r/work • • Jul 18 '26

I've moderated this sub for six years and never introduced myself. Doing that now.

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I've been the top moderator here since 2020, and r/work itself has been going since 2008, which is longer than most of us have held any of the jobs we complain about šŸ˜†

For most of that time I stayed out of the way. The sub mostly ran itself. I've been too hands-off this year and a few things got away from me, so I'm going to be around more. It seemed right to say about what's going on.

What changed this week

  • The mod team is smaller. Earlier this year I gave full permissions to someone I hadn't worked with, which I shouldn't have done, and I've reversed it. Anyone who joins the team from here goes through an application and starts with limited access.

  • I rewrote the AutoModerator rules. The old ones were removing posts from new accounts, which meant a lot of people tried to post and then left. Those go to a queue now and a human looks at them. If you posted here in the last couple of months and it vanished, that's probably what happened, and I'm sorry. In the short term, that queue might take time. But as we grow the mod team we'll be on top of it (more on that below).

  • There's a Friday vent thread starting this week, for whatever happened at work that you need to put somewhere. If it goes well I'll add a Monday check-in for the smaller stuff that doesn't need its own post.

I'm looking for two or three more moderators

Applications are open in the sidebar. I'd rather have people who already read and post here than people who moderate a lot of other subs. You don't need experience. You need to be around regularly, be nice to people who are having a bad day, and want to help this be a better place for everyone.

That's it. What would make this a better place to spend time?


r/work • • 4d ago

Friday Vent Thread — what happened at work this week?

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Some weeks you just need to put it somewhere, so put it here. The bad meeting, the manager, the policy that makes no sense, the thing your coworker said on Tuesday that you're still thinking about. Big or small, it all counts.

Two things to keep this useful. No real names of people or companies. And go easy on each other in the replies. Not everyone wants advice, so if you do want it, say so and you'll get it.

So how was your week?


r/work • • 14h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts What should I do if I CAN'T train my own replacement but they're holding my severance hostage?

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Getting laid off at the end of the year, they're doing the whole "let's outsource everyone for cheap!" thing.

Anyways, the guy they want me to train does not speak english. Not well enough for me to understand on a Teams call anyways.

I'm just being real here, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.

He asks questions that I can barely understand and are also not at all relevant to my job...he doesn't understand WHAT I do, even when I explain it.

...also what I do is NOT really something I can train someone on. It's a design job. You gotta be a good designer. I'm not sure this guy has ever even opened Photoshop before.

So what the heck do I do? They're holding a severance package and unemployment benefits hostage so I do this training but uh...this guy is kind of untrainable.

Any advice?

Should I just kind of fake it best I can? In my entire tenure at this company I've never had a negative performance review, I've never had so much as a warning. They still need me for what I do for this job, etc...but uh...training my own replacement was never in my job description, it's not something I'm good at.


r/work • • 16h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts 27 F I’ve been sexually harassed at almost every job I’ve ever had.

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I’m so sick of it.

When I was 19, my drink was spiked with psilocybin, while at a work event by my 30+ yo manager.

When I was working for the NPS as a park ranger, I’d constantly get comments by affiliates about how ā€œI need an orgasmā€ or how ā€œI walk like I need to get fucked.ā€

I slept w a fellow park ranger coworker of mine (who I thought was a friend) and he beat me so bad, I had bruises all over my face and body.

Now, I work as a front desk manager at a massage place, and all of my older male coworkers are creepy. I got drinks with one of them after work, and he told me he was attracted to me, that he had a CNC kink, that he’s SA’d multiple times before, that he stealthed his wife. After telling him, I’ve been on the receiving end of this stuff, he just told me how hard it is to get false allegations (he has two).

I feel like all day, everyday, I’m scared someone is going to say something inappropriate to me and it’s going to embarrass me.

I can’t beleive how common workplace sexual harassment is. Maybe it’s because I’m a young women in public facing jobs?!

Idk, does anyone have any advice? There’s no HR at this current position and no board, so I think I might just quit. It just sucks bc my mom works here and I don’t want to hurt her reputation or tell her what’s going on


r/work • • 10h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Manager gave me a warning because I'm not early enough to my shifts, but told me I'm not allowed to clock in early?

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I work at a chain barbershop, I've worked for this chain before, but I moved recently and this is my first time at this location. I realized pretty quickly that the girls who work here are cliquey, and the manager is best friends with one of my coworkers and they are both close with the assistant manager. There's only 5 women that work here total, including me. They seemed very lax about everything compared to other locations. I'm about 10 years younger than all of them, so I was a little intimidated but they have all been friendly for the most part. After my first couple weeks, my manager asked me to be 10 minutes early to my shifts. This isn't that odd, and is common for a lot of these chain stores because they want you to clock in and clean before starting to cut hair. Our store is not very busy, and it's really common for me to come in and there be no one waiting for a cut. It's also pretty common for my manager to text me telling me we're not busy, and tell me to come in a couple hours later. I also never have to take down my station, so I'm pretty much always ready to cut. I had been coming in for my shifts 7-8 minutes early, which gave me enough time to get ready to cut before my actual start time. She reminded me again that I needed to be 10 minutes early, and I was coming in too late. I recognized I had trouble with time management, and was adjusting to new city traffic, and I told her I'd make it a priority. I had a shift where I was scheduled for noon, and I walked in the doors at 11:52, and she handed me a paper that was a warning, basically a step before a write up, and told me I needed to be at least 10 to 15 minutes early before my shift. I said okay, and started busting my ass to be in the parking lot 20 mins before my shift started. I didn’t get written up. Yesterday I was scheduled at noon, but my manager asked if I could come in at 2 instead because we were slow. My assistant manager (who came in 2 hours early to her shift yesterday and clocked in) approached me and told me to watch my hours, because it’s important I don’t dip below 32 hours. Today I was scheduled at 2, and I was running errands all morning and had time so I came in at about 1:10. I go to the back, get my smock on and everything, look over my station, and my manager says ā€œI can’t let you clock in until 1:45.ā€ I say ā€œOkay… that’s fine, I guess I didn’t realize I couldn’t clock in early. I was just trying to cover my bases because the AM told me to watch my hours.ā€ She says that makes sense, but I need to communicate with her if I’m coming in early from now on. I’ve never worked a job where it’s an issue coming in early. Can she really not let me clock in or did she just not want me to? I don’t know. I feel my manger is being difficult, but am I the problem ?


r/work • • 5h ago

Job Search and Career Advancement Would you give up remote flexibility for higher compensation, or take less money for a higher title and more flexibility?

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Option A: Lower title, higher compensation

-Slightly higher base salary
-Same annual bonus percentage as Option B, plus additional allowances and incentives
-Overall compensation package is roughly $10K higher annually when additional allowances are included
-There is also a substantial employee benefit that could significantly reduce one of my largest reoccurring expenses (not included in the comp difference above as this would be a savings and not necessarily income)
-Established role with clearly defined responsibilities
-Fully in office, 5 days a week
-More hands-on role, directly overseeing day-to-day execution and performance. Will have direct reports.
-Commute (approximately 45 minutes), but would likely just move closer to work for convenience. However, that could mean changing my children’s school and childcare arrangements.

Option B: Higher title, more flexibility

-Slightly lower base salary
-Same annual bonus percentage, but fewer additional financial incentives
-Primarily remote with approximately 25% travel, including overnight trips
-Newly created role, with the opportunity to help build out a department, establish processes, etc.
-Responsibilities and reporting structures are still evolving
-More strategic, organization-wide role focused on developing processes, shaping strategy, and driving broader initiatives. Will have direct reports.
-More flexibility to maintain my current childcare and school arrangements for the kids and remain on the side of town closest to family.

Additional context: I’m already planning to move (locally) regardless of which position I accept, as we’ve outgrown our current place and need more space. So it’s really a matter of which opportunity I choose that will influence which side of town we end up on.

I’m genuinely torn because both offer things I value, just in very different ways.


r/work • • 1m left

Other / International HELPPP

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Ano mas maganda for work po Ipad or Xiaomi pad


r/work • • 1d ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Boss screamed me at coz i was 1 hr late (unavoidable) but conveniently forgot I worked the weekend

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27F I work in a small startup where the ceo is my direct superior. Now to give you some context, one of clients visited on Sunday and we had to work on that day. This boss always expects us to stay beyond our working hours on Saturdays (I work Monday - Saturday). Now that being said today my vehicle broke down and I was forced to get it fix even though its nearly the end of month and I don't have any money left. As i have worked for 10 days straight I thought of calling out sick or take a leave. I decided against it and decided to come to work since i had an important meeting later in the day. When I entered the office, the ceo is already angry and screaming at other people and when he sees me coming in, humiliates me even though i told him the reason for me being late. And then he loudly, in front of everybody asked me to take leave and go. This isn't the first time something of this sort has happened and I am seriously thinking of quitting. This is definitely the straw that broke the camel's back but the best friend advises against it. Idk how i should do.


r/work • • 7h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Moving up in career

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Since when has it become appropriate to make comments about coworkers to their face and in front of groups of people out of jealousy? I have been working at a company for 2 months I’m 23 and getting my masters, part of my masters requires me to obtain 2000 hours of supervision, I’m being moved up to a higher position which will give me my own desk, a raise, and a mini caseload (I work in a clinic). My peers have made comments about me ā€œsitting in the office doing nothingā€ while they work with the kids. Out of my 40hours a week only like 5 of them are me doing ā€œnothingā€. It gets frustrating because I’m doing all the stuff their supervisors do as I’m learning to be in their position but for some reason it’s causing people to make comments and say I don’t do hard work. With my new position I’ll be only 20 hours direct w clients and the other 20 will be doing other work. I will be a supervisor for my now peers. I’m not sure I’ll be taken seriously and I think people are only going to be worse to me once this gets announced. I am so excited but I’m worried of being questioned and my bosses told me the hardest part is going to be from going from a peer to a supervisor. I’m so proud of myself. I work so hard and show so much passion for my job so I have every right for this position it just sucks when I feel like everyone’s annoyed by it.

Also yes I choose not to respond to their comments because if you want to be on my position feel free to go above and beyond like I do. Or you can go to school for it. Half the people working there are graduated w a different degree, didn’t go to college, or going to be going to school for something else. This is my career path. They made these comments multiple times in front of my boss and she rolls her eyes because it’s so stupid.

Anyways I’d love any advice on being able to appropriately communicate w peers. Explain why I’m implementing things. Not feel pressured when questioned. Just any advice!!


r/work • • 3h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Asking co-worker about argument after butting in?

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So I was on a call with our group, and one of my peers starts going off with the same line about another going over their head, repeatedly. After the fourth time I finally say something as I am just tired of it and want the meeting to move on, and call them out as they are talking about a peer, in title, and loses in seniority. Meeting moves on, after the meeting I contact the other peer that was being referred privately to ask what that was all about and get some info on what happened. I am stating to my wife that the only reason I did that was because of the meeting running its course and she believes I was defending that female peer during the exchange. Should I have not contacted the this person after? What would you do? Thanks for any insight!

Specifically, does this account for the private message afterwards? You don't DM someone later to ask what's going on with a colleague if your only concern was the agenda is my wife's arguement.


r/work • • 11h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Someone I know and don’t get along with is joining my work team

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Hi
I was very close friends with this guy before finding out that he was a POS and was backbitching about my and my friends, slutshamming and a lot more. He was obsessed and was in love with a friend one sided who did not reciprocate and he talked a lot of shit about her. He came across as a caring and a nice guy but I found out a lot of this and we fought.
We used to live in the same place (3 of us friends) and he moved out after we confronted him and fought. He started dating someone and is now engaged to her. The person he is engaged to is now going to join my team. I know he has bitched about us to her, and I am going to be very uncomfortable now in any team conversations. I’ll always be on the edge and struggle. Tbh I really enjoy my team and conversations and I am scared. She is joining as an intern and I am supposed to onboard her. I am very annoyed at that fact. What should I do


r/work • • 8h ago

Work-Life Balance and Stress Management Depresión corporativa

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Estoy cansada de la cultura laboral de mi empresa me da miedo que moverme signifique meterme en otro hoyo de inmadurez profesional y liderazgo debilitado
Me molesta la idea de que a donde mira abajo o arriba (pensando jerÔrquicamente) solo siento estrés y frustración, no digo que yo se hacer todo bien pero no siento motivación en lo absoluto ni tiempo libre lo uso para desestresarme de las fastidiosas horas laborales y pocas veces siento ganas de hacer algo mejor, me convertí en parte del problema pero quiero usar esta molestia y lucidez para no quedarme donde estoy y salir de mi zona de confort (que ni tan confortable es)
Busco sus consejos o incluso en que empresas o que debo de buscar para saber que al menos hay un mindset diferente
No busco sacar a la empresa yo misma busco que la empresa y yo crezcamos y eso haga que al menos no salga llorando cada junta por la frustración e impotencia de no poder mejorar nada por qué es ir contracorriente
Incluso si me dicen que nunca cambiarĆ” al menos me den sus ideas de tolerarlo
Como contexto soy parte de una empresa que antes era familia h ya se abrió a inversionistas lo que hace mÔs del culo todo esto (en el Ôrea de TI)


r/work • • 10h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Store's co-manager constantly undermining me, only me, and only when I'm not there.

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Wasn't sure on the correct flair or what subreddit to post this on, but something has been happening at work that I need advice on. I'm so sorry if I'm rambly and all over the place, but I'm just trying to get any context/backstory that might help everyone see what's going on.

I work in a grocery store meat department. Have been there over ten years total. I was a clerk, cutter, assistant manager, and now as of a few weeks ago, a meat department manager. Three quarters of my time there has been mostly fine.

The past two years was rough. I made assistant a couple years ago, and had a few lazy department managers right in a row. They were all older guys that have been in the company meat departments a long time, and I couldn't get anyone, even the district manager, to take my side on how much work they were leaving me. The most recent one walked out after I called him out on leaving literally all the cutting and truck for me.

During this time, a girl who used to work in that meat department (and was the one who actually first trained me), stepped up to store co-manager about two years ago. And every concern I brought up to her was kinda shrugged off as "well, you know these old guys", and she would go back and buddy up with them but go hard on me for not having things done. She would also tell our clerk/cutter to do completely different things than what I would ask him. He is someone that she's friends with outside of work, too.

I brought these concerns up to the past two store managers, both just told me to not worry about it and I was doing good.

After the most recent meat manager walked out, there was a four month period where they weren't posting the job for some reason, and my cutter and I were both working overtime. Everything between those two calmed down, and the job was tiring and stressful, but somehow easier at the same time.

Our newest store manager just got there about a month ago, I put in for meat manager when he finally posted it, and I got it within a week. My cutter stepped up to be my assistant. Now, only when I'm not there, is the co-manager is back to coming back and ordering things that dont sell and telling my assistant to do completely different things than what I'm asking (I can provide lots of examples, like me asking him to prep sales items, but after I leave she takes him out of the department to work in other departments with her). She's taking pictures of a few things I missed and sending it to my district meat specialist without confronting/asking me to fix it first. And she keeps having my assistant relay critiques to me, even after a day I worked with her all day and heard nothing.

The other day, before my current couple days off in a row (which I really needed to cool down), I asked every other department manager (grocery, bakery, deli, dairy), if their assistants ever come up to them and tell them that the co-manager had them do something other than what they were asked. They all said no.

So this has been basically going on like this for a couple years now. I haven't gone to our newest store manager about it yet because he's been in another district for a week, then was on vacation, but he's back in a couple days. And like I said, everyone before him has told me to just ignore it, but it's mentally wearing me down. I've never worked in any other company before that had someone do this. I've never helped in another meat department where any manager came back to undermine me when I wasnt there.

And I've asked her about it a few times. She brings a witness into the office with me, and tells me she never goes back there and does any of that.

Any advice on the next few steps?

Edit: lots of grammar errors, there's probably a lot more, I wrote this stressed and burned out


r/work • • 14h ago

Questions What do I do with my last week before I put in my two weeks notice

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I'm quitting on Monday, and when I quit they are going to ask me to do a ton of stuff to help with the transition, which I am happy to do since the company has generally treated me pretty well.

But now I'm just sitting, waiting, pretending like I'm still going to be here next month while I sit through meetings. I'm obviously not going to start working on any projects that I'm about to hand off. No point in making consequential decisions or meeting with new customers.

I'm just bored but I still have to be in office all day and look like I'm doing something. How do I handle this last week there has to be some productive way to use the time.


r/work • • 14h ago

UK Work rant

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My boss is petty, spiteful, hypocritical, constantly talks to me like shit, has never said thank you or well done for doing good work, but will call me out in front of everyone for any mistake I make, however small..and I've just found out through an ex colleague that he called me and my other colleagues useless because he "has to do everything himself" he only thinks that because he's such a micro manager! We're getting made redundant on the 31st December (and he has put me on the late shift on New Years Eve on my last day of work so I'll be on my own from 3pm!) should I start speaking to him like shit back or be the bigger person and just bide my time until I leave when I never have to speak to him again?


r/work • • 6h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts How do you stay out of workplace drama... even if the drama comes to you (like a mean coworker)

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Question in title


r/work • • 16h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Am I wrong to expect my boss to take responsibility instead of leaving everything to me?

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I work in an administrative and accounts position, and I need an unbiased opinion on something that happened at work today.
During a meeting, a salary fund deficit at our office was discussed. I explained that I had already emailed the concerned authority and followed up twice without receiving a response. The deficit wasn’t caused by any mistake on my part. My Head then told me, in front of everyone, that if the issue wasn’t resolved, I should travel to another state alone and sort it out myself.
What upset me even more was that when a similar deficit at another office was discussed, the response was that their Head should contact the concerned authority. In our case, however, I was told to go alone. The authority has also made it clear that communication should come from the senior person in our office, which is my Head.
I’m not refusing to do my job. I can prepare the data, explain the calculations and follow up on the issue. But if the matter requires intervention from a higher authority, shouldn’t my Head be responsible for escalating it?
Am I overreacting, or is it reasonable to expect my Head to take responsibility for this instead of sending me alone to resolve it?


r/work • • 6h ago

Work-Life Balance and Stress Management finally got new job but struggling. am i ungrateful?

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new to reddit so feel free to delete if not allowed. I was unemployed for 10 months after a mass lay off from my job. the job i was laid off from loved me and fought to keep me, but it was higher ups decision to lay off a whole department. this job was 95% WFH , gave 2 weeks off at xmas, half day fridays, and go into office once a month! i loved it.

after being laid off, I obv job hunted for months and lost hope. when suddenly by a miracle and connection of someone I knew, they reached out to me and created a role just for me and basically hired me on the spot in a field I always dreamt of working in! HOWEVER, i've been there only 1 month and i'm STRESSED! It's not WFH, (ok fine) and, since starting, I have flown up the ladder and now am doing things I've never dreamed and is amazing for my resume, BUT at the cost of my peace!

I'm so busy i've lost the ability to rest when I get home in the evenings because I need to finish tasks. I have no more time for community volunteering i was always part of, I am in an LDR and no longer can even seen my partner where as before at the old job, I could bring my laptop and work from his house and stay with him for a week. now i can only see him on holidays, so months at a time. I am eating badly becuase no time to eat properly, and so stressed that my head aches (never had nehadaches before) and i'm constantly out of breath with chest tightness. Idk what to do. I know how bad the job markert is so I know i NEED to hold onto a full time job.. i'm also planning a wedding and need a job to help us start the next chapter of life, but this is a lot. advice plz


r/work • • 12h ago

Questions Got emotional in a very personal traineeship interview. How do interviewers see this?

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I’m a recent graduate in the final rounds of a good traineeship where personal development and self-reflection are a big part of the program. The interview was with an HR person and a current trainee. They said at the start that it was a safe space to be open.

They kept asking ā€œwhyā€ and asked me to go ā€œa layer deeper.ā€ I said I make careful choices because I want to do things well. When they asked where that comes from, and whether my family puts pressure on me, because I mentioned them as they are important to me. I got emotional and cried. I shared personal and emotional things about my background that I haven’t even told my friends.

After that I was a bit thrown off for the rest of the interview. They still told me about the next steps, and said I could reach out if I had other offers.

Now I feel embarrassed and exposed, and I’m not sure I can face them again. Is this as bad as it feels? Does it hurt a candidate’s chances in a program like this?


r/work • • 11h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts negative team who only complain - HELP

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I work in retail and my biggest issue while working has gone from being our famously rude customers to my own team. I work in a team of 5 strong, competent women. However, we have a really whiny, complaining dynamic as a team. I find that the longest serving members of the team are really negative, and they find everything one does as an issue. Nothing is ever done right in their eyes, but also no constructive solutions are offered. We have a group chat which is mostly just negative remarks or complaints about others work - so it's really hard to turn off the work-brain despite muting the chat (because it's the same chat where I communicate with my family and friends)

Myself and the manager both are trying to spread positivity by cheering others on, offer solutions to issues instead of complaining, asking before assuming etc.

And I find this negative environment so extremely draining - so how the heck do I navigate this?


r/work • • 7h ago

USA Staying immune to positive reviews when we hate it?

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Strange post , but I have seen similar ones. I am going to my annual rating review mid November. Ā But I know what the outcome of that review is. Its either promotion or 7.1% raise( got the info thru another reliable manager). And that’s the intent of the post. I cannot quit jobs because:Ā 
my newborn is 6 months old and my paternity leave has 3 months left again.Ā 

Also I will lose my old age pension benefits if I quit before 2028 dec.

Also the job market is rough.Ā 

The promotion was long over due. Should have happened at start of 2024. It’s happening now.

I want to keep my mouth shut and not yell at them. Ideally I want them to shoot me a email with the review and close this out. Has anyone faced a problem here where getting promoted sucked and how do you remain immune when you feel its a sarcasm ? Note : I never asked for promo before and I never will. So I dont want it. Its ok if they give me some raise thru email and close it out. I dont want to attend this meeting and also dont want to offend them. Ā Any tips and advice to remain tight lipped during review is appreciated.Ā 


r/work • • 13h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts Why does keeping work at a distance make me the weird one?

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At my job, i feel that many people build a big part of their social life around work. They spend time together outside working hours, organize events, give big gifts to colleagues for life events and just share openly a lot of personal stuff.

If you don’t want to be that involved, people act like something is wrong with you. It feels badly received, as if you’re rejecting them or not being a team player…

I don’t think wanting distance between work and personal life is unreasonable. How do you set boundaries without being seen as the difficult one?


r/work • • 11h ago

Work-Life Balance and Stress Management Commuting

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Hello, my husband and I are relocating to the PNW. I got my dream job in a small town. There is a larger city about 50 minutes away that would provide us with more opportunities (weekend activities, outdoor access, fun restaurants) and better schools for my kids. I am considering doing the 45-50 minute commute from the larger city to work in the small town. There are great housing options available in the larger city. However, I worry this might get old and feel like it's cutting into my day. I do have two small children. My husband currently does drop off and pick up (very thankful for him). The director over my position seems to be very flexible and it doesn't seem like weather will be much of a hurdle. My hours would be 8 am to 4:30 pm. My current commute is about 20 minutes and I don't get off work until 5-5:15 pm. So, I don't think I would be too off the mark for what time I would be getting home. We did find a house that would require a lot of work that is 38 minutes away from my job, but the schools are not highly ranked and the community doesn't seem to be everything that we want. I am just not sure that I think a 50 minute commute is sustainable. Any thoughts? Would you be willing to do a 50 minute commute for the better fit within the community and better schools?

Edit: The commute would be about 95% highway- with minimal traffic. No stop and go traffic. The city is in south eastern Washington and I would be commuting into a small town in Oregon.


r/work • • 11h ago

Workplace Challenges and Conflicts What happens now?

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Not sure if anyone has any answers to this or has been through the same thing, but maybe a little insight? I dont know. I’m currently looking for another job but with this economy I can’t exactly quit right now and just wait for something to float along.

Long story short, the clinic I work for just lost all its nurses pretty much. We now have 7 doctors and only one nurse, one scheduler, and one insurance verification specialist. We only have an interim manager right now because our former quit 6 months ago and we haven’t hired another one besides one person managing two departments. This manager is about as present as someone’s dad going to get milk and the likelihood that we’ll have a meeting about this is slim. So now with all the nurses gone…what happens now? Has anyone in the healthcare field had this happen before?