How the grid penalties were applied

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u/Luke2222 Sep 10 '22

Sorry if the animations look a bit janky. I used PowerPoint to make this which was pretty awkward!

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u/ptwonline Sep 10 '22

Thank-you so much for putting that together.
It's so good that I bet it gets stolen many times ahead of the race.

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

It already was like 30 minutes after I posted it lol
One of them here has around 4k retweets and 38k likes which feels pretty weird tbh

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u/A_Wonder_Named_Stevi Sep 10 '22

Its does the job perfectly!
I'm only annoyed by the fact that the F1 themselves don't come up with these things. They must also see almost everyone scratching their heads, but they don't think about explaining it in a simple animation like this.

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u/scrandymurray Sep 10 '22

And then imagine a pundit talking over it and running through what the penalties were for.

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u/Adamskiiiiiiiii Sep 10 '22

The other problem is, how would we be able to work that out during a very fast paced qualifying session. No chance. It’s almost as if the TV graphics should pre-apply penalties for us.

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u/Figuurzager Sep 11 '22

In the after quali show this should be easily doable if you have the graphics and 'only' need to fill it with actual drivers and penalties.

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u/Orange_Pukeko Sep 11 '22

Well, you could cover it between Q1 and Q2 or Q2 and Q3. In this case Verstappen was the most relevant in Q3 because he was still likely to stay in the top 10. So you could boil it down to how many of the non-penalty drivers he'd have to beat to be in a certain position. Explain that between sessions and there's actual stakes in Q3.
Edit: this of course relies on the pundit knowing what the hell is going on.

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u/uristmcderp Sep 11 '22

Recent college grads with any degree that requires coding could do this kind of work on the fly. It's pretty typical intern/grad school work.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

Great work, wild to me that this isn’t a typical part of the opening broadcast while they are doing (or just before) the formation lap. Have to assume most viewers don’t actually understand how it works outside of one driver moving to the back, or other simple stuff.

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u/Vurmalkin Sep 11 '22

Question is then how much would this really add to the viewer experience of the casual viewer? Don't get me wrong I would like it if it was more clear, but I also know where to find the information I want to know.
Most of the casual viewers I talk with don't really care at all and just turn in for the race. They might wonder why Verstappen is starting so low, but once they hear he's got an engine penalty they are good to go.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

Max having a grid penalty is simple enough, on its own. What is happening in today’s race is very convoluted and much easier to follow through an animation like the OP did.
So, while I totally agree casual viewers will just say “oh ok, cool” when they see Max starting near the back…the other racers and their grid penalties make it a bit more involved. It wouldn’t be a life changing experience for viewers, but I’m sure it would be appreciated (and mildly interesting) for them. I’d be willing to bet the vast majority would rather see that than watch everyone trying to warm their tires on a formation lap — whether they actually cared how the sausage was made, or not.

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u/Zondagsrijder Sep 10 '22

All respect to Sam Collins, but F1 TV came up with stuff like this which got me confused more lmao

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u/Amazing_Safe_1070 Sep 11 '22

And it was also completely wrong. What cracks me up is when they interviewed Max he knew he was starting in 7th.

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u/ShawnShipsCars Sep 11 '22

I stopped paying attention to Sam when he said "sticky uppy bits" when referring to vortex generators etc.

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u/TrippleFrack Sep 11 '22

They see themselves as the Wizard of Oz, you shall never look behind their curtains.

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u/zulamun Sep 11 '22

Even the drivers were confused as fuck.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

Because someone on Reddit will do their work for them for free.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri Sep 11 '22

F1 is lazy in it's presentation abilities. I don't get it either. It's not like ESPN makes up the parts they're missing, like they do for mlb, nhl, nfl, etc. Us fans seem to gfill the gap.

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u/diegoelmestre Sep 10 '22

Thank you George

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u/InnieHelena Sep 10 '22

OP > George. FACTS.

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u/fssman Sep 11 '22

Gutted!!!

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u/Spekpannenkoek Sep 10 '22

Still great tho! Best explanation I’ve seen so far :)

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u/12temp Sep 10 '22

yeah this puts it perfectly. My ape brain needs visuals.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

Prepare for Sam Collins to present it tomorrow. Brilliant job, mate!

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

It looks awesome mate, best post I’ve seen about this. Perfectly visualised if you ask me.

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u/EnhancedEddie Sep 10 '22

Can you do this every race weekend lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

Yeah, I feel like they are using a different PowerPoint than me lol. This is incredible.

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u/Pedsy Sep 11 '22

Animations are actually very easy in PowerPoint.

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u/Amazing_Safe_1070 Sep 11 '22

OP hears this from Staceys all the time

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u/SuperNoice57 Sep 11 '22

Your graph just got stolen by Canal+ lol.

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/QYXmPRN

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Wow, that just blew my mind!

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u/Yyunggrimes Sep 11 '22

It was shown on Austrian TV as well. They said "we prepared a little graph for you (the viewers)" before the race. Now I check reddit and would you look at that 😆

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Ha! Love it :D
I feel weirdly honoured they decided it was good enough to claim it as their own lol

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u/vltz Sep 11 '22

Well that sounds quite scummy but most likely the on-screen personality had no idea where it actually came from.

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

It was also stolen by TV3 For the danish broadcast lmao

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

Gonna sue canal and tv3 for theft soon

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u/obstinateideas Sep 11 '22

Also Swedish Viaplay

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u/SuperNoice57 Sep 11 '22

Looking at the comments, it seems the whole world acutally used it ahah.

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Yeah it's pretty surreal seeing all the comments from people saying they saw it on TV

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u/Zibbax Sep 11 '22

Viaplay as well

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u/Experiment_2293 Sep 10 '22

I wish I had an award to give you cause that was good 👏🏻

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Trust me, this is more than enough! Thank you very much :D

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u/order65 Sep 11 '22

Your visualization was just used in the Austrian broadcast (ORF1), without mentioning you though.

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Shame they didn't give credit but it's pretty cool they used it. Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/Jojow_76 Sep 11 '22

LMAO Canal+ using your graphic without credits

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Ha, that's pretty cool. I just saw the clip on Twitter though to give them credit they did put my Twitter at the start. Looks like it was a few other broadcasters used it too but it looks like Canal+ were just about the only ones to give credit for it (although it looks like Portuguese TV used it and gave credit too, they just credited someone else who copied it from here)

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u/Jojow_76 Sep 11 '22

I missed the beggining because I was a bit late, but it’s cool if they put your Twitter ! Your graph was awesome it’s deserved

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u/Sorvaeroy Sep 11 '22

Your animation just got shown on Canal + (french broadcaster) main feed, great job !

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Thanks! It's pretty surreal seeing people say they saw my animation on TV. Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/Sorvaeroy Sep 11 '22

Not so bad for a PowerPoint :D

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u/Damos-22 Sep 11 '22

Your animation got used on ORF (Austria) without giving credit

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Shame they didn't give credit but it's pretty cool they decided to use it. Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

They used your visual at Viaplay Netherlands. Brief mention of you Twitter handle (luke888?) at the start.

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Damn, that's pretty cool! Glad they gave credit too, looks like it was used in a few places but most didn't bother. Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '22

Glad to do so.

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u/Procrastinator247365 Sep 11 '22

This animation was just used by the austrian TV

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Not gonna lie, that's pretty cool! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/rocknrollbreakfast Sep 11 '22

Austrian TV (ORF1) just used your graph in their live broadcast, I hope they asked for permission!

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Unfortunately they didn't but it's pretty cool they wanted to use it (and based on what others have said they even tried to claim it as theirs lol)

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u/rocknrollbreakfast Sep 11 '22

Yes they did say „we made this graphic here“, and after they cut back to the live feed one of the guys even said how cool the graphic was - so at least you can feel proud :)
I‘d still contact the station maybe, it‘s one thing if some random youtuber steals something, but a state owned TV channel really shouldn‘t do this kind of crap!

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u/DesTeck Sep 11 '22

Just saw that ORF (Austrian national television) used your animation. Just wanted to know if they asked for your permission?

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Unfortunately they didn't, in fact from what people have said they actually tried to claim it as their own lol
Pretty cool to see it was on TV though

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u/DesTeck Sep 11 '22

Iirc they said something along the lines of 'We prepared a graphic...' (Wir haben eine Grafik vorbereitet...) which doesnt necessarily imply they created it, but yeah, i can see how it could be interpreted that way.

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u/Manadoro Sep 11 '22

As expected, they just showed your animation on the Dutch F1 preview of Ziggo.

*Waves at Rob van Gameren*

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

You might have expected it but I certainly didn't lol
I thought there'd only be like 5 people that saw this or cared so it's pretty cool to know it was used by big broadcasters like Ziggo! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/kingdomi Sep 11 '22

Top die Rob!

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u/Eddiejo6 Sep 11 '22

They just used this clip in the swedish broadcast to show the grid penalties!

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

That's really cool! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/mattiejj Sep 11 '22

Viaplay used your animation!

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

That's pretty mental! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/CypherMK Sep 11 '22

They used this on the Dutch ViaPlay just now!

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

That's so cool! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/hermencool Sep 11 '22

Dutch Viaplay just used this animation in their official F1 broadcast

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

That's pretty mad! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/idavidl Sep 11 '22

Great visualization! It was used on ORF (Austrian Public Television channel), unfortunately without mentioning the source.

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Thank you! It's a shame they didn't give credit but it's pretty surreal knowing it was used on TV

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u/UberSquelch Sep 10 '22

OP, this is awesome. Can you make one just as clear that explains Ferrari's strategy for the race (any race)?

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

I think that's literally impossible. If they don't understand what they're doing, how can I lol

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u/helderdude Sep 11 '22

This animation was just used on Dutch tv to explain the penalties . Congratulations!

No credit given unfortunately.

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

Thank you! It's pretty cool they decided to use it :D

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u/helderdude Sep 11 '22

Yep, just goes to show how clear it's able to explain it !

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u/Equivalent_Fault_554 Sep 11 '22

My tv used this animstion lol

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

That's pretty cool! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/DaFrElUf Sep 11 '22 edited Sep 11 '22

Your animation was used in the austrian TV btw.

Edit: video

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u/Luke2222 Sep 11 '22

That's pretty mind blowing tbh! Thanks for letting me know :D

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u/wrdb2007 Sep 10 '22

That was very satisfying to watch lol

And also really helpful - thanks

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u/barak181 Sep 11 '22

Someone Tweet this to Pierre Gasly

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u/coffeeandbowties Sep 10 '22

thank you so much for this.

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u/coffeeandbowties Sep 10 '22

also op the animation here is excellent

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u/ThorsMeasuringTape Sep 10 '22

Cool graphic with the explanation.

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u/Dramatic-Rub-3135 Sep 10 '22

So if 19 drivers all got a 5 grid place penalty, and 1 driver got no penalty, he could move from 20th to pole?

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u/TWVer Sep 10 '22

This should get the “George Russell Powerpoint^TM”-Award.

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u/Mick4Audi Sep 10 '22

I don’t get people complaining, this is literally the best way to resolve grid penalties, as in the drivers that DON’T have them benefit

The way it was before if Leclerc had a 3-place penalty he’d still be on pole

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u/shar-teel Sep 10 '22

Yep, this way you start in the grid position you should after penalties (if possible, see Perez being unable to start p14)

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u/hs52 Sep 10 '22

We need to honor this man.

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