r/detrans • u/Glass_Classroom_3968 • 16h ago
NO POLITICS - DETRANS/DESIST ADVICE ONLY I got voice surgery in Korea and started HRT at 18 years old. I'm almost 21 now and a detransitioner. (Long Story)
Transition has been a large part of my life since I was 16 years old. Even now as a detransitioner, I have a sibling who's 17 and has recently come out as trans. For months I've been mulling over how to give my all to my sibling and be there for them. I want to be what I didn't have in my life when I was that age. I'm writing this as a way to organize my thoughts, and also to share a decently in-depth depiction of the role transition played in my life with others who would benefit from it.
To start, I'll describe my childhood. I'm new to reddit but I understand some abuse topics need some censorship. I was born and raised in Canada in a suburban middle-class white family. As a kid, I would have said I love my parents and that they're amazing, as most kids would, but as an adult I can understand the extend to which they've messed up with raising me and my two siblings. I didn't know what CSA (Child SA) looked like when I was younger. It didn't hurt me physically, and so my child brain thought that it was normal. My father was also physically abusive and emotionally abusive. He had really bad anger issues, and would over-react with physical harm to me and my siblings when we were younger, but especially to me because I was the only boy. Many times he would cover my mouth and nose and smother me, while yelling at me. I think I was as young as 5 years old, but I was sure I was going to die. He would also make fun of me for being autistic, and humiliate me in front of friends and family using times I had trusted him. In the past year, some repressed memories came back and I confronted my dad about his SA. Only then did I find out that is was not only a lot worse than I could remember, but that it also had happened to both of my siblings. I was a rather quiet kid for most of my life. I've had one best friend since I was 7, and many other friends that have come and gone, but I've spent a large portion of my life alone. I've exhibited autistic traits since I was 5 years old, but my parents never got me assessed. To this day, I'm certain I'm autistic but have still yet to get a formal assessment due to costs. My childhood trauma has certainly affected the way I process things, as well as plaguing me with several mental health challenges which have been intertwined with the formation of my identity.
My first exposure to the LGBT community was through my school when I was in 8th grade. My whole class was taught about transgender and gay people, and some stories were shared with us. I didn't think much of it at the time. I really didn't have much of a sense of identity at 12 years old. A couple years later, when I was 15, I came out to my mom and subsequently my dad as gay. I didn't have many friends in real life, so I had gravitated towards talking to people on discord servers. On there I met this 13 year old FTM trans kid who described their own experience on how they knew they were trans, and feelings they had. A lot of what they said was relatable to me. When I looked in the mirror I barely recognized myself. At that age I would often stare at myself in the mirror, but I had no idea why. I didn't fit in with other boys. I had never liked wearing suits or playing rough sports. I had even experimented with wearing dresses when I was a young child, and I did some stereotypically effeminate activities like making bracelets and necklaces out of flowers at school. I also felt a lot of shame around my sexuality at that age. I hadn't come out to anyone other than my parents and online friends, and so I constantly felt inauthentic and repressed. Later that year, when I was still 15, I started considering I may be non-binary. I could relate to the trans experience that my FTM online friend had described to me, and I really wanted to express myself more femininely. Because of my repression of my identity, I felt very scared expressing any kind of femininity or gender-bending expression, and so this desire to be feminine stayed as just a desire. Throughout this time period, I was working extremely hard in high school. I dedicated almost all of my time to my studies. I didn't use any drugs or alcohol, or hang out with many people. Soon after turning 16, I started to fully identify as a closeted trans girl. I wanted to start taking hormones, and through my limited research online, I saw that I would need to see a therapist first, so I reached out to a therapist to discuss autism and gender identity, primarily. She isn't first and foremost a gender affirming therapist. She specializes in addiction and works with a lot of children, and happens to have a lot of experience with trans people. I still see her sometimes to this day, and I think she's a good therapist. When I first started talking to her about my gender identity, our primary focus was on dismantling the intense anxiety and fear around expressing myself, and to take small steps to express myself the way I wanted to. She gave me small goals — like to buy one article of female clothing — and I would accomplish them and grow slightly more confident each time. I started growing my hair out, I got my ears pierced, and I started to dress androgynously rather than the masculine t-shirts and shorts I had gotten so used to. I even went to a pride parade with my family. At the time, I felt happy to see so many other gay and trans people. It made me feel less alone. I kept on building my confidence with my therapist. She wrote a letter for me to take to my doctor saying that I expressed significant distress related to gender dysphoric issues. My doctor referred me to an endocrinologist. After a few months, when I was still 16, my appointment with that endocrinologist to start HRT came, but I was too scared to commit fully to being a girl at that age, and I cancelled. My life continued on like this for another year or so. I got accepted into a prestigious math program, and moved away to university to dive head first into my studies at 17 years old. In the first month or so at university, I had actually felt for the most part very happy with who I was. It was probably the happiest I had ever been in my life. I was working so hard on my future. I was singing in choir and finding the voice that I had suppressed my entire life. I was making new friends and talking to new people. However, despite being in such a great place in my life, I had not forgotten about my trans identity, and at many times I still felt a strong and deep longing to be a girl. I had a group of exclusively female friends at university, in which I was the only boy. I felt happy in that environment. I cherished my female friendships, because they made me feel like I belonged in a way that I didn't often get in my male friendships. I would sometimes leave my choir rehearsals in tears, because to me they represented the most beautiful expression of authentic expression and community I had ever seen, and yet I didn't feel fully authentic. There aren't many things as beautiful to me as giving your voice and your expression to your community to be a part of something larger. I wanted so desperately to be a girl singing in the choir. I wanted to experience that same beautiful and healing community but as the person I had been wanting to be for years. That feeling every time I went to choir tore me down, and after just a couple months of it, I decided I needed to transition and be that authentic version of myself. I contacted the gender affirming care sector of campus health at my university, and got an appointment to start HRT through informed consent. My appointment was scheduled for right after my 18th birthday in December. I went to the appointment, and a nurse practitioner read through the effects of spironolactone and estradiol, asked me which effects I desired — I wanted fully female hormone levels so I was given the treatment plan with both — and after a blood test I was started on spironolactone. It was a very emotional moment for me, as it signified the moment that I had the bravery to become the person I had wanted to be for years. Due to incorrect liver enzyme readings because of a common cold, I had to wait 3 more months before starting estradiol. However, in that time I had already committed myself fully to presenting like a girl. I bought many make-up products, and wore eyeliner and mascara most places I went, and some more androgynous female clothing like sweaters along with yoga pants. I felt extremely self-conscious in public almost all the time. I came out to my friends at university, and they said they accepted me and tried their best to remember to use female pronouns for me, although they never treated me like a girl, and excluded me from rooming with them in a shared apartment for second year. They said that girls weren't allowed to live with guys, which really dug that impostor syndrome dagger deep. I felt like eyes were on me a lot of the time, and although it was very played up in my mind, it's true that many people looked at me with a confused and judgmental look. Living like this was hard, but eventually my sense of confidence started to skyrocket from this prolonged exposure to judgement. Despite all the trauma I have from my transition, I might not be this confident of a person today if I hadn't gone through it. My first year of university was coming to a wrap, and I had already been considering voice surgery for several months. I should NEVER have been considering such a life-altering surgery just a few months after committing to my transition, but as a singer my voice is such a large part of who I am, and I was not satisfied at all with the voice training I had done up until then. My voice was exceptionally deep for a male. I had one of the lowest voices in my choir of about 60 people, easily projecting fortissimo notes as low as C2. I felt like my voice was the most masculine thing about my body, and the biggest thing holding me back from living as a girl. I compared myself to trans girls I would see online whose voices hadn't deepened much, and it was the most awful feeling knowing that I would never get to have my high pre-pubescent voice back. Voice surgery was my only hope in my mind at getting my high voice back, and so I obsessed over it. I spend dozens of hours reading medical journals about all the different vocal feminization surgeries, and finding opinions from doctors and experiences from people who have gotten these surgeries. I decided that VFSRAC (Vocal fold shortening and retrodisplacement of the anterior commissures) yielded the best results while being less risky than many of the other surgeries, and so I booked my surgery in Korea, and talked to my dad about financial support for the surgery. I had saved enough money from my high school job to cover the approximate $13,000 CAD cost of the surgery, but my dad offered to pay for it. Within a few months I was on my flight to Korea. To say the experience was stressful would be a massive understatement. I was 18 years old and on the other side of the planet about to receive a life-changing irreversible surgery. The night before the surgery, I panicked like I had never panicked in my life. I emailed my therapist and had an impromptu emergency therapy session. She assured me that I had already done my thinking, and that further thinking about this decision wouldn't help me at this point. She assured me to trust my self that made the decision to come here. The morning of the surgery came, and I went to the clinic. I got prepped for the surgery, but I burst into tears in front of the nurses. I was so scared, unlike I had ever been in my life. My surgeon came in to talk to me. He told me that I wasn't scared about the surgery, but rather that I was scared about committing to my transition. He told me that I had two decisions. I could cancel the surgery, and have the option to come back in two years, or I could get my surgery now. He left me to think for 15 minutes. I was so overwhelmed, but I had this vision in my mind of the girl I wanted to be. I wanted to be brave and take my life into my own hands. I wiped my tears away, stared out the window for those 15 minutes, and let them know I was ready for surgery. That morning is forever seared into my mind as one of the most stressful days of my life. The surgery was short, and when I woke up I was met with my dad and my nurse, accompanied by an extremely swollen tongue and a dry throat like you could not imagine. I was not allowed to drink water for the first hour or so, but after that I had some water to drink and ice cream to eat. I was on a strict two month complete vocal rest, and so I could only communicate through typing on my phone. My brain is very procedural, and because I had already gotten it done, the only thing to think about was my recovery process, and executing it perfectly. The flight back to Canada was awful with the stress of getting sick or dehydrated, but once I had gotten home, I only had to cruise through the next two months of complete vocal rest. It was challenging. I didn't have a voice, and therefore couldn't stick up for myself in conflicts or even communicate simple things. I had one close friend I hung out with during that period, and she was a massive support to me. She accepted me 100% as a girl, and was someone I cherished. Those two months were slow, but eventually they were up and I could say my first word with my new voice. I spoke, and my voice was so soft and light. There's truly nothing like trying out your new voice, and so it's hard to describe how I felt. Having this higher voice was very very euphoric to me at first, and I rode that high for several months. I felt like I was finally able to be a girl, and the one obstacle keeping me from it was now gone. I went out and felt so much more confident in my body. I also committed to living in a female dorm for my next year of university, and coming back to choir I was able to sing in the alto section and get vocal coaching from our director as an alto. My voice was higher, but I still looked physically male in most ways. I had been on hormone therapy for less than a year, and I had not gotten any cosmetic surgeries. I still got misgendered a ton, and my everyday life of living on a university campus as a trans girl who didn't pass took a toll on my mental health in a very severe way over time. My impostor syndrome really ate at me. I wanted to hide away in my room so much of the time because I felt like a fake and I didn't want people to see me. I even hid from my own roommates because I felt so ashamed to appear as a male living in a female dorm. For context, I reached out to both of them before we moved in and told them I was a trans girl because I didn't want to make anyone uncomfortable. It was a null factor to them. Neither of them even really mentioned it, but I still couldn't help but worry. In retrospect, I really don't think either of them ever cared at all. My anxiety just played it up in my mind. I finished my first term like this. I passed all of my courses — except for linear algebra 2 — and performed as an alto in my choir's end of term performance. At this point I was still very happy with my transition overall, and I had already been planning my facial feminization surgery in Korea. It was to happen in December, just days before my 19th birthday. My dad offered to pay for this surgery too, although it was far more expensive than voice surgery. For months before the surgery, doubts circled through my mind. This anxiety around having to appear like a girl to people was so much to bear, and so I found comfort in taking breaks from it; I would wear some of my old male t-shirts and pants and get out of my dorm and look pretty androgynous. Even when I didn't make an effort to look female, I still got gendered as female maybe 50% of the time due to my high voice and the effects of almost a year of HRT on my body. I really liked the relief from the extreme pressure I put on myself to look like girl, and that relief catalyzed the beginning of my detransition. I stopped wanting to put myself through the constant effort of trying to look like a girl. I went out all the time wearing what I found comfortable rather than what was feminine. I just avoided scenarios where I was confronted with gender. Choir is heavily gendered, though, and so I started having a rough time showing up to that. I already did not pass perfectly when I was trying to, and so standing with a bunch of girls and women rather than the guys in the choir while not even trying to look like a girl made me feel like such an outcast. I had my director move me to the tenor section. I could not comfortably sing tenor, but at least I was able to blend in more. Not too long after starting to sing tenor, I started having severe problems with my voice. I would get pains often, and I could not talk whatsoever without my voice breaking into a hoarse crackly sound. That was the result of severe vocal tremors from using my modified vocal folds in a way they weren't supposed to be used. This made my depression spiral into something far worse than it had ever been. I felt so lost and hurt, and like I was damaged goods. I self harmed, and I thought about taking my life every day. When the time came for my facial feminization surgery, I ended up canceling it just a few days before my flight to Korea. At this point I knew I didn't want to keep trying to transition. I didn't identify as a male at that time. I still felt like a trans girl, but I had realized that the reality of living as a trans girl was so different from what I thought it would be. In my mind, I thought that after a certain point I would be able to live seamlessly as a girl, but I don't think my expectations were realistic. In the first year of my detransition, I was in a lot of mental anguish, and became an alcoholic as a maladaptive coping mechanism. I was kicked out of my house for it, and although that was a very difficult experience for me, my life has been so much better since. That was when I remembered the repressed memories of CSA, and started my process of working through it. I also was able to further separate myself from my family, and start to believe that I am capable of surviving without them. It does wonders to start building your identity separate from your abusers. I learned a lot about what it means to be yourself, and to express yourself. I learned to view my own identity less through the lens of how I'm viewed by others, and to stop striving to get others to view me the way I want to be seen. That's not something that's within my control. Nowadays, at almost 21 years old and being given another two years to reflect on my past, I think so much less about how people perceive me. That's to say I'm slightly further along in that aspect of my lifelong journey. My gender identity is not something I think about as often now. I'm trying to focus on things like work and relationships and school. As an autistic person, mentalizing is a universal struggle, and part of that struggle pertains to understanding your place in the world and who you are. For autistic people, that takes a little bit more time and effort, which goes hand in hand with the exorbitant correlation between autistic people and transgender people. I still have problems with vocal tremors, and I'm returning to my clinic in a matter of weeks to try and resolve the issues I live with. Despite the trauma I deal with, I'm taking slow steps to build my life up, and I'm proud of who I am, and the love that I have to give to my siblings, friends, and loved ones.
What I'd like to say to my teenage sibling — and to anyone else who is in the same position I was in at that age — is to hear my story and understand the growth than can happen in a few years time. Understand that you're at an age where it's natural to be finding your place in the world and figuring out who you are. Let yourself have the time to grow and understand your mind more before making medical decisions that will stay with you your whole life. Separate yourself from your abusers and let yourself grow apart from them. Let yourself experience multiple different communities and lifestyles.
I've attached a few pictures of myself ordered from oldest to newest, like a timeline. I wanted to add more from my detransition period, but I think I ran out of room in this post.
If you can relate to my experience, or have any comments or questions, feel free to leave a comment and I'll try to get back to you.