r/horror • • 5d ago

Horror Gaming Hellraiser Revival has been “performing extremely well” as Saber CEO says AA games need more focus than “AAA behemoths”

https://frvr.com/blog/news/hellraiser-revival-has-been-performing-extremely-well-as-saber-ceo-says-aa-games-need-more-focus-than-aaa-behemoths/
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u/biophazer242 5d ago

I imagine the price point really helped as well. Being a full on 15+ hour campaign single player game that launches at $39.99 is nice these days.

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u/Dr-Mumm-Rah 5d ago edited 5d ago

There have been some fun games that have come out at great prices at launch the last few weeks.

  • Castlevania: Belmont's Curse: $29-39

  • Silent Hill Town Fall: $49.99-59.99

  • Control Resonate: $59.99

  • The Sinking City 2: $49.99-54.99

  • Silver Pines: $24.99

Edited: To include recommendations listed in this thread.

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u/biophazer242 5d ago

Hellraiser, Sinking City 2 and Silver Pines are my horror games of the year thus far all have been priced just right. I bounced off SH: Town Fall which really surprised me as I was really looking forward to it all year. It might be because I had already played through The Sinking City 2 right before I started Town Fall and that game is very combat heavy and TF is not. I just may not have been in the right mindset. I will go back to TF at a later point but it just felt a little lacking for the $60 price, but to be totally fair I only played it about 90 minutes before I stopped.

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u/OldMoray 5d ago

Have you played the first Sinking City? The demo for the second one felt too Resident Evil clone-y to me but I'm still curious

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u/schnauzzer 5d ago

Oh my god! Sinking city 2 is out? I had no idea. Why the hell nobody talks about it.

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u/Dr-Mumm-Rah 5d ago

Town Fall has a bit of a slow start, but it gets interesting and tense at times.

I also started it, but switched off to Belmont's Curse. The problem with Belmont's Curse is the platforming is very intense and actually fatigues me after awhile (and this is coming from someone that 100%ed Shinobi Art of Vengeance). Once I finish Castlevania, I will pivot back to Silent Hill.

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u/LuntiX 5d ago

I really liked townfall. I think first person really did it for me. Granted, I'm not a silent hill fan so I had no real expectations going in.

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u/theeMrPeanutbutter 5d ago

Control Resonant was 60 as well

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u/Excellent-Bear4221 5d ago

Silver Pines needs to win like ten game awards or I will sacrifice my left nut to bring about the apocalypse

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u/darth_wasabi 5d ago

Silver Pines will be considered one of the best Point N Click adventures of all time eventually 

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u/Creeperstar 4d ago

You forgot Silksong! An ample gaming experience for $20 out the gate. A friend of mine uses that as an anchor for pricing discussions.

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u/Stibben 3d ago

I think you're a year too late

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u/DuelaDent52 1d ago

Also Star Wars and Gears of War. I mean, fudge me, I only have so much money on me and all these games decided to come out now for some reason and with the state the industry is in I’m scared if I don’t buy them immediately then the whole dev team gets gutted.

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u/Cranharold 5d ago

15 hours is being generous, but I still felt I got my money's worth out the 9 hours it took me. As a big Hellraiser fan, it was just about as disgusting and perverted as I could've possibly hoped.

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u/Deadlocked02 5d ago edited 5d ago

I was more satisfied with it than I was with the last full-priced horror games released. Same with Fatal Frame 2 Remake, which was also cheaper. I thought they were more authentic even leaving price aside, that is.

RE9 was a huge disappointment, for instance.

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u/Rosebunse 5d ago

RE9's biggest issue is the price. Resident Evil games should be shorter experiences, but the price point for 9 was pushing it for how long the game reallt was.

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u/Highlift1210 5d ago

Disappointment how?

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u/FragmentedFighter 4d ago

You must not have played the last few horror games. Because they leave hellraiser in the dust, and I was really excited for it.

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u/Darko06SS 4d ago

You are crazy yo. This new Hellraiser gives RE9 more than a run for its money. It even transcends the movies if you experience the ending. RE9 was no where near perfect. Xeno was a total waste and there’s more to be said. RE is tied as my top franchise as well so. 🤷🏼‍♂️ Idk how a horror fan would not like this shit.

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u/askyourmom469 5d ago

Yep. It's honestly the perfect price point for this kind of game. I'm playing it not and have absolutely no complaints in that regard.

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u/barelyangry 5d ago

Decent regional pricing as well, and it has a demo!

Imagine that, good service making sales.

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u/akennelley 1d ago

Don't tell them I would have paid 60 and still been satisfied.

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u/ihopethisworksfornow 5d ago

Dudes 100% right. There used to be a plethora of mid-budget games coming out every year, and it’s why we had so much choice in the PS2 era .

Of course the modern era has seen the rise of indie games, but AA has largely disappeared. Helldivers seemed to revitalize AA within the industry imo.

Proved that you don’t need to be a previously established IP, a sleeper micro budget indie, or a massive tens of million dollar investment that you charge $70 for, to be a successful game in the 2020s

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u/ModernistGames 5d ago edited 5d ago

The breath and variety of quality PS2 games will never be recreated. The AA space was incredible.

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u/ningdon 5d ago

I have no idea why people make the claim that AA games aren't a thing anymore. Its one of those things that's become popular to say even though there's very little actually supporting it in reality. Here are a bunch from the few years alone.

2026:

  • Hellraiser Revival

  • Cairn

  • Resonance a Plague Tale Legacy

  • Enshrouded

  • Romeo is a Dead Man

  • Nioh 3

  • Mortal Shell 2

  • Directive 8020

  • Gothic Remake

  • Code Vein 2

  • Pathologic 3

  • Sinking City 2

  • Valor Mortis

  • Endless Legend 2

  • Castlevania: Belmont's Curse

  • Cairn

  • Life is Strange Reunion

  • Crisol Theater of Souls

  • Paranormasight the Mermaid's Curse

  • Reanimal

  • Trails in the Sky 2nd

  • Ace Combat 8

2025:

  • Clair Obscur Expedition 33

  • Dispatch

  • Cronos the New Dawn

  • Mafia the Old Country

  • South of Midnight

  • First Berserker Khazan

  • The Alters

  • Trails in the Sky 1st

  • Digimon Story: Time Stranger

  • The Hundred Line Last Defense Academy

  • Fantasy Life I

  • Shinobi Art of Vengeance

  • Atomfall

  • Hell is Us

  • Tainted Grail Fall of Avalon

  • Rogue Prince of Persia

  • AI Limit

  • Eternal Strands

  • Keeper

  • Fatal Fury: City of Wolves

  • Wuchang Fallen Feathers

I could probably double or triple this list if I dug deeper but you get the idea.

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u/LuntiX 5d ago

I'd add stupid never dies to 2026. Fun spectacle fighter without the AAA price tag.

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u/subsignalparadigm 5d ago

Resonance was an excellent game and a great story.

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u/leviathynx 5d ago

Add Valor Mortis to that list. A blast!

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u/Frosty-Sea149 5d ago

AAA is in a death spiral of high costs causing needing to win BIG causing higher costs chasing needing to win even bigger 

It’s like gambling where everyone is taking out larger and larger loans to pay off their debt hoping to land a jackpot

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u/Additional-Proof556 5d ago

Originally bought it just to support an actual faithful adaptation. But after playing it, I’ve actually enjoying the gameplay.

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u/ihopethisworksfornow 5d ago

It’s totally solid game and I could see them banging out a few solid DLC expansions in the $20-$30 range.

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u/theonewhoknack 5d ago

I'm down for either remakes of Hellraiser 3-4 in expansion pack form or something more faithful to hellraiser, take an L.A. Noire game and slap Pinhead into it.

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u/ihopethisworksfornow 5d ago edited 5d ago

Personally I don’t want to see them directly adapt any movie. Keep it faithful in tone but don’t literally just re-do a movie plot.

That would be especially tough with Hellraiser because the plot completely falls apart after 2.

Hell, even 2’s plot kind of fucks up the plot of 1. It’s just still a good movie so no one hates on it for that lmao.

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u/RumRogerz 5d ago

I’m having a blast with it.

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u/aZombieDictator 5d ago

Indies and AA have been consistently better than AAA titles. Like seriously Well Dweller was made by 1 person and the art direction and gameplay is better than a aaa that took 5+ years with hundreds of people, silver pines was made with 5 people, hellraiser probably had a small team too. Games are so much better when they're not corporate products with huge teams and production.

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u/ningdon 5d ago edited 5d ago

I think there's a lot of survival bias here. The vast majority of indie and AA games don't really make a huge splash and you never hear about them. The ones that make it into the mainstream are great but that's a very skewed view of all AA/Indie games.

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u/Frosty-Sea149 5d ago

Yeah there’s hundreds to thousands of indies every year that nobody will ever hear about. 

AA/AAA has the budget to spend millions for marketing so you’ll know if it ends up failing 

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u/PoetryParticular9695 5d ago

“YOU OPENED THE BOX!”

“I CAME.”

“Can you validate my parking please?”

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u/R-Berry 5d ago

"Fourth one today...." [sighs]

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u/Rustofski 5d ago

I’ll take a fun short AA game over a long boring AAA game any day

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u/IAmThePonch 5d ago

Crazy, it’s easier to make a focused game with a modest budget, insane how that works it’s not like games operated that way for decades before the modern era

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u/Trudemur 5d ago

This game is so good. Loved it.

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u/alkatori 5d ago

Difference between AA and AAA in terms of the game industry?

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u/rtheiii 5d ago

More limited budget, which typically leads into a more focused scale and scope

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u/-The-Bloody-Nine 5d ago

AA is a medium sized budget, scale of game, and price of the final product. Also many of them are independent as opposed to having a corporate owner which gives them more flexibility (no upper management meddling, no overly ambitious sales targets).

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u/no_one_lies 5d ago edited 5d ago

Typically narrower scope in game play, worse graphical fidelity, and no celebrity cameos voice acting or motrack acting as the game’s characters, and a lot lower marketing budget.

Not a bad thing. It also comes with benefits other comments made such as not having to deal with corporate bloat and a c-suite pushing decision making. Also AA can make the game they want versus “what tests well in the market” because they can’t afford all the consumer testing and dating analytics that ‘enhance’ the game’s mass appeal.

Usually they have an idea and just have to run with it.

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u/Rosebunse 5d ago

While Doug Bradley is a firmly C-list actor who really only has Pinhead as a notable role, this game is pretty notable for getting him as an actor and appearantly applying his own notes and idea in how Pinhead should be portrayed.

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u/Kgb725 5d ago

Im sure it helped with Clive barker being there too

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u/_Viva_La_Revolucion_ 5d ago

Doug Bradley is pinhead there is no pinhead without Doug Bradley.

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u/DuelaDent52 1d ago

I largely agree but Jamie Clayton came pretty close.

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u/IndustrialSlicer 5d ago

you are 100% correct, and I will say this particular game has some -very- high graphical fidelity. The limited scope was spent well on quality. The game is very well made, fascinating, disgusting and I can't play it

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u/mindgamehagi 4d ago

Not really, it all come down to budget. AA is more unforgiving production wise since you need to have everything lock down before having a single pixel on screen because your budget do not have room to experiment or expend on some idea during production. its the main reason AA title are more focus and usually linear with a single idea in mind gameplaywise. Sometime is a good thing but other time the game end up feeling stiff.

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u/Dealric 5d ago

At this point graphical fidelity difference isnt massive even. Industry is hitting extremely heavy diminishing returns on it and huge investments give very little

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u/BigB0iBuster 5d ago

Smaller budget, smaller scope.

AA games nowadays are pretty much what a lot of AAA games used to feel like in the PS3/360 era if that makes sense.

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u/Winscler 3d ago

AAA exploded after MW2 because of what Bobby Kotick did

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u/Ok_Ad6722 5d ago

Modern AA is what AAA used to be in the early 2000s

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u/Cowboywizard12 5d ago

Its the equivalent difference betweena Mid Budget movie and a Large Budget movie

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u/Kgb725 5d ago

The difference between Godzilla minus one and Godzilla vs kong.

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u/ningdon 5d ago

A24 movie vs Major studio movie

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u/SpaceCases__ 2d ago

I wouldn't even say that's accurate now with the movie version of Elden Ring coming out.

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u/Emergency-Mammoth-88 1d ago

That’s more like arthouse vs blockbuster. 

A more reasonable one is b movies vs Hollywood movies 

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u/Dealric 5d ago

About 200mln dollars

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u/Slow-Boysenberry3150 5d ago

Less than $100m budget

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u/Broken_Moon_Studios 5d ago

Lower budgets mean lower target sales.

It's a much more sustainable model compared to "going for broke" and literally going broke.

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u/Wolf-Smasher-1349 4d ago

For a aaa game to be successful it needs to generate a lot of income, because it cost alot of income. Not only is there more leeway with aa games but if its successful thats more money in the pocket.

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u/Kgb725 5d ago

Developers just work with what they have. Like a major AA release can catapult a studio into getting bigger opportunities

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u/Careless-Emphasis-80 5d ago

We love to hear that

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u/hamboneworldchamp 5d ago

I really hope this game's success and positive reception leads to more horror franchises getting actual games. I'm so tired of seeing an IP I love get a game announcement only for it to be more faux-Dead by Daylight slop.

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u/Ok_Improvement_7738 5d ago

Robocop Rogue City was one of my favorite games of 2023. If the game had better voice actors for the characters outside of Peter Weller, it would've been top 5. AA games are doing things really well these days due to lack of investor scrutiny. They can go all out with their vision of what the game should be with little censorship.

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u/DuelaDent52 1d ago

They’ve done the Robocop game, they’ve done Terminator games, think there’s any hope they make a new Robocop vs. The Terminator?

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u/nonexistent-soul 5d ago

This is great news; I'm looking forward to eventually checking out this game. AA and indie games, and games from smaller studios in general, deserve a lot more focus.

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u/pizzacrys 5d ago

A focused horror game can hit way harder than a massive AAA release. Sometimes a strong vision is all you need.

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u/cobrastrikes-2x 5d ago

My wife got this for my birthday and it was an amazing gift. Truly it hits a lot of notes that made me happy with the original Hellraiser movies as well as what I enjoyed in games like resident evil and condemned. This was a game developed as a vulgar love note to movie lovers and gamers alike. They earned my extra fifteen dollars for that dlc.

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u/PerformerHopeful87 5d ago

I mean it’s fun and I’m
Enjoying it .

It’s 100% got whole sections lifted from Resident Evil 4 , but hey , imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and whatnot

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u/Dull-Culture-1523 5d ago

Cenobites also go to bingo?

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u/UrbanLegend8901 5d ago

Its a great game

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u/ltcuetf 5d ago

I completely agree. I’d much rather have a steady stream of quality AA games at a lower price point, with tighter scopes and shorter development cycles, than wait 6–8 years for every AAA behemoth to come out. Not every game needs a $200 million budget, 100 hours of content, and a decade of development. Give me a focused, polished 15–20 hour game for $40 any day. It’s obvious there’s an audience for these kinds of games and it’s exactly the sort of thing the industry needs to pay attention to.

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u/Severe_Journalist_75 5d ago

Let's gooooooo

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u/maschine02 5d ago

I think this is the single most fucked up game I have ever played. I gotta start goin to church again.

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u/Brigadierz- 5d ago

Terminator Resistance, Robocop Rouge City, the occasional Alien game, and now Hellraiser and great examples of competently made, respective adaptations of established franchises that give you exactly what you’d expect and nothing more. And really that’s all you need.

They used to be everywhere on PS2 so it’s nice they’re making a comeback. 

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u/TabibitoNoRoorensu 5d ago

Please fix the escape the chatter bug on hellraiser mode 😩

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u/Dave3087 5d ago

Ok I will.

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u/BludStanes 5d ago

I'm not certain they'll hear you

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u/psyopia 5d ago

As they just ditched Evil Dead The Game like an ugly stepchild. At least we still have servers up.

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u/TehRiddles 5d ago

AA budget games are among some of the best. We get fantastic quality not that far off from AAA budget games but the creativity that they don't dare touch.

You can make several AA games for the price of a typical AAA game and the audience is more likely to get something new and interesting as well to boot rather than what's safe and done before.

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u/bellystraw 5d ago

AA gaming space has been doing well recently and I hope we see more AA studios.

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u/FaceTimePolice 5d ago

This is a very good sign. More single player horror games that expand upon the canon lore, please. 😌

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u/CasualVox 5d ago

But it is a hell of a game to explain to your spouse when she comes in and you're rummaging around in the game looking for a spreader bar and a giant dildo...

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u/jus_browsin_ignoreme 4d ago

It was anything special. But it’s hellraiser so I hope they make more and make a great one some day.

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u/Sans-Mot 5d ago

I'm glad to hear that, but what is performing extremely not well at all is their preorders management. I'm still waiting for my collector edition, paid $300, more than one year ago... and I'm far from the only one in this situation.

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u/Kid_Presentable617 5d ago

https://youtu.be/SFYft5ITfp8

This is all I can think of when I think of this game now.

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u/Milk_Mindless 5d ago

YES THANK YOU

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u/BothRequirement2826 5d ago

Honestly I'm so glad they managed to pull off a proper single player adaptation. I hope it sets an example others will try to follow.

Also the fact that it reignited Clive Barker's love for the franchise is a nice bonus.

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u/worstcourtjester 5d ago

Hoping to pick it up on my next payday, I’ve heard really interesting things about it.

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u/Libertyprime8397 5d ago

I’m still waiting for my collectors edition to arrive.

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u/sadsackle 5d ago

Sensation supreme!

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u/Serdones 5d ago

It's been a pretty good year for mid-budget or double-A games. With publishers like Xbox and EA restructuring, selling off or closing studios that make more mid-budget games, or even triple-A studios like BioWare that don't reach the upper echelon of sales and whose games aren't perennial money printers (e.g. sports games), maybe the upside is we see more groundswell for up-and-coming studios that are smaller, leaner and more passionate.

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u/Chickenshit_outfit 4d ago

Brilliant game and loving it. The Field of Souls level i wish was longer as when song kicks in as you trying to find Sunny was great. One little nitpick is that cabin level which im currently stuck on. Please help i need more ammo

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u/emiliue 5d ago

i'm so conflicted rn. love the game itself... the atmospheric direction is badass and really captures that classic Clive Barker vibe i missed. but good lord the logistics?? been checking my order status daily since pre-order opened and it's just stuck in limbo. it ruins the hype cycle a bit when they can't even ship the physical stuff on time. hope they fix this for future releases because the digital experience is genuinely great.

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u/SaltySeahorses 5d ago

Honestly, they might call it AA, but it has the quality of AAA games to me.

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u/jus_browsin_ignoreme 4d ago

Play more games

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u/CipherDaBanana 5d ago

I would buy it but is this the same CEO that acted like a child when a writer was replaced with AI?

I don't want to give that man any of my money

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u/Empty_Socks 5d ago

Gameplay is freaking boring after a few hours 🤷‍♀️

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u/Sooowasthinking 5d ago

Wouldn’t know if was a AA or AAA or AAAA or what ever you want to make up to make it valuable.
You know what’s not performing well?? Getting the CE editions to the customers that preordered the game.Going on 14 days now with no game at all just a few emails.No shipping numbers no expected delivery whatsoever.

Maybe make sure the actual game gets to the fans before bragging about how Saber had done such a great job.

Kind of a key part ya know??

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u/ToonMasterRace 5d ago

What happens when you respect the source material. People are tired of "subverting expectations" or "a fresh spin on the concept"

If only Bioware listened.

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u/Resident-Forever1340 5d ago

Funny thing to say when we’re a few weeks away from a AAA behemoth that is almost guaranteed to not only be the best open world game ever created but the highest selling game of all-time. It’s cool that Hellraiser is performing above it’s initial small expectations but let’s not get delusional please.

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u/RadiantLindon 5d ago

Still need less of them. Doesn't mean that one should be gone.