r/Ontelong • u/[deleted] • Jun 21 '15

Villages, Settlements, Borders, and Mapping Main Discussion.

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u/[deleted] Jun 25 '15

Here's how I see it:

The Ractecs own basically all of eastern and middle Canada and a fair chunk of the U.S too. Despite mostly being at fault for this war, the Chorgers are constantly pressured by this "manifest destiny" ideology of the rodent-like spread of Ractecs, and have been driven all the way to the edge of Southern Atlantic U.S. There are Chorger settlements all over Ontelong in places other than the U.S south, but they're scarce.

Meanwhile, Fekfers run Central America, and are the border and trade/trade-looting society of Ontelong's middle.

Every other race lives in South America, which while not war-driving, makes things crowded and high in population density, as well as biologically realistic.

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u/warnhalmcunicorn Jun 25 '15

I see the Ontelongian states/societies in a more tribal context. Similar to how the Native/First Nations tribes lived alongside one another in the US. Not necessarily peacefully, mind you.

In this context, I see the Ractec as being similar to the historical Iroquois. They inhabited the areas in and around the eastern Great Lakes, St. Lawrence river and good chunks of the northeastern US/southeastern Canada. See this map for a picture of the territory of the Five Nations which the Iroquois belong to and ruled the vast territory alongside in the laste 1600s/early1700s.

Around 1670, the Iroquois (Ractec) drove the Siouan-speaking Mannahoac (Chorgers) tribe out of the northern Virginia Piedmont region. They began to claim ownership of the territory by right of conquest. [excerpt from wiki page]

See what I'm getting at? This parallel can easily be followed through most of the early colonial times via French and Indian Wars (Ractec and Chroger-centric war with help from other groups), territorial disputes (over boundaries, who owns what, access to water, wood, etc), and tit-for-tats (you kill mine, I kill yours sort of thing) that lasted all the way up until the WW1 era in varying forms.

Regarding Ontelong, I think it more realistic that the Chorgers would scatter in all directions and thrive than them clumping together after being expelled from their historic homeland. YMMV.

I do not see the Fekfers as running Central America. It is more likely from a biological standpoint that they would share control of these lands with the Ponlong and possibly other groups. Central America is a very diverse landscape, after all.

I agree with your last statement for the most part. The Vafer, Ecitone, Ponlong, Langluce, and maybe some as yet unnamed groups would all maintain territory there. Someone also mentioned the idea of a homeland area where the groups could meet in times of great need too.

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u/Lifelikeahobo Jun 22 '15

If its just North America and some of South America and not a made up map it probably wouldn't be much to just google a picture of it then add lines in paint. Idk how many artists we have in the thread but I mean that would get the job done. Maybe we can throw around some ideas for City/vilage names for each race. Also I think it would be cool to sort of rename current land marks like the Grand Cannon, Mississippi River, Great Lakes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '15

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u/Lifelikeahobo Jun 22 '15

What would also be really cool if (we can polish this or throw it out just an idea) the battle at the gran cannon was over territory and the Chorgers had it made their Capitol or maybe just a big city inside the cannon and once they had started the war with the Ractec took it over by building a series of damns then releasing the water in to the cannon essentially flooding it and destroying the Chorgers city entirely. The result of this lead to the peace treaties being made. The Ractec then kept the cannon flooded and it became their capital.

Idea credit for the flooding as a war weapon to u/warnhalmcunicorn

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '15

The Battle of Scorch Bottom.

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u/Lifelikeahobo Jun 22 '15

Why scorch?

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u/warnhalmcunicorn Jun 23 '15

I think the Vafers would be involved in this battle as well. The Grand Canyon // Scorch Bottom would likely under their jurisdiction. The Vafers would be more the likely adversaries on the southern front of the Ractec Territory than the Chorgers, imo.

Unless armadillos are also considered Chorgers...

Even then, I still think the Vafer would be involved on some level. It's just seems wrong to leave them out of a major battle that is practically on their desert turf.

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u/Lifelikeahobo Jun 23 '15

True true. What if instead of the Chorgers starting the war they were forming an alliance with the Vafers. In response the R would flood the cannon which was the main base of operation. They did this because an alliance between the two would be far too powerful and slightly evil/ destructive.

I keep seeing the R as the "good" race idk why

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u/warnhalmcunicorn Jun 29 '15

Just posting a link to my map thread here.