r/janeausten • • 16h ago

Discussion - Pride and Prejudice People saying Mr Darcy was autistic coded/shy/had no social skills are missing the point

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Mr Darcy was absolutely a snob at the beginning. He deliberately insulted Elizabeth by snubbing her and was well aware about what he said.

It didn’t have anything to do with him having foot-in-mouth syndrome. He acted that way because he genuinely believed she was inferior to him.

He wasn’t secretly in love with her already and desperately trying to mask it by being dismissive.

He goes on to ruin Jane’s chances with Mr Bingley simply because he believes that the Bennets are improper and that there was no way Jane truly had feelings for Bingley.

When he proposes to Elizabeth and says that he’s in love with her despite her social status, it wasn’t that he had no idea that he was being rude. He was genuinely surprised that he could be attracted to her and chose to verbally express it.

He was certainly rather delusional in saying this out loud to Elizabeth, but that’s the point. He was arrogant enough to believe she would accept his proposal anyway, even though he had insulted her, because who would turn him down?

That’s the whole point of Mr Darcy’s character. He starts out with this pride, and eventually overcomes this character flaw, acknowledging he was wrong with what he did to Bingley and Jane, and shows Elizabeth that he has changed with what he did for Lydia, not demanding recognition in any way.

Elizabeth also overcomes her own flaws, realising that she was wrong about Wickham and seeing Mr Darcy’s change - this isn’t a story about Elizabeth sitting back and waiting for Mr Darcy to change into the perfect man that she can marry, but rather them both changing for the better. Hence, the title!


r/janeausten • • 13h ago

Discussion - Sense and Sensibility What are your opinions on how Willoughby characterizes his wife?

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I know that I want to hear her side of the story!


r/janeausten • • 13h ago

Read-through Emma, Sporadically - Chapter 9

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Beware, spoilers.

"but Emma could not quarrel with herself." -Kinda the crux of the whole issue, isn't it?

"and the intention of going on to-morrow." -I emphasize deeply with this delightful description of procrastination.

"It was much easier to chat than to study; much pleasanter to let her imagination range and work at Harriet’s fortune, than to be labouring to enlarge her comprehension or exercise it on sober facts;" -I was too precipitous. *This* is the crux of the issue.

"the only mental provision she was making for the evening of life" -This is rather dark, isn't it?

"Miss Woodhouse”—he stopt a moment—“or Miss Smith" -Oho!

"The speech was more to Emma than to Harriet, which Emma could understand." -I love, love, love how the narration so align's itself with Emma's viewpoint, creating a third person unreliable narrator. But the fun of it is that a first-time reader doesn't necessarily know to be suspicious. The layers in the writing are so genius.

"Humph—Harriet’s ready wit!" -I am afraid I am not on the "Justice for Harriet" train. I won't even step on the caboose. The narration goes out of it's way to emphasize just how relatively empty-headed the girl is.

"For once in your life you would be obliged to own yourself mistaken." -One can feel, a bit, how badly Emma would like this to be true.

"or a shark?" -See note above about not hopping aboard the Justice for Harriet train.

"Emma spoke for her." -A likely thing to happen.

"Could it really be meant for me?" -When you start to look for those clues, they are everywhere! So many lines allow for inferences or double-meaning. Austen must have had so much fun writing this!

"Receive it on my judgment." -This is truer than Emma knows.

"There does seem to be a something in the air of Hartfield which gives love exactly the right direction, and sends it into the very channel where it ought to flow." -I love how, by the end, this does actually hold true.

"and a man that every body looks up to, quite like Mr. Knightley! " -Another little clue: from very early on Harriet does seem to be able to appreciate Mr. Knightley exactly as she ought.

"I love to hear you. You understand every thing." -A winning combination of flattery and delusion!

"It is as long again as almost all we have had before." / "to sit down and write a letter, and say just what you must, in a short way" -I could make a crude joke about Harriet being length obsessed (which I guess I just did), but I love how Austen keeps the basis of Harriet's literary critiques consistent.

"She read it to him, just as he liked to have any thing read, slowly and distinctly, and two or three times over, with explanations of every part as she proceeded—and he was very much pleased, and, as she had foreseen, especially struck with the complimentary conclusion." -Poor Emma, this is awfully tedious for her, but she does it without complaint.

"and as Emma saw his spirits affected by the idea of his daughter’s attachment to her husband," -Ha!

Mr. Woodhouse's idiolect seems to be made up of the words "pretty," "poor," and "gruel."

"One half of the world cannot understand the pleasures of the other." -Another wonderful example of Emma saying something that sounds wonderfully wise. I think this time we can give her credit for not saying it (inadvertently or otherwise) speciously.

"here was a sort of parade in his speeches which was very apt to incline her to laugh." -Emma isn't entirely bad at reading people. She values Mr. Elton's performative compliments for exactly what they are worth.