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Official Spoiler [TRC] Kes, Evolving Telepath

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u/ThoughtseizeScoop 14h ago

stupid 5 drop only drew me 45 cards

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u/ArmadilloAl 10h ago

Compared to how many cards Rhystic Study draws you over 9 turns? Yeah, 45's a bit disappointing.

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u/LigerZeroPanzer12 6h ago

Oh no I have two cards like Rhystic my lobster is so buttery 😭😭

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u/MrReginaldAwesome 49m ago

These nachos are too cheesy!

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u/CareerMilk 14h ago

Nine time counters because Ocampans only live nine years.

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u/AntonineWall 13h ago

I thought it was 6? Did it change during the show or just bad memory on my part?

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u/DarnOldMan 13h ago

I think 9 is old age, probably 6-9 is average. But then they meet some ocampans that are like 12 at one point.

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u/Madhighlander1 11h ago

It was 9 for Kes' group, but it's implied that the underground bunker they were being kept was insufficient for their needs - they meet another group of the same species later that lived up to 20-25 years

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u/MrJohnqpublic 14h ago

Well that's fucking dark. Honestly surprised they printed a Kes card. Peak 90s "deeply weird and problematic, but it's sci-fi so it's fine" character.

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u/Jevonar 13h ago

Good sci-fi usually tackles contemporary problems in a futuristic setting.

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u/MrJohnqpublic 13h ago

True, but exploring the concept of adult relationships with a much older partner can be done without the need to take things to such an extreme. Kes and Nelix's relationship was weird and unnecessary.

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u/Great-Trifle2810 12h ago

Also they never really treat her relationship with neelix as problematic. He is occasionally kind of a jerk to her but this isn't portrayed as him taking advantage of her or anything and there are definitely other crew members that would smash.

In fact in a time travel episode there is an alternative future where she married Tom and then Harry married their daughter.

The show just expects you to view her as a young adult woman, not a child or anything

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u/LigerZeroPanzer12 12h ago

I mean, it becomes the problem of "putting human morals against alien life forms that do not confirm to those morals". Time is relative; if humans only lived to be like 30 (and developed sexually relative to this) we probably wouldn't see dating/marriage at 8 as weird, because it's relative.

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u/LobotomistCircu 5h ago

Good sci-fi usually tackles contemporary problems in a futuristic setting

"What if this toddler was actually really sexy, and had vaginas for ears?"

Well, when you're right, you're right.

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u/ponyrx2 13h ago

Still waiting on Chakotay for this category lol

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u/scalebirds 14h ago

Some timey-wimey shenanigans you can do with this and the Doctor Who cards

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u/SomeLocusts 13h ago

I came here to talk about this card being bad, but you've reminded me that I have a Tenth Doctor deck so whoops lol.

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u/Altruistic_Bottle793 10h ago

Right? Keeping her at a 7-8 counters with time travel and drawing a bunch every turn sounds super neat, and you can cheat her out with suspend. I will definetly try her.

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u/genderlich 14h ago

Really interesting that they didn't make any kind of "psychic" creature type. If they didn't do it for this set they probably never will.

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u/Doomgloomya 14h ago

Probrably because magic exists so Jace would have always been a psychic if they tried to introduce that

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u/dfltr 14h ago

Yeah, “psychic” is denoted by the blue card frame.

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u/MarbonConoxide 14h ago

Fuel for [[Kate Stewart]] !

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u/ChronicRedhead 14h ago

With [[The Tenth Doctor]], [[Fury Charm]], and several other "Time Travel" spells and effects, you can effectively stymy Kes' proverbial "departure" for quite a while. She's not a bad addition to the 99/98 of any Suspend deck, especially given her mv of 5.

Gotta love time counters!

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u/knight_of_solamnia 14h ago

Or send her out with a bang.

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u/SteakForGoodDogs 14h ago

Just stuff her in an [[Assault Suit]], and she'll be drawing all the cards you could possibly want*

*try not to deck out before lab man or jace is out tho lol

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u/stuntofthelitter 12h ago

Kess starts breaking down due to old age? Straight into the Dreadnought armor!

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u/Aerim 14h ago

Each counter a year, i suppose.

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u/2_7_offsuit 14h ago

Think Mark, Think!

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u/TrixWax 14h ago

Right into [[Y’shtola Rhul]]

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u/Wikidclowne 14h ago

[[Assault Suit]]? Passing control of her isn't mandatory.

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u/thehandofgork 14h ago

When [[Quirion Ranger]] came out we all called it Kes because we thought the art looked a lot like Jennifer Lien.

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u/OrganicDoom2225 13h ago

I think im still playing [[Insight Engine]] over this because it has better combo potential and is slightly harder to remove.

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u/Matais99 11h ago

[[oaka traveling merchant]] would keep her around

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u/cloudedknife 8h ago

Advisor...goes in bruvac!?

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u/DarkShade666 14h ago

Works great with [[O'aka, Traveling Merchant]]

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u/Less-Captain4426 10h ago

Even in a Tidus deck. He can jack up her counters as much as possible then move them off in the combat phase.

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u/Accidentallygolden 13h ago

Yep, Ocampan don't leave long...

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u/cardlord64 8h ago

This might be the most flavorful card in the set. I love this.

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u/wingspantt 13h ago

After all these years, I still can't stand Kes or Neelix

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u/aknightadrift 8h ago

...couldn't get any more creative with the art direction here? You have a card about manipulating time counters and it's just a lady standing there in front of a desktop background. This set is so bizarre art-wise.

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u/cowboymoder 13h ago

Please have alternate art. I love Kes, but what the hell is this pose.

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u/Sjiznit 14h ago

No person in chair? Cool looking card though