r/baduk • • 22h ago

go news Fairness and Accessibility of AI-Cheating Appeals: Immediate Bans and the Burden of In-Person Proof

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Fairness and Accessibility of AI-Cheating Appeals: Immediate Bans and the Burden of In-Person Proof

I understand and support the need to prevent AI-assisted cheating on OGS. However, my experience with an account suspension and the subsequent appeal process has raised serious concerns about the fairness and accessibility of the current system.

I am not writing simply to demand the restoration of my account. My purpose is to raise a broader issue: whether the appeal process provides a meaningful opportunity for players whose only practical place to play Go is online.

1. Banned after the first game

On August 22, 2026, I played my first game on my OGS account, EmmyNoether.

  • Game ID: 89982388
  • Result: I won as Black by resignation after 187 moves.
  • Outcome: The game was annulled, and my account was suspended for suspected AI assistance.

I did not use AI assistance during this game.

The moderation team explained that two detection systems had flagged the game and that a dan-level moderator had independently reviewed it. Figures such as 85 "blue moves" were cited in support of the decision.

Despite my denial and subsequent appeal, the decision was not reversed.

This account was suspended after just one game, without a prior warning.

2. The evidence required for an appeal

The moderators suggested that I provide independent evidence of my playing strength and identity, such as games played in a setting where AI assistance was not possible, verified by a club, tournament organizer, or other independent party.

But not every Go player has access to such opportunities.

Some people can only play regularly online because of geographical, physical, or personal circumstances. I am among those for whom online Go is the primary practical option.

If restoring an account effectively requires in-person games and independent witnesses, such players may have no realistic way to satisfy those conditions.

Alternative forms of evidence could be proposed, but no clear objective criteria were provided for determining what would be sufficient. The evaluation was described as ultimately subjective.

3. Evidence I provided

During the appeal, I submitted or presented supporting information, including:

  • Six game records from Yugen no Ma, operated by the Nihon Ki-in, where I had achieved a 7-dan rank.
  • Records of my playing history on other online Go servers.
  • Evidence of tournament participation and results, including a tournament victory.
  • Information relating to independent assessments of my playing strength.

I also obtained an assessment of the disputed game from a professional Go player in Japan.

The assessment recognized high-dan playing ability in the game, while also expressing reservations about certain moves. It did not claim to establish conclusively whether AI had been used.

I understand that previous game records and professional opinions cannot, by themselves, prove that AI was not used in a particular online game.

Nevertheless, I was unable to obtain a sufficiently clear explanation of how such evidence could be evaluated or what additional evidence would realistically satisfy the requirements.

After a prolonged appeal process, the matter was closed on September 20, 2026, without the suspension being reversed.

4. A troubling imbalance

Another concern is that admitting AI use was presented as a possible route to account restoration.

For someone who did not use AI, however, admitting to something they did not do is not an acceptable solution.

This creates a troubling imbalance: accepting an accusation may offer a relatively straightforward path to restoration, while maintaining one's innocence can require evidence that may be practically impossible to obtain.

I question whether this is a fair structure for an appeals system.

5. Suggestions for improvement

I believe OGS should consider:

  1. Clearer safeguards and review standards before permanently or indefinitely restricting a new account after its first game.
  2. Accessible appeal procedures for players who cannot participate in independently supervised, in-person games.
  3. Clearer guidance on acceptable evidence and how it is assessed.
  4. Meaningful explanations of appeal decisions, while protecting confidential anti-cheating detection methods.
  5. A process that does not make admitting an alleged violation easier than pursuing a genuine claim of innocence.

I am not asking OGS to weaken its protection against AI cheating.

Preventing cheating and protecting innocent players from wrongful punishment are both essential parts of a fair moderation system.

For players who can only enjoy Go online, losing access to a Go server is not a trivial matter.

I am sharing this experience and these concerns in the hope that OGS and the community will give them consideration.

I do not intend to reopen my individual appeal through this post, nor do I plan to engage in an extended debate. I hope the issues raised here can be considered on their own merits, regardless of whether I participate in further discussion.


r/baduk • • 22h ago

Fairness and Accessibility of AI-Cheating Appeals: Immediate Bans and the Burden of In-Person Proof Spoiler

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I understand and support the need to prevent AI-assisted cheating on OGS. However, my experience with an account suspension and the subsequent appeal process has raised serious concerns about the fairness and accessibility of the current system.

I am not writing simply to demand the restoration of my account. My purpose is to raise a broader issue: whether the appeal process provides a meaningful opportunity for players whose only practical place to play Go is online.

1. Banned after the first game

On August 22, 2026, I played my first game on my OGS account, EmmyNoether.

  • Game ID: 89982388
  • Result: I won as Black by resignation after 187 moves.
  • Outcome: The game was annulled, and my account was suspended for suspected AI assistance.

I did not use AI assistance during this game.

The moderation team explained that two detection systems had flagged the game and that a dan-level moderator had independently reviewed it. Figures such as 85 "blue moves" were cited in support of the decision.

Despite my denial and subsequent appeal, the decision was not reversed.

This account was suspended after just one game, without a prior warning.

2. The evidence required for an appeal

The moderators suggested that I provide independent evidence of my playing strength and identity, such as games played in a setting where AI assistance was not possible, verified by a club, tournament organizer, or other independent party.

But not every Go player has access to such opportunities.

Some people can only play regularly online because of geographical, physical, or personal circumstances. I am among those for whom online Go is the primary practical option.

If restoring an account effectively requires in-person games and independent witnesses, such players may have no realistic way to satisfy those conditions.

Alternative forms of evidence could be proposed, but no clear objective criteria were provided for determining what would be sufficient. The evaluation was described as ultimately subjective.

3. Evidence I provided

During the appeal, I submitted or presented supporting information, including:

  • Six game records from Yugen no Ma, operated by the Nihon Ki-in, where I had achieved a 7-dan rank.
  • Records of my playing history on other online Go servers.
  • Evidence of tournament participation and results, including a tournament victory.
  • Information relating to independent assessments of my playing strength.

I also obtained an assessment of the disputed game from a professional Go player in Japan.

The assessment recognized high-dan playing ability in the game, while also expressing reservations about certain moves. It did not claim to establish conclusively whether AI had been used.

I understand that previous game records and professional opinions cannot, by themselves, prove that AI was not used in a particular online game.

Nevertheless, I was unable to obtain a sufficiently clear explanation of how such evidence could be evaluated or what additional evidence would realistically satisfy the requirements.

After a prolonged appeal process, the matter was closed on September 20, 2026, without the suspension being reversed.

4. A troubling imbalance

Another concern is that admitting AI use was presented as a possible route to account restoration.

For someone who did not use AI, however, admitting to something they did not do is not an acceptable solution.

This creates a troubling imbalance: accepting an accusation may offer a relatively straightforward path to restoration, while maintaining one's innocence can require evidence that may be practically impossible to obtain.

I question whether this is a fair structure for an appeals system.

5. Suggestions for improvement

I believe OGS should consider:

  1. Clearer safeguards and review standards before permanently or indefinitely restricting a new account after its first game.
  2. Accessible appeal procedures for players who cannot participate in independently supervised, in-person games.
  3. Clearer guidance on acceptable evidence and how it is assessed.
  4. Meaningful explanations of appeal decisions, while protecting confidential anti-cheating detection methods.
  5. A process that does not make admitting an alleged violation easier than pursuing a genuine claim of innocence.

I am not asking OGS to weaken its protection against AI cheating.

Preventing cheating and protecting innocent players from wrongful punishment are both essential parts of a fair moderation system.

For players who can only enjoy Go online, losing access to a Go server is not a trivial matter.

I am sharing this experience and these concerns in the hope that OGS and the community will give them consideration.

I do not intend to reopen my individual appeal through this post, nor do I plan to engage in an extended debate. I hope the issues raised here can be considered on their own merits, regardless of whether I participate in further discussion.


r/baduk • • 2h ago

Celebrating my AI Master's with a Go-themed cake 🍰

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r/baduk • • 6h ago

Wait, was Junghwan jacked the whole time?

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Guns blazing, jebus H


r/baduk • • 3h ago

I vibe coded an open source OGS client

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Since it's illegal, in the US, for anything produced by AI to hold a copyright, I vibe coded an open source OGS client. I know. . . I know. . . I didn't do any work. But still. . . It's open to the community.

The way I look at it is, if it's open sourced, it isn't as bad as some corporation using it to make a billion dollars. I paid for the AI tokens. I'm using them for good.

It's compatible with Mac, Windows, and Linux.

It features the ability to watch public matches, play your own matches, get server messages and notifications, join chatrooms, and some pretty appealing graphics.

https://github.com/ki4jgt/Goban

Again. . . I didn't create any of it.


r/baduk • • 21h ago

newbie question First Go game! Thoughts?

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r/baduk • • 19h ago

What should White (Lee Changho) play in this game?

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r/baduk • • 19h ago

go news Lee Changho's 40 years of Professional Career

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r/baduk • • 1h ago

European Go Szene as Network Simulation

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This is a fun little way to look at the Data of the European Go Database. Every node is a player and every edge is a game between two players. The nodes are pushing appart and the edges pull together. Resulting in this network view.

Picture 1: colored by country, top right island is Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan. Blue in the middle are french Go players.
Picture 2: colored by strength, all the strong players (pink and orange) are in the center, they often travel more and play international matches
Picture 3&4. Examples from individual players
Picture 3&4. Examples from individual players
Lithuainia
Ukraine
Colored by % of International Matches

r/baduk • • 5h ago

1 stone to match invasions

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I know this seems obvious now but I was always nervous of invading because I worried that if I messed up, that I would be giving my stones to my opponent…

However just last week I realized that if my opponent has to answer my invasion, even if just to stop a cut or something… I may lose the stone and my opponent still gets that free spot. BUT his/her stone that was used to block mine also reduces their territory by 1… so it’s a wash. Invading is only ever bad if your opponent don’t play and you still lose the stones!!

Anyway, just thinking about it and it’ll make me more aggressive in my invasions.


r/baduk • • 5h ago

Tsumego hero site?

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I tried to go to https://tsumego-hero.com and the server has been offline for a while. Did it close?

It was so good for exercises!


r/baduk • • 6h ago

Is this black Group dead or does more need to be done to capture it?

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r/baduk • • 12h ago

newbie question Finding A Teacher/More Resources

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So, over the last five months I've been trying to improve at Go. I've reached 17k (though just dropped to 18k) on OGS, 11k on Fox, and 13k on Panda so I know I am improving, but I feel like maybe I haven't found the right method for learning.

I've read The Second Book of Go, Lessons in the Fundementals of Go, and the first 3 books in Learn to Play Go books by Janice Kim, as well as watched videos from Go Magic, StrugglebusGo, and Triton Baduk every now and again but it feels like things stick for maybe a day or 2 and then I reset.

I'd like to find a teacher, but I don't really have the budget to get lessons more than once a month unless someone knows a place where I could find cheaper lessons, but also if anyone knows any good resources that are good about showing and explaining concepts