Please note everyone that the rules for r/e39 have been updated. I have clarified a few things related to discussion topics and acceptable conduct.

Most importantly I have added a section on listing For Sale style posts. [Some] other car subs allow this so I thought we could try it out. E39 fandom is a more closely knit group than other BMW subcultures and could stand to benefit from a dedicated venue for cars/parts/effort trading.

I want to be clear if this isn't a popular option, or if FS posts become routinely adversarial, we can adjust the rules on these posts or eliminate them entirely.

I welcome any comments on this change and the sub rules in general, and will continue to poll our community for changes or ideas on a regular basis.


r/e39 • • Aug 21 '20

E39 Buying Guide - Updated

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Hey guys! I figured I'd sticky this. I'll update the post if y'all have anything good to add or critique, let me know.

Introduction

Looking to buy an E39? First things first – the reputation of these cars is partially deserved and partially not.

We frequently get asked if new car owners should purchase an E39. I love E39s more than nearly anyone I know - I have a 525i and an M5, and both are incredible for different reasons. I've done many of the DIYs and addressed many of the problem areas listed here. If you aren't in a financially comfortable enough situation to have 3-6 months of expenses in a savings account at all times, you're not in a position to own a 20-year-old BMW hassle free. It's a question of financial safety and consistency rather than attainability - buying a $4k 530i and maintaining it for 5 years or so is arguably a much better deal than going into debt for a $40,000 CUV that drives like shit.

Evaluating a Car

There are a couple of things to factor into your evaluation of a car before we even talk about problem areas:

  • Badge hunters and people who bought an E39 after realizing they were nearly the same price as a Camry in general do a poor job of maintaining their vehicle. Problems add up when you factor in the fact that many of the E39’s systems were complex for their time. Not doing oil changes at the correct interval can lead to a gummed-up DISA valve or require a replacement manifold (for instance). Paying a little extra for a well-maintained example can pay dividends down the road.
  • These cars are old. Most are going to be 20 years old or more. This means that various bits of plastic and rubber are going to degrade and fall apart. Some are aesthetic, some are functional. You’ll find the same problem in ANY car of this age, but there’s no escaping that the E39’s engine bay is also a less forgiving environment then other cars of this age.
  • In general, you should focus much more on service records and the condition of the car over mileage.

Prices & Purchasing

Market prices for these cars have fluctuated over the past couple years. There’s a noticeable difference between pre (<=2000) and post-facelift (2001+) models. Later models also may make adding an auxiliary port easier, have upgraded components, or have more standard features. Also keep in mind that sport packages for the 530 and 540, along with manual transmissions, command a significant premium as well. Prices on sports (530 or 540) and M5s have increased a bit since this guide was originally written a couple years ago. Finally, it's worth knowing that the 540's engine in pre-2000 configurations is slightly more reliable as it does not include VANOs.

Ballpark prices are based on a mix of my estimation and Classic.com, a great reference for car markets. Links included below, and assume cars aren't total shit shows:

  • 525i - $2000-$5000 (Note that the linked prices are for tourings, primarily, and so are higher)
  • 530i - $3000-$11k
  • 540i - $7000-$14k
  • M5 - $15k-$35k and beyond

When you check out ANY used car for purchase, you should be checking a variety of different things. Use a generalist guide to start. We’ll go through common failure points for the chassis and individual models for you to pay special attention to. Parts prices are for OEM or OE if I can find them, not genuine. Indy shop is a wild guess for the most part. Prices for doors or wheels are PER ITEM.

Conservatively plan to spend about $1k a year ON AVERAGE if you do a mix of shop work and DIY. Many years you'll get lucky and get to invest in an upgrade or something preventative if you wish. If you can find an example with new control arm bushings, window regulators, and Timing Chain Guides for 540s, you can save yourself a ton of heartache and just deal with replacing BS plastic parts as they snap.

General Problem Areas

Problem Area Cause Symptoms DIY (Parts) Indie Shop
Window Regulators Garbage BMW Design Windows that do not roll up or down, or slip. Test all 4 windows, including both the localized controls for each door and the driver’s door controls $100, 2 hours. Text DIY Youtube DIY $500
Vapor Barriers Butyl tape that adheres the sound deadening/vapor barrier foam degrades over time, requiring at least the reapplication of the tape OR new adhesive OR a whole new door panel. Soaked rear floorboards after rain. Softness in bottom of door panels. Test by pouring water on the roof of the car. After a moment, open the door. Ensure water drips from the bottom of the chassis, not from the door. $0-$15-$115, 2 hours. $500
Rust There's a couple very poor drainage points on the E39, including those connected to vapor barriers as above Common spots include rear door, bumper seam, gas cap. Check out /u/richbltn 's buying guide Here for common rust spots (whole video is worth a watch) Repairing rust is an odious task, especially externally visible spots. reputable body shops generally cost $1500 + to fix a collection of rust spots
Front Control Arm Bushings Rubber joints between suspension components degrade over time. These are the secret to a simultaneously pliable and firm chassis. Consider with Polyurethane for a stiffer ride but permanent fix, or a monoball setup. Violent shuddering during braking (generally 70% braking force). Test with a variety of braking amounts and speeds. Check the bushings by jacking up the car and ensure they aren’t cracked $25, 6 hours. May require special tools or replacement of control arms if damaged. $600
VANOS Tiny seals in BMW’s variable valve timing system (probably too overengineered) are made of cheap rubber that plasticizes with exposure to oil and heat, something that happens every day. Excessive oil consumption, laggy shifting in automatic models, whooshing sound from the engine, sudden drops in power delivery. $25-$500, 12 hours Do NOT use OEM VANOS seals, as they will eventually have the same problem. Aftermarket seals are the same price and far superior. Besian Systems/DR VANOS. $1200-$5500 (Depends on new vs rebuilt VANOS, and varies from model to model)
Valve Cover Gasket The rubber between the top and bottom of the valve cover is a part that has to be replaced on every car. An old VCG will start leaking oil slowly. You may smell it as it burns off inside the car. Eventually you’ll have a catastrophic failure and need to degrease the engine bay and have it towed somewhere. Test by checking for oil spots or moisture between the top and bottom of the valve cover (the main part of the engine). $50, 5 hours. $750-$1250 (DO THIS THE SAME TIME AS A VANOS REPLACEMENT)
Seat Twist Garbage BMW design. The seats use 2 motors that don’t stay aligned, and cables that slowly slip out of the gears that drive them. One side of a seat will adjust, the other will not, leading to the seat twisting. $0, 3 hours $300
Headlight Adjusters Bad design and extremely brittle plastic in a hot area that's been there for 20 years. Frequently this manifests itself by your headlights pointing at the ground. $20-60, 3 hours from this DIY. You can get aluminum or plastic adjuster replacements. N/A - you'd buy new headlights for around $300+
Dead Pixels Contacts for the LCDs on the instrument cluster and the head unit eventually decay. You can take them apart and clean/rebuild them or buy new. For my money I'd just replace the head unit at least Unreadable displays with clearly missing pixels - you can't miss this one and it's very common $0, a huge PITA, DIY. Specialty shops will do it for $150 or so. A remanufactured cluster is $450.
Secondary Air System The secondary air recirculates exhaust gases back into the engine to “Save the planet” and also annoy the fuck out of BMW owners. Broken vacuum tubes, stuck check valve, or ruined solenoids can all cause these issues. Check engine light with lean fuel mixture fault codes. Chugging during startup. $25-125, god knows how long. BAVAuto has an EXCELLENT tutorial on diagnosing SAS problems. Another option that I'd probably only suggest to M5 owners is using a tune that deletes these codes. $300+
Cooling System This covers a host of issues: Water Pump Failure, Cracked Radiator necks, Plasticized and worn coolant tubes Inspect all cooling system parts. Check the radiator fan to ensure that it turns smoothly and isn’t too brittle. Lightly squeeze coolant tubes to ensure they’re still pliable. Check for evidence of coolant leaks at tube and component points, or from bleeder valves at the top of the radiator. Ensure that even under stress, engine sounds don’t change and temperature doesn’t rise (within reason) $25-$750. 2-5 hours. $1250+
Fucking Horrible Audio Everything about the E39 sound system is god awful If it’s OEM it sucks There are various aftermarket nav systems that still provide an OEM look and a ton of functionality for around $700. Or you can go your own way and buy a $100 head unit or something. Keep in mind that in general this will degrade the value of your car if it’s really clean. $?
ABS System Malfunctions The ABS system’s position in i6 models is extremely hot, leading to the soldering of certain electronic components degrading. ABS, Traction control, and yellow brake light come on intermittently. ABS engine codes. Do not pay someone to replace this, it literally just takes a T20 screwdriver. $100 reconditioned, $1000 new. $1200
Power Steering Leaks The power steering system uses rubber hoses right next to a really hot engine Power Steering hoses appear to “Glisten”. Wet spot in plastic pan at the bottom of the engine bay. Loose or unresponsive steering wheel response. $200, 2 hours. $500

V8 Only Problems (540i, M5)

Problem Area Cause Symptoms DIY (Parts) Indie Shop
Timing Chain Guides Timing chain gets a little loose, Timing chain guides are plastic. This is much more common on the 540 for some weird reason (probably that it's a single-row chain). Slapping sound, camshaft position codes, metal shavings in engine. $1000, 20 hours $4000

Buying Parts

When you're looking to buy new parts, it can get a bit confusing (to put it lightly). For an accurate, if slightly biased, interpretation, the best info is probably here at FCP Euro (a generally reputable parts seller). TL;DR:

  • Genuine: Made by BMW or an OE, with the BMW logo. Waste of money.
  • OE: Made by a licensed manufacturer and was the original supplier that came with the stock car. Cannot have the BMW logo. Generally a safe choice.
  • OEM: Made by another licensed manufacturer of OE parts but was not the original supplier for this specific part that came with the stock car. Cannot have the BMW logo. Sometimes a safer choice (OEM window regulators are superior to OE), other times not (an OEM's parts may not be as good as OE)
  • Reps: Made by another unauthorized manufacturer.

OEM is very similar to OE in that it stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer. While that sounds like a lesson in semantics, there are some distinct differences. Chiefly, OEM parts are made by a company that makes original parts for a vehicle maker but whose parts weren’t originally fitted. Confused? I don’t blame you, so here’s an example: Delphi makes ignition coils for BMW, and they’re installed on the vehicles at the factory. Bosch makes spark plugs for BMW and the licensing to produce the same ignition coils as Delphi. They’re the same part with the same specifications and made with the same materials, but the manufacturer is different. Delphi is the OE part because that’s what BMW used at the factory, and Bosch is OEM because they make other OE parts for BMW.

Modifications and Upgrades

For better or for worse, the BMW community has enjoyed a rich modification culture and ecosystem. This often clashes with the tastes and opinions of older enthusiasts who have or can buy cars new.

One key takeaway: Tuning an i6 from this era, especially anything under 3.0 liters, is always far more expensive than buying a new car or engine. This forum gets questions around these options regularly. To do this, you will have to be in a rare position of having a lot of money and time to work on the car, without wanting the straightforward power of the V8 engines in the 540 or M5.

Some general thoughts around available upgrade options to keep in mind:

  • Reliability: Many low-tier, components have been replaced with high-priced offerings in the aftermarket that are Buy-It-For-Life. Plastic becomes aluminum, bearings and rubber use superior materials. Examples include radiators, expansion tanks, power steering reservoirs, suspension bushings, and much more.
  • Shocks, Suspension, Spacers: These are widely available from reputable manufacturers, such as Bilstien.
  • Turbos: Turbos exist for both types of engines, ranging from AliExpress specials to reputable manufacturers. For reputable manufacturers, part prices and labor generally trade poorly with supercharger options.
  • Superchargers: Supercharger kits exist for i6 and v8 engines. Many of the superchargers for the v8 engines lead to high-quality horsepower gains and are available from reputable manufacturers. Superchargers are typically incompatible with radiator upgrades.
  • Headlights: Virtually no aftermarket headlight companies produce quality parts. Historically, this was not the case, but the market has essentially bifurcated into people who want the cheapest possible replacement and those who want OE headlights from Hella. Hella occasionally does dedicated production runs for E39 headlights which are resold by https://europowermotorsports.com/
  • Exhaust: Controversial opinion alert - The mufflers on these cars are too aggressive at reducing sound. A delete with high-quality tips actually leads to excellent sound from both i6 and v8 powerplants. Leaving the cat intact keeps things quiet enough to not be unbelievably rude. Fantastic options exist for V8 engines, but paying for an exhaust system on an i6 is not a high value proposition.

r/e39 • • 4h ago

BMW Roof box

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I love my roof box but gosh dang it makes my car get shitty mpg. Recently took a 1200 miles road trip and it averaged 20 mpg.

525i touring converted to 530i touring!


r/e39 • • 13h ago

Welp here we are :,)

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Hydroplaned going around a corner at 30 MPH. Spun; thenWent straight into a ditch. Luckily no one was hurt. The old girl took the hit like a champ.

Time to fix up the dents and weld in a new sill.

Any ideas of what’s the best way to repair the dents on the roof?
Stay safe out here ! :)


r/e39 • • 9h ago

BC button stopped working on your E39?

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Just wanted to post a quick tip for anyone dealing with a dead BC button on their E39.

It’s super common for the wiring inside the turn signal stalk to break over time. Don’t waste money buying a whole new stalk you can just disassemble it and solder the broken wires back together!

Check YouTube for a quick tutorial if you need a visual guide on getting into the stalk. Hope this saves someone a few bucks!


r/e39 • • 3h ago

M-Sport bumper

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Cracked the genuine M sport front bumper on my e39. Would buy OEM but it’s NLA where I live.
Does anybody have pictures of the Uminitza or any other aftermarket front bumpers on their car? I would hate to have bad fitment.


r/e39 • • 1d ago

First E39

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540i/6, needs quite a bit but couldn’t be more excited.


r/e39 • • 1d ago

A few interior shots of the M5 Touring

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The interior options for the M5 were truly incredible. I hunted down all of the following parts, most of which took a while to acquire:
-extended leather dash
-extended leather lower dash and glovebox
-individual anthracite birch wood trim (refinished with all new clear coat)
-new M5 door sills
-silverstone M5 seats
-silverstone rear M5 seats (all OEM leather, custom fit to touring foam)
-silverstone extender leather door cards
-extended leather center console (looking for a cleaner one currently)
-alcantara headliner
-black interior euro trim
-black seatbelts (not yet installed)

I have an anthracite birch shift knob but it doesn’t have the illuminated M5 6 speed logo on it, instead it says 5 speed. Looking for someone to replace that on the anthracite knob if anyone knows someone*


r/e39 • • 15h ago

Do I just buy a real M5 bumper?

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So I’m in the process of fixing my hood and driver side after hitting a deer, and k thought about painting the M5 bumper that came with the car. Of course it’s not a real one, but idk if I should bother doing all the work to prep and paint it or just drop a grand on a real one. I’ve seen lots of back and forward about “it doesn’t look bad” and “just buy a real one” but I feel like dropping $1100 on a front bumper is unjustifiable for me lol


r/e39 • • 1d ago

One Year

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One year down with my daily driven 2000 540iT, and boy have I learned a lot! I made the switch from a 2018 WRX that I bought new and had paid off to this, because I wanted a V8, a wagon, something with character, and to own another one of the cars that teenage me lusted after. I bought it sight unseen over the phone from a sketchy dealership in NorCal. I had a reputable shop local to the dealership do a PPI and the list of stuff they missed is longer than the list of things they found. It was delivered to me on a car carrier, with a dead battery and a massive, undisclosed coolant leak from a crack at the neck of the top radiator hose. And I was off to the races with a car I had zero familiarity with. I've done a lot of work on this car in the last year. I also swore a lot, questioned all of my decisions, wrote a couple for sale ads I never posted, put some miles on it, made some great memories, and fell in love with this demanding piece of German engineering. I've done all the work myself (except mounting the tires), so there's been plenty of trial and error and a lot of learning. It's getting easier as it goes. I still have some big items to tackle. But I think she's here to stay.


r/e39 • • 10h ago

Sudden white smoke

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Hi everyone, I have a 1996 BMW E39 520i with the M52B20 engine.

Today, after two short 5-minute drives with a stop in between, I noticed white smoke coming from the exhaust. The car had also been running a bit rough at idle earlier.
First time it does this.

Cooked engine?


r/e39 • • 7h ago

Can all the cable be replaced on the e39 seat motor . I have a broken cable on the motor that control the lean back and forward . The cables goes to a gear assembly that is mounted on the back portion of the seat at the bottom . It seems like it's a part of that assembly and it's a bitch to get to .

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r/e39 • • 1d ago

The touring doesn’t feel so big anymore in a good way

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For those that drive a touring alone it sometimes feels like a waste if I’m not loading stuff in it, which I do every once in awhile, but I love driving manual and this is the only manual I have. I am also noticing almost every other newer car is bigger , like this F10 for example looks huge next to the e39.


r/e39 • • 10h ago

How hard would this be to do on my own(never worked on a car before) or should I just pay the 1000

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r/e39 • • 1d ago

Hi , anybody know where I can find new lens for early headlights?

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r/e39 • • 17h ago

Debating on getting an 530i or 540i

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I mean the m54b30 is great and all, but is the M64b44 a better sounding engine? Also can I get an 530i with 6 gear manual or is it something i would have to assemble myself? Cause I've read the 540i come stock sith the 6 gear manual. Which is great to have when driving for longer distances


r/e39 • • 1d ago

Bavarian ⚙️

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r/e39 • • 1d ago

Eonon brackets

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Hi chat, I bought a Eonon from Facebook without brackets, any idea where I can get some from or what I can use as a bracket? I looked on the website and didn’t see any


r/e39 • • 1d ago

What is this?

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I have this car for almost 2 years but only a few times have I seen this module that’s glued to a 20cm strip and stuck in the windshield.
- and then I forget about it. It emits a green light.
I’m tall so I never see it unless I clean the car.


r/e39 • • 1d ago

Rear tow cap 3d

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Anyone got a 3d print file for the rear number tow hook cover? Facelift touring model


r/e39 • • 1d ago

Trifecta

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Hi everyone - looking for some advice. 2003 E39 would throw the ABS, DSC, and brake warning lights after 20-30 minutes running from cold. This would be intermittent and occasionally go away.

Had the ABS module repaired, but the exactly same issues remain. The repair shop did note that there was no communication to unit when they received it, fixed the solder inside the unit, and confirmed they could communicate with the unit when they sent jt back.

Anyone experience this before and any tips? Thanks!

Edit: codes after repair are the same, P0600/P1747/P1720


r/e39 • • 2d ago

Is it worth it

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Here is the additional Information about this e39 (I want an opinion if its worth buyng it)

​Engine M52B25 on paper (vehicle registration), with a single VANOS. The engine block has not been replaced; it is currently 3.0 liters. The engine has been completely rebuilt with new bearings, piston rings, oil seals, and a rebuilt cylinder head. M50B25 intake manifold, intake camshaft from an M54B30, M54B30 fuel injectors, and a chipped ECU with the rev limiter set at 7,100 RPM. Equipped with LPG injection. Brand new adjustable coilovers. 18-inch Ronal wheels with 235 tires. Type 188 differential casing from an E36, custom-built with 4 clutch discs on each side. It locks up and slides brilliantly. Front and rear suspension are rock solid. The car was painted 2 months ago in Montreal Blue. The climate control works. Everything is paid for, vignette valid until February, and the technical inspection is valid for another year. The person that is selling it says that he bought an E39 540.


r/e39 • • 2d ago

Update: What is wrong with my E39?

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Original post:
What is wrong with my E39?

Yep. Thank you Reddit. Quite a number of responses were correct. It made me realise that it might be worth documenting the entire work of rejuvenating and upgrading the car henceforth, rather than just fixing each problem and moving on.

As a result, I have put together a video showing how this particular issue played out. If you are interested in seeing the outcome, it is available now on YouTube.

PS: I also credited all the responders whose advice helped move the diagnosis forward in the ending credits as part of the internet garage crew.

There’s still a long way to go with the car so might be needing more advice soon.


r/e39 • • 3d ago

3-year long M5 Touring build finally complete

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r/e39 • • 2d ago

Seeking advice: Installing Eonon head unit into a 98' 540i

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I have a Eonon head unit that I'm installing into my 1998 540i. When plugging into the car's wiring harness I'm not able to get power. However, we tried the same unit in my friends 2003 540i as a troubleshooting step, and it powered up no problem.

I'm guessing the stock harness is slightly different but contains the same plug. Have anyone had experience with this and might know why the unit wouldn't be powering up?

Thank you,