r/ultimate • u/rioter00 • 2d ago
pick or nah?
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Fury v Brute Semis. Brute person signaled between them and the receiver. Disc sent back.
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u/JasonJ100 2d ago
There's no way she could have influenced that play, she was 20 yards from the receiver. Honestly bad call and abusing pick to redo throws.
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u/aubreysux 2d ago
The defender that was a mile away did not get picked. The one that was close to their mark did get picked. The disc should stay.
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u/Bla_aze 2d ago
A pick occurs when you can't follow a player you're guarding, and the definition of guarding is "3.D. Guarding: A defender is guarding an offensive player when they are within 10 feet of that offensive player and are reacting to that offensive player." During the obstruction, the defender is not within 10 feet of their player, so it's not a pick. It's not "technically a pick but shouldn't be called because it didn't affect the play", it's not a pick.
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u/FieldUpbeat2174 2d ago
I agree. I mean, language being what it is, some will say “pick” to mean “the extent of obstruction is such that you could call pick if you were close enough,” and then say “but that doesn’t matter because you weren’t close enough.” But that’s just semantics. Bottom line, the D who was way more than 10’ from the receiver at the time the paths crossed had no valid pick call. IMO.
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u/macdaddee 2d ago
It's unclear to me if #7 or #73 called pick. If #73 called pick then it’s clear cut. She wasn't guarding anyone, she cannot call a pick. Being more than 10ft away while reacting is not legally guarding someone.
If #7 called a pick, it's uninvolved regardless, but I don't even think it's a pick. The obstruction is caused by #73 who is not having to quickly react to an offensive player she's guarding because her assignment is 30ft away. She has all the time in the world to avoid obstructing her own teammate. Nothing anyone on the white time does creates that obstruction, so under USAU rules I don't think it's a pick because an offensive player's movement didn't cause the obstruction.
Either way, sending the disc back is incorrect.
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u/jhowlingwolf 2d ago
Even if you are being very generous and saying she was within 10 feet. Why did disc go back? There is no way she could possibly argue she had a play on a breakside throw like that.
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u/--__4815162342__-- 9h ago
Not only is it an error by calling it a pick, it's also an error in outcome, as even if this were a pick (it's not) the disc should not go back because the defender had no play on it.
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u/PaulieHehehe 2d ago
Defender in dark was in another zip code and still called that a travel? Yikes.
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u/tigermelon 2d ago
Yes pick, but disc stays where it was. Just because you heard "pick" doesn't mean you get to stop playing (in USAU)
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u/Wienot 2d ago
The picked player definitely can stop playing, but it wasn't a pick since they weren't close enough to the person they were guarding when the obstruction happened.
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u/tigermelon 2d ago
I thought the person calling pick was defending the cutter cutting right. I thought the person sending it back (who was too far away) was just echoing the call.
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u/macdaddee 2d ago
A pick is more than an obstruction.
19.A. A pick occurs whenever an offensive player moves in a manner that causes a defensive player guarding (3.D) an offensive player to be obstructed by another player.
An element of a pick is the obstructed player had to have been guarding an offensive player at the time the obstruction occurred.
3.D. Guarding: A defender is guarding an offensive player when they are within 10 feet of that offensive player and are reacting to that offensive player.
Black#73 is reacting to white#53, but she appears to be around 30ft away if not more at the time of the obstruction, therefore she is not legally guarding anyone. She cannot call a pick.
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u/tigermelon 2d ago
My mistake. I thought the rightward-moving defender was calling pick and 73 was just echoing.
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u/macdaddee 2d ago
Even still, because #73 is so far away from her assignment, there’s nothing that the team in white is doing to cause #73 to obstruct. So I don't even think that's a pick.
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u/TheRealCrabNicholson 2d ago
Defender was two miles away on that call