r/rant • u/Kaje26 • Jan 03 '21
Awesome Every single Trump supporter that is threatening Civil War and the Republican Senators who are trying to overturn the results of the U.S. election should be charged with FUCKING SEDITION.
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u/om54 Jan 03 '21
A lot of talk about seceding in Texas a few years ago. Died down after that hurricane hit Houston.
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u/Hashtag_buttstuff Jan 03 '21
If Texas seceded, the rest of the country would have to PAY them for oil. They'd become a top 20 GDP country overnight.
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Jan 03 '21
No. America would come get us like last time and I'd be seeing if I could get some form of reparations for being removed from my country by a foreign power against my will. Not likely but with a shot.
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u/Ancient_Ravage Jan 03 '21
Scesecion is completely legal, if Texas wants to leave it would be unprovoked war for the US to attack. The original civil war was started because of slavery and the scesecion only snapped the last straw.
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Jan 03 '21
It's legal. It was in our agreement with America when we joined. It's not gonna happen and America will come and get us if by some chance it did.
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u/novae1054 Jan 03 '21 edited Jan 03 '21
Actually no they wouldn't. Texas is 28th on the list of Federal tax revenue vs Federal benefits. Texas received, in 2018, roughly $1.32 for every dollar sent to the Federal government.
Some of the worst offenders (takers more than givers) are "red states".
Mississippi #1 ($1.41)
Louisiana #2 ($1.40)
Tennessee #3 ($1.39)
Montana #4 ($1.38)*
Kentucky #5 ($1.38)*
In contrast more of the "blue states" provide more Federal tax dollars than they take.
Virginia #1 ($0.23)
Connecticut #2 ($0.25)*
Nevada #3 ($0.25)*
Hawaii #4 ($0.25)*
Minnesota #5 ($0.25)*
*Numbers were truncated and were fractions of a penny
Of course there are outliers on this where some red states give more than they take, like Alaska and Kansas, where natural resource tax revenue is king (oil and farming). Also blue states that take more than they give, like New Mexico and Oregon, New Mexico makes sense but Oregon doesn't to me.
People sit there and talk about how much the electoral college is needed because it would be "unfair if the rural folks have less of a voice than those city folk." It hurts my head, because the most prominent tax burdened areas in our country are having their voice taken from them regularly by the same system. The electoral college is giving those who actually contribute less to the success of our nation more of a voice than those who do.
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u/PumpkinGuts18 Jan 04 '21
Fun fact, out of all the states in the U.S.A Texas would actually have the best chance of surviving as a stand alone country.
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u/Hashtag_buttstuff Jan 03 '21
Oil is a much bigger trading piece than anything they'd need. They could choose to get things from other countries besides the US as well.
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u/FattyTheNunchuck Jan 03 '21
I live in Texas. Whenever this secession stuff bubbles up I secretly hope it happens and we lose federal highway funding, State highway funding, our airports, medicated Medicare benefits, social security benefits, all construction and agricultural regulation. Basically, I fantasize about Texans having to live in a so-called republic without any federal funding or benefits.
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u/noodleandknot Jan 04 '21
I don't understand the succession argument, other than a stupid ultimatum.
If the state became an independent body, we would have exorbitant taxes. The only reason to live here now is the lack of taxes, regulations, and low-ish gas prices.
All of the people with money would leave if succession occurred...So it won't happen.
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u/Score_Magala Jan 03 '21 edited Jan 03 '21
Those same people rioting are the same who laughed and celebrated four years ago
I guarantee it
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u/theLiteral_Opposite Jan 03 '21
Isn’t that the whole point? Obviously they celebrated when Trump won, that’s why they’re mad he lost.
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u/usernameemma Jan 03 '21
I think its because 4 years ago there actually was proof of tampering with the election, which they ignored with screams of "he won fairly! Just accept it! He's your president now!" But when he looses and they think there was tampering (which there wasnt) they blow up with the opposite reaction of "there was tampering! He was supposed to win! I will never accept Biden!"
Can't take their own advice. Theyre hypocrites.
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u/nathanatkins15t Jan 03 '21
How much overlap do you think there is between the people who were saying that in 2016 and the people saying what they are in 2020? People who vote republican are not a monolith.
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
And yet again I don't agree with trump as my president but it sounds like you're in the same boat as them when you say it like that. They say there wasn't tampering for thier president which there was and they say they say there was tampering for my president which their wasn't, see where I'm getting at?
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u/Ann_Summers Jan 03 '21
There’s PROOF of tampering in the 2016 election. There is ZERO PROOF of tampering in this last one. See where I’m getting at?
The proof, as they say, is in the pudding.
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u/BrendanKwapis Jan 03 '21
Oh boy I can’t wait to read these comments
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u/lizzyborden669 Jan 03 '21
I'm all ready for this one 🍿🍿🍿
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Jan 03 '21
Y'all ready to launch into controversial?
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
Not really controversial tbh, this site is very left leaning
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u/indigoHatter Jan 03 '21
They mean the sorting feature, I'm sure, similar to "Hot" posts or "New". Controversial comments are the ones that are up and downvoted a lot, or have threads of up and downvoted comments.
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Jan 03 '21
I don’t think people realize that a civil war now will be much MUCH different than the first one. It’d be more like an uprising where one side may have some really decent guns but the other side has tanks and drones. As much as I abhor what some people stand for I still don’t want to see the mass murder that would happen.
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u/CustomCuriousity Jan 03 '21
The country is divided enough that it would potentially devolve into something similar to Syria with a bunch of different factions. If it got to actual civil war levels... which I kinda doubt, unless trump keeps at it after getting out. I
The American civil war was a civil war because the south had a government and an army. Modern civil war is never really like that so far as I understand. I could see the military potentially dividing up... but I dunno, depends on how they try and handle it.
Portland is a microcosm of the potential though, escalating just makes more people rise up, but not fighting back emboldens... so it’s going be to depend a lot on how much the trump monarchists really care... are they actually willing to get gassed? Shot at by the cops with munitions? Then if the real bullets come out, are they gonna fight harder or cower? Depends on their conviction.
Also something to consider how much trouble guerrilla warfare gives us in the Middle East, and were perfectly fine with murdering civilians to get at a few terrorists. Unlikely to happen here, and if it does we will just end up with more radicals.
If all the guys with good guns get rounded up/killed now, in a few years their kids sill be out there, and their families.
Then you’ve got the potential of China and Russia and the UK fighting proxy wars here if it actually got that bad.
Lots of potential
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u/ImNerdyJenna Jan 03 '21
I'm fine with it. If that's what needs to happen, it needs to happen. Our country will be better in the end. I'll be fine staying the house while stupid conspiracy theorist, traitorous people with decent guns get rounded up by the government or killed. Plus I live near two military bases. I think we'll be safe here.
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u/itsaustinjones Jan 03 '21
Ew, you may need a therapist
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u/ImNerdyJenna Jan 03 '21
No. I'm just realistic. If there were a civil war, people would just get rounded up and taken away. The government would use the patriot act to infringe on everyone's rights and catch the traitors before they did anything. They're would be a few stand offs and that's about it.
What's screwed up is to ignore the greater good because it's more comfortable to not have any confrontation. The country is screwed up. If it happens and our country ends up better, I'm fine with it. Tis life.
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u/itsaustinjones Jan 03 '21
I’m saying you need a therapist because of your statement “I’ll be fine staying in the house while people getting rounded up by the government or killed.”
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u/BebeBarber Jan 03 '21
To be fair, I think it’s a minority who would actually do anything. Know a handful of people who voted Trump and most of them didn’t do so with a lot of passion behind it. And the couple who did haven’t threatened anything stronger than protest. Don’t get me wrong, I know protests can escalate, but its not the same as full civil war.
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u/CustomCuriousity Jan 03 '21
You’ve got enough excelerationists batting about that you might get some shit started... consider an anarchist in the right wing crowd inciting a riot? Then you got the police trying to lock it down, hurting people as they do, the right wingers getting more pissed, radicalized... same thing has been going on with the left wing protests over the last 8-12 years.
Then you’ve got the wildcard of trump, imagine him showing videos of police beating people in read hats and calling for more violence? That’s one thing the left doesn’t have.., a demagogue calling for violence.
It’s best to consider the possibility, no real benefit to down playing. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst, right?
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Jan 03 '21
Just remember that implementing lockdowns and containing the spread very early on was attempted, but it was that crowd who went protesting about their rights and tore it all down. I hope they feel real fucking proud of themselves.
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u/jasonjenkins67 Jan 03 '21
Lol yeah I just saw some Trump supporters get fucked by a line of riot police. So much for "back the blue," right?
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u/iamaninsect Jan 03 '21
What about all the BLM protesters? Why did the CV rules not apply during all of those?
And no. I’m not a far right racist republican just for asking this question. Don’t you dare put fvcking labels on people for trying to converse and learn.
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Jan 04 '21
I'm glad you asked, and no, I'm not going to attack you. I don't bite :)
I find there are many core differences between those two kinds of protests that went on.
The black and brown community of the US has faced centuries of systemic oppression from government bodies, such as the police. Peaceful protests have also been happening for decades. You probably don't remember any of them, since they had next to no impact in making any change. In fact, once Floyd was needlessly murdered and the riots began, the majority of the movement were not the ones setting fire to things and looting shops. Those were criminals and thieves who merged into the crowd and used it as cover to do that disgraceful stuff. There were no firearms pointed in front of them when they marched, and they marched for equality, so that so many more innocent, unarmed black men and women would not be shot dead at the hands of the police, while white people are peacefully pulled over or arrested.
As for the lockdown protesters, there was no abuse or systemic oppression facing them. They just wanted to have a haircut, at the cost of 20.6 million Americans. If they had have piped down and stood back, the US would have gone into lockdown, and public transmission would have fizzled out. The year would have gone in short waves of lockdown when new cases of public transmission popped up. Hundreds of thousands of lives saved. There was only one community they were protecting, and it was their own sorry asses from fucking covid hair.
So, to answer your question, BLM marched for the betterment and liberation of millions of lives across the US, and the anti-lockdown protesters marched for themselves and their short-term losses due to the pandemic. You could even ask why it's often put against the BLM marches for marching in the middle of COVID, when Trump rallies and indeed the lockdown protests were equally as hazardous. At least BLM had a justified cause for the good of the collective.
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u/spineofgod9 Jan 03 '21
The most worrisome part to me is that because no charges will ever be brought against these literally treasonous scumbags, it will never end until they win. I worry less about the (non violent) idiots on facebook than I do about the leaders they mindlessly follow, even to their detriment.
There is no incentive not to blatantly grab power right out in the open; no one rises up against you. Even if trump was gone (and not back in 4 years), he'll just be replaced by another, more dangerous oligarch.
Suggesting that these people be arrested and brought to trial is not extreme. They loudly defy the constitution they were sworn to uphold, ignore the will of the people they swore to work for, and incite violence against democracy itself - not coincidentally the very acts they claim to be defeating with their treasonous behavior.
In times past, these people would be exiled at best. They represent the greatest danger to our nation (and western civilization) that has been posed in at least three generations. If they are not treated as the criminals they are then our law ceases to have any purpose beyond the protection of the rich and powerful.
Arrest them. If there is any shred of decency left in the powers that be, arrest them. They need to be brought to justice.
I just don't believe there's any justice left. Not for us down here, anyway.
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u/nathanatkins15t Jan 03 '21
I'm really happy that things aren't nearly as bad as what you seem to believe.
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u/darkfish301 Jan 03 '21
What does this have to do with anything? That’s an article from the 2016 election.
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Jan 03 '21
Democrats have done the exact same thing 4 times previously. Its not anything new. Hence the article from 2016
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u/LilWooody Jan 03 '21 edited Jan 03 '21
USA is one of the most divided countries I have ever seen. And to be honest from an outsider perspective I wouldnt be too surprised if the roles were reversed. Trump is a joke though and I agree with what you have written.
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u/iamaninsect Jan 03 '21
There are many other countries waaaaaaaay more divided than the US. They’re really not even all that divided. It just looks like way. And MSM loves whiny victim voices so it feels like half the country hates POC and trans folk when really... no one gives a shit about anyone but themselves and their own damn families. I really wish people could see this. But they can’t pry their eyes from their screens for more than 2 seconds.
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u/UberDaftie Jan 03 '21
A question as a non-American - what do you guys think would happen if Trump just went full apeshit and called on the militias to rise up in his defence?
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u/iamaninsect Jan 03 '21
Nothing because it won’t happen
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u/UberDaftie Jan 03 '21
Yeah, I know. But I mean what would happen to Trump? Arrested? Ignored as the ravings of a slevering looney?
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u/iamaninsect Jan 03 '21
I think money buys them ways out of things. Sure he may appear to be arrested but chances are, there are hidden deals happening and he would get out Scott free. The way the Clintons are avoiding the entire Epstein case. It just blows my mind how the rich aren’t just able to get away with horrible colossal crimes, but they’re able to brag and wave it in front of our faces too.
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u/manawydan-fab-llyr Jan 03 '21
As a person who just votes for the best person (in my view at least), not really affiliated with any party (registered Dem as that's what my parents were when I registered 20 years ago, not knowing shit) I am tired of this shit of people who make dumbass decisions like this just because of party affiliation. Civil War? For fucking real?
I just ticked a person not Trump or Biden when I voted. I don't know if I should be ashamed or proud of that fact, but all this shit unfolding after the election I lean toward the former.
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Jan 03 '21
Yeah, trump nor biden are any good, but it does suck that third party candidates stand no chance.
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Jan 03 '21
Lmao a civil war would end fast. Sure, state militia is a cool and all but they've got drones with bombs on them, A-10 Warthogs, and AC-130s, your knockoff AK with a broken dust cover doesn't compete with that.
Edit: "They" being the government
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u/ShardofGold Jan 03 '21
So you want to pull a dictatorship? Gunning down people who are upset their government won't listen to them?
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u/cindybubbles Jan 03 '21
Don’t worry about it. COVID-19 will get them before they can even think about planning their little war.
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u/darkstar1031 Jan 03 '21 edited Jan 03 '21
From dehumanization to arms production,
For the benefit of the nation or its destruction
Power is power, the law of the land,
Those living for death will die by their own hand,
Life's no ordeal if you come to terms,
Reject the system dictating the norms.
It's your choice.
Civil war 2.0 is about the stupidest notion I've ever heard. First, the entire US military: The most powerful fighting force in the known universe (FACT) is going to side with the United States. The US military has just spent 20 years fighting against guerilla insurgents. We've gotten very, VERY good at it. The AH-64 exists, and is flat out terrifying. It's a flying tank with a 30mm cannon on the nose that can shoot the flies off a dogs ass from 5 miles away, and can carry 8 hellfire missiles. We have hundreds of them. There are entire warehouses stacked front to back, floor to ceiling with Abrams tanks. Fleets (plural) of MRAP armored trucks. The most technologically advanced military on the face of the planet, and that's without considering the Navy or Airforce. In fact, the three largest air forces in the world are the US Airforce, the US Navy, and the US Army. The NYPD alone is a formidable force when compared to world militaries, and that's just one police agency. Factor in Dallas, Chicago, Atlanta, Philadelphia, Washington DC, Houston, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, and various other smaller police agencies, and mix them with all the three letter agencies like FBI, NSA, DHS, ATF, and any others I might be forgetting. It's like a field mouse trying to square off with a goddamned mountain lion.
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u/the_disintegrator Jan 03 '21
I'm in line at the liquor store tonight, in a small town area, and the guy in line behind me, who I don't know from Sam asks me, "are you a democrat?". I assume because i had a n95 mask on. Like is that even your business? Since when is this casual conversation in a check out line? What, I'm supposed to say yes so you can verbally chastise me or start some weird line of questioning? Yeah, it's "your with me or you're against me" type of bullshit, trying to stir up shit. "No, I'm independent". This area is about 50/50 with the mask wearing, even in stores where they have giant signs that say "mask required". People are using it as a way to single out people that aren't also second amendment anti-abortionist evangelical extremists.
Fuck this type of intrusive shit - trump enabled and emboldened people to do this shit. Fuck trump and fuck anyone who supports him now or ever. He would step on your face with his golf spikes if it meant he escaped a burning building in your place. REMEMBER THAT.
His $2,000 check stunt was simply an attempt to buy reputation points for his legacy, to try and offset the majority of his horrible term.
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
I'm honestly really sorry you had to meet someone that stupid, but my parents support trump and would've had the exact same reaction, and it's a bit much to just group everyone up as in everyone who ever thought trump did good things are terrible people.
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u/Hashtag_buttstuff Jan 03 '21
It's almost like people canceled others for being Trump supporters and now the shoe is on the other foot. But I doubt anyone will admit Democrats had a hand in dividing the country.
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u/Bob4Not Jan 03 '21
The shoe always changes feet every time the pendulum swings, but this time is the worst in a long time and it’s 95% the fault of social media misinformation. The upper generations are actively using social media sources as their rage fuel. There is some fault on the press that would cry wolf and flip out for every single little thing - too many got tired of it and don’t believe the press when they report a real wolf is attacking. Combine that with the tsunami of misinformation on social media, and this is why we’re here.
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u/EarthExile Jan 03 '21
Shouldn't be supporting the seditious, disruptive traitor, then. If my candidate was screaming for the end of democracy I'd be ashamed to admit I voted for them. Shame.
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u/PillarOfSanity Jan 03 '21
Your candidates have been screaming for the end of democracy since before Trump's election, they've just gotten more vocal about it recently
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
Alright, I don't agree with his voting for trump either, but it makes you no better than then if you're going to just point fingers and downvote someone to hell just because they're different than you.
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u/frangistan Jan 03 '21
You support Trump, but you hate the rabble that he leads on? You’re a fucking moron. And before you go on about how there needs to be civil discussion, you need to realize that discussions are impossible to have with fucking morons, civil or otherwise. But you won’t realize that, because you’re a total fucking moron.
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u/ActualPimpHagrid Jan 03 '21
Have you seriously never liked something, but hated the culture of the "fandom"? The guy can agree with Trumps politics while thinking that some of his supporters take it too far.
Or is that too much nuance for a fucking moron to understand?
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u/acutemalamute Jan 03 '21
"Its ok to like Trump but dislike people that do the things he tells them to do" is perhaps my favorite go-to example when describing congestive dissonance. Stand back and stand by lol
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u/Amonette2012 Jan 03 '21
Trump doesn't have politics, he has reactions. His MO is 1) do what Russia says, 2) make money, 3) be bigly. That's it.
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u/PillarOfSanity Jan 03 '21
Wow, such a reasoned response. Sure to open people's eyes and make them receptive to the unity your team claims to want.
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u/Urlag-gro-Urshbak Jan 03 '21 edited Jan 03 '21
Nobody is changing opinions because of reddit comments, let's be honest.
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u/frangistan Jan 03 '21
I know the battle lines wouldn’t be exactly the same this time around, but if the South tried seceding again I wouldn’t fire a single bullet over it. In fact, I’d pack their lunches and slap their butts as they went out the door. America is less free, less educated, and less wealthy for having those wretched states be part of the nation.
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u/Hilikus1980 Jan 03 '21
Texas had more blue voters than many blue states. My state of NC only had a difference of 76k out of nearly five and a half million voters. Georgia went blue.
Saying bs like this doesn't do US liberals any favors when we try to convince people we aren't arrogant elitist who look down everyone else.
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
Am from nc, it's a wonderful place and can confirm how many democrats there are
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
Wow that seems like it's generalizing a bit much don't you think? The idiots always speak the loudest, and most people that live down south are wonderful people.
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u/LocoBaxter Jan 03 '21
Thank you
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u/CookieLuzSax Jan 03 '21
When I looked at these comments last he had a ton of upvotes, I'm glad people came to their senses
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u/stargxrl Jan 03 '21
Dont trash the south like that. As a minority from the south, please realize a lot of progressive ideas came from Southern activists. Throwing away the “non-liberal” states are not gonna solve our problems on being divided. Especially when a lot of swing states are in the South.
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u/aprehensive_penguin Jan 03 '21
I agree, there just better be a good “refugee” system in place for all the people that don’t think backwards from those states that will need to get out in a hurry
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u/Immadeofgoreandcgi Jan 03 '21
Seriously? People like you are the exact reason those states vote red. I'm sick of the anti-southern snobbery coming from the alt-left.
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u/ghost_riverman Jan 03 '21
Your record is skipping. You said this already; it doesn't make more sense with repetition.
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u/Immadeofgoreandcgi Jan 03 '21
I'm getting karma eviscerated just for speaking out against bigotry towards a group of people
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u/Immadeofgoreandcgi Jan 03 '21
Seriously? People like you are the exact reason those states vote red. I'm sick of the anti-southern snobbery coming from the alt-left.
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u/ghost_riverman Jan 03 '21
'Alt-left!' It's been a while since we've heard that made up term. Bravo!
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u/Mosaiceyes Jan 03 '21
Gay
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u/antmansclone Jan 03 '21
"Threatening civil war" is setting the bar way too high. Merely SUGGESTING that civil war is even a remotely realistic response to removing Trump from the presidency is dangerous enough.
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u/juvenile_josh Jan 03 '21
It's within Texas' rights to be dumb and secede. And technically speaking I'm sure if another state wanted to secede it would go to the Supreme Court and be considered constitutional.
At the same time the US would declare a declaration of war on the seceding state, I'm sure.
Seceding over Trump losing the election is ridiculous. Seceding over the authoritarianism that plagues this country when a state's rights are much too often overridden by the central government, however, is how the states were designed to work.
Politicians have too much power. Honestly we need a government reset as there are so many convoluted laws, and none of us commoners understand them which strongarms us into licking the boots of the politicians to "speak for us"
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u/GARLIC_BREAD9257 Jan 03 '21
Personally I would say talking about seceding is ridiculous at best, treason at worst
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Jan 05 '21
It’s time to move on. I voted for Trump but I am growing tired of the fighting over the election. No matter how much people wish the election outcome would change it isn’t.
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u/LongTimeChinaTime Jan 05 '21 edited Jan 05 '21
While everyone is all caught up in defending their “party” and fighting about it...
I am standing here almost alone watching the American Public getting slowly groomed to normalize the development of what I believe is likely to become a nefarious form of government.
For one the elections of the last 20 years have all essentially been presented to come down to a 50/50 split. The odds of that happening by accident have got to be astronomical.
It’s not any one thing. It’s everything. I see patterns. You just get to a place where you’re like “something is very wrong here”
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u/angrythrowaway1812 Jan 06 '21
FUCK THE LOWER CLASS WHITES,YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO I'm TALKING ABOUT, FELLOW MIDWESTERNERS
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Jan 07 '21 edited Jan 07 '21
I really don't want to go on a political witchhunt against "Trump Supporters" broadly, even for something specific like "threatening civil war." (I assume you mean people making active threats to engage in Civil War). People in my own IRL circles have done "civil war talk" but would likely never participate. I.e, "the time comes, I'll be out there." Right now, they're not.
This refrain on my end is not because I particularly love the folks over at DC...but because I hate the national security state and want it to burn to the ground.
Certainly, specific cases need to be arrested, after going through the correct process of evaluating the threat level. I will say that.
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The Cruz Eleven need to be removed and Trump needs to be impeached.
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u/PillarOfSanity Jan 03 '21
A lot of y'all need to look in a mirror and reflect hard on your behavior the last 4 years.
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u/LocoBaxter Jan 03 '21
Well that would be one way to guarantee a civil war
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u/LibertyUnderpants Jan 03 '21
What? People facing the consequences of their actions?
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u/DeathBefallsYou Jan 07 '21
Ah. OP thinks like a Red Coat. Just wait until OP learns how America was founded. Ill give you a hint. It was founded by a bunch of traitors...
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u/Ok_Zookeepergame6411 Jan 03 '21
States should secede instead of egging on a war. People supporting Biden will be in for a shock when they realize they essentially voted in a Bush. Frankly, I feel bad for the folks propagandized to believe Joe is viable, has a good record, and will do good things for the country. And there have been examples of voter fraud, and considering how the media has teamed up with the Democratic Party, I definitely consider this a sham election regardless. If this makes senators choose to stand their ground and reject this election, I support it.
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It’s ok, I was one of the 10 Puerto Ricans to want trump but I knew it was over when they officially announced it
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Pretty much impossible at this point. Blue areas amounted to something like 51.4% of the votes but ~70% of national GDP. In other words, Red America would be screwed if they tried such a thing.
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u/Yuya-Sakaki3736 Jan 03 '21
You realize this post is against trump supporters threating things such as ya know civil war and not just trump supports correct?
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u/Nroke1 Jan 03 '21
As a rather conservative person(but I don’t really agree with either huge political party) I agree.