r/Madden • u/TheWunderwaffe Vanguard Party • Nov 14 '19
Guide / Tool Guide: Dynamic Dev Trait for Madden 20
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
There is a typo in the example above. Deshaun Watson's initial dev is Superstar Dev, not Star dev.
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u/NJ_Yinzer Nov 14 '19
I don't get what you mean by the lower two tiers. Games started plus 8? also why are some of the Super star tiers the same number?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
Games started must be greater than 8. In some cases SS tier and X tier overlap. I'm guessing EA did that because they took away the chances for dev traits to regress. At first I was taken back by how small the tier numbers are but it makes sense. In an online league unless you have a really stud member you're almost never going to consistently get 1-2. So should allow for the league to get some ability players but not become over saturated.
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u/NJ_Yinzer Nov 14 '19
So essentially going from normal development to star development is a crap shoot in terms of stats? Or am I mistaking you? How do the stats fit into the star tier?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
It's not a crapshoot. It's how it's laid out in the guide. If the average stat ranking of a normal dev player lands them in at least the next highest tier they'll get a single increase in dev.
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u/AndydaAlpaca Nov 21 '19
You should probably write it as GS>8 rather than GS+8
They mean very different things. If you're really attached to the plus then GS 8+ makes more sense.
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u/Pookapotamus Nov 14 '19
How reliable is the TE dev upgrade? Because I had a star dev TE who was 1st in yards and TDs but didn't get upgraded.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
This is straight from the code. So it's only as reliable as the game's ability to execute it.
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u/Pookapotamus Nov 14 '19
How does it calculate Ties? Such as 3 players being 1st for TEs. Because he was 1st in yards but tied for 1st for TDs with 2 others.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
It's based on the average rank. So if two TEs tie with an average rank of 2 they'll both get the bump
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u/Rasser58 Nov 30 '19
The TE dev trait is busted from the reference code they're using. Its pulling from all receivers ranking rather than just TE ranking.
else if (playerDevTrait == TraitDevelopment.Star){ if (GamesStarted >= 8) {
int RecTDRank = StatManager.FindPlayerRankingByStat(player, PositionE.TE, StatType.ReceiveTDs)
int RecYDSRank = StatManager.FindPlayerRankingByStat(player, PositionE.TE, StatType.ReceiveYards)
int AverageRank = (((RecTDRank * 10) + (RecYDSRank * 10))/2)/10
if (AverageRank <
= 2)
Even if it reads like its not in the code, there's a lot of instances of it being inaccurate.
For SS TE dev to SSXF TE is also the same requirement as Star to SS for TE, which shouldn't be the case.else if (position == PositionE.TE) {
if (playerDevTrait == TraitDevelopment.Superstar)
{ int RecTDRank = StatManager.FindPlayerRankingByStat(player, PositionE.TE, StatType.ReceiveTDs)
int RecYDSRank = StatManager.FindPlayerRankingByStat(player, PositionE.TE, StatType.ReceiveYards)
int AverageRank = (((RecTDRank * 10) + (RecYDSRank * 10))/2)/10
if (AverageRank <
= 2)
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u/TheWunderwaffe Dec 01 '19
In what you copy/pasted it's doing the opposite of what you're saying.
(player,PositionE.TE,StatType.ReceiveYards) is pulling the player receiving stats of TEs only. All of the positions run that same pull respective to those positions.
And as for SS TE dev and SSX TE Dev having the same requirement that's not wrong. QB, HB, DT, LE, RE, CB, FS, & SS all do the same thing.
That code itself is not wrong. There's another error somewhere outside of the references that is causing the issue that has been a legacy problem since last year.
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u/JstKrzn Mar 20 '20
Just finished a season where my star TE was 1st in receptions for the league, and 1st for TEs for yards and TDs and no dev upgrade. Its definately broke.
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u/Chance_DaWrapper Nov 14 '19
So since the QB and RB go 1-4 but then 4-4 during superstar, does that mean they cannot upgrade to superstar and only x factor?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
If a player is star and they finish 1-4 they'll get a bump to SS dev. You can only receive a single bump from this. Stickied comment has details.
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u/Afroman867 Nov 14 '19
In the example it says that a 6 will place Deshaun Watson in the Superstar tier, but the superstar tier is from 4-4. Am I reading something wrong? Also what does Games Started +8 mean? Am I adding 8 to the average? Does the player need to play 8 games? This is a great guide, but there seems to be something missing.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
See pinned comment. Was a typo in example.
Games started is a stat that you can't see that EA tracks. If a player is in the starter position of your DC when you start a game it counts as a game started. The +8 means they have to start at least 8 games in order to be eligible for a dev bump.
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Nov 14 '19
It might be solo tackles and total tackles
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
It's not. It's total tackles and total tackles.
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u/BalooSC Nov 14 '19
So it's double dipping total tackles to figure out their average?
Example: 10th in total tackles, 10th in total tackles, 5th in total PBU = Average rank 8.33 as opposed to 7.5 (10th total tackles, 5th PBU)?
Thanks again for putting this together, some of it seems bugged in general (TE have seen 1st in both not go up from star).
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u/Seiyith Nov 14 '19
So only the 4th best QB gets SS? Am I reading this right?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
If the average of their rank in PassTDs and PassYDs is 4 or less then they'll get a bump
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u/Seiyith Nov 14 '19
That seems like an exceptionally small window. Appreciate the insight.
Means my 73% completion percentage 4th highest passer rating in the league Wentz won’t make it because he’s only a cumulative 6th in volume. EA 🙄
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Nov 14 '19
Can you explain the two bottom ones for HB and QB for me? So is that the bar that is used for QBs and HB that have 8+ TDS and 800+ rushing yards or 8+ Rec TD and 800+ Rec yards?
Notice the superstar tier is wider.
And so my Kyler Murray who will win the MVP is only going to upgrade from a star to superstar?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
Yes those brackets are for those with those stats who didn't meet the requirements at the top.
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u/SexyMcBeast Nov 15 '19
I'll admit I'm confused by the bottom category as well.
In my online league I have a superstar RB who's ~ 10th in the rushing categories, but is by far #1 in receiving yards and receiving TDs. Has over a dozen TDs and 1,000 yards receiving. Since he's #1 in both, he should get an x factor Dev upgrade for the receiving stats despite not qualifying for the rushing stats, correct?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
No, he still has to qualify for the rushing rankings mentioned. If he meets those requires AND meets the receiving requirements he'll get a bump.
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u/CXFB122302 Nov 15 '19
Any idea if there is any way for Linemen to gain dev trait upgrades? I assume it is not stat based so it’s not included in your charts, still wondering if anyone knows though? Thanks.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
OL can't gain an increase sadly. For my online league I implemented my own system
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u/CXFB122302 Nov 15 '19
Would you mind sharing? I’ve thought about it but haven’t really found a good system
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
It's pretty simple
Offensive Line Dynamic Dev Trait
This is implemented to add a dynamic dev trait to OL. As it stands now, X-factor is still not implemented to leagues running before their patch, so this rule will change once we get that update. The top 5 teams in Total Offensive Yards, Passing Yards, and Rushing Yards are eligible to receive development trait bumps to members of their OL. This is a one level bump. The top 3 teams of each category can choose up to 2 olinemen, and the remaining 2 teams of each category can choose up to 1 olinemen, as long as they meet the criteria listed below. Being top 5 in multiple categories does not grant more dev bumps. Criteria
selected olineman cannot have received a bump in the previous season
If olineman is currently star dev, they are not eligible for a bump to superstar dev if they have given up more than 5 sacks on the year. If the olineman is an OT this number is raised to 7.
If player position is changed they will be judged on what position they played the most that season.
If olineman is currently normal dev, they are not eligible for a bump to star dev if they have given up more than 10 sacks on the year. If the olineman is an OT this number is raised to 12.
If player position is changed they will be judged on what position they played the most that season.
selected OL must have played at least 75% of their team's offensive downs.
Please note: You cannot trade these players for an entire full season after.
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u/freshwaterphantom Nov 14 '19
What about prompts intraseason to complete a goal in the following game to increase to the next dev lvl? I've gone S to SS to XF in one season.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
This guide doesn't cover that. This is all calculated during the SB week. Your dev at the beginning of the season isn't relevant. Only matters what dev they are going into the SB week.
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u/pyro745 Nov 14 '19
Will you be putting out any guides on the dynamic Breakout Scenarios? Would be very helpful! Love the work, thanks!
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u/CrowningCrows Nov 14 '19
Lol dumb question. This is obviously only for end of season upgrades
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u/freshwaterphantom Nov 14 '19
Lolololol I'll disagree, sports fan. Was hoping there was other insight into intraseason.
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u/BlackCherry80 Dec 14 '19
Does anyone know if the CB is still bugged with double tackle and not taking into account INT??!?!
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u/arlest21 Nov 15 '19
So, let's see if I unterstood this. If my QB is already a Superstar Dev, and finishes 2nd in Pass TDs and 4th in Pass Yards, he is 3rd in total and gets bumped to Superstar X-Factor?
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u/charr29 Dec 18 '19
I'm number 1 in yards n TDs in for my TE didnt get a boost. The TE who was 2nd in both yards and TDs did. This shit is broken
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u/ittybittybunker Nov 14 '19
Is each position calculated within that position or against all positions? For example, are TEs ranked on the same list as WRs or just compared to other TEs?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
Within that position. So WRs only compare with WRs, LOLBs only compare with LOLBs, etc.
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u/razerkahn Nov 14 '19
Do you know if postseason stats are factored into this? The dev upgrades happen during superbowl week so only wildcard-conference championship could be included
Thanks for making this
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u/Goldbears93 Nov 14 '19
Something interesting worth noting is I had Tyler Boyd get a breakout game to go from a star to superstar, then the very NEXT game he had the breakout game to go from a superstar to an X-Factor! It felt like a bug to me, but maybe it was because I had missed the yardage goal on a breakout game the season prior.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19
That progression doesn't have a factor in this. Both systems are separate.
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u/Goldbears93 Nov 14 '19
Ahh I got you! I am super curious as to what the logic is for breakout games and who gets them.
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Nov 19 '19
Same here. Maybe if you break a record, or if you get a specific number of yards/TDs in a certain amount of games could factor in the breakout scenarios. I'm just guessing though.
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u/SirJibba Nov 14 '19
Will a young player lose X-FactorSuperstar if they get injured and miss 8 games or underperform?
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u/sugashane707 Nov 15 '19
Into still dnt count for defensive backs lol
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
Except the 3 DB positions?
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u/sugashane707 Nov 15 '19
Should read ints**
Its crazy that deflections count but interceptions dont
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
Ah yeah. They meant to make them count but someone fucked up on the coding side
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u/mauricelouis26 Nov 15 '19
It’s crazy how my DT Christian Wilkins lead all DT’s in sacks & made the pro bowl but didn’t get development increased from star to superstar.
I also think it might be per conference? Or the whole league?
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u/catf1sh1 Nov 15 '19
QB's and OL are the only positions that can't get breakout scenarios right? Is there any scenario where an OL can upgrade into a Superstar?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19
Not sure, this has nothing to do with breakout scenarios. To my knowledge though there's no way to upgrade an OL
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u/ruddhimself Nov 20 '19
Will you let us know when they fix DBs?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 20 '19
I will. I checked after the update and it's still messed up. So will check during the next update.
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u/mauricelouis26 Nov 25 '19
What about Pro Bowl & awards? Do they get upgrades for that at all?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 25 '19
I've heard that they can, but I have not seen it personally this madden, so I'm assuming it's a very slim chance.
Edit: Sorry thought this was on the oline post. Very slim for OL. But I have seen it for a couple of positions.
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u/sholz9 Nov 26 '19
Hey wunderwaffe, if a player has already improved his development that season by completing a breakout challenge, is he still eligible to improve again through this system?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 26 '19
Yes he can improve again. This system is analyzed and implemented during the advance to SB week. So whatever their dev trait is going into that advance is what it will look at.
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u/sholz9 Nov 27 '19
do postseason stats contribute then if it is pulled at SB week? also, do injuries block players from downgrading?
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u/niflmadden Dec 08 '19
u/TheWunderwaffe Two questions:
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Is it really the average of the individual ranks or are the 3 ranks combined to re-rank them all? If it is average you could very well have no one with an average of 1-4 as they would need to be that position in ALL categories to achieve that.
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Is it combined Total Tackles or just Solo Tackles disregarding assists?
Thanks for all your work.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Dec 08 '19
It is an average, but then those averages are ranked. I laid that out somewhere in the comments, but it's on my list to update wording for in the actual guide for version 2.
Total tackles.
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u/niflmadden Dec 09 '19
Yes that's what I thought when I was trying to put a spreadsheet together to calculate it. Annoyingly the game doesn't export total tackles, only solo ones and doesn't export TFLs. Classic Madden.
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u/Madden-CFM Dec 15 '19
In my online franchise, with Kyler Murray, I won - OROTY, OPOTY, Best QB rating, Best Qb, and MVP. On top of that, I was first in TD throws but 14th in passing yards. Yet, Kyler did not get a development bump.... I'm just confused because in previous madden's, players automatically got dev bumps after winning awards :(
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u/TheWunderwaffe Dec 15 '19
In previous madden's players never automatically received dev bumps after winning awards. They had a small chance of receiving a bump. Since the dynamic dev trait system was implemented in M19 the chance of getting that bump has decreased.
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u/glaxxo10 Mar 27 '20
Howdy, I just found your Reddit posts and I find them to be very thorough and well thought out, I appreciate that. I’ve been searching the internet trying to figure out how the breakout play scenarios work, and how to trigger them. This is the closest article I have found to that. Could you either point me in the direction for an post about that or explain to me how it works please? The most recurring answer that I have seen is that it’s completely random, but from my experiences that seems wrong. It definitely feels like something is triggering it, as opposed to coincidence via random occurrence. Thanks for your time!
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u/TheWunderwaffe Mar 27 '20
Outside of putting up good stats in a game the triggers are fairly random. I've dug through the code looking for specifics, but best I find on them is just a jumbled mess.
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u/TheXsjado Apr 07 '20
Hello u/TheWunderwaffe, thanks for your guide. I have two questions:
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By season you mean regular season or the whole season including playoffs? What's the time span to achieve these goals?
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For LBs, does it differ with the scheme or just the type of player. I'm in 4-3 but have a LOLB that's an edge rusher, what stats does he have to reach then?
Thanks for your answers!
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u/TheWunderwaffe Apr 07 '20
Regular season
Stats alone. All LBs are analyzed under both criteria sets.
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u/TheXsjado Apr 07 '20
Thank you very much :)
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u/TheXsjado Apr 10 '20
Also, when you talk about average, for example let's take the QBs, it's adding the rank of yards and the rank of TDs and dividing by 2, right? And the better average wins? What happens in case of a tie? Like I'm 3rd in yards and 5th in TDs, and the other guy is 5th in yards and 3rd in TDs, what would happen? Thank you
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u/Jrussell42 Apr 12 '20
This awesome but what about OL?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Apr 12 '20
OL devs don't change. You have to implement your own system if you want them to change.
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u/Jrussell42 Apr 12 '20
What do you mean by put in your own system?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Apr 12 '20
Like my league has a system where if you're top 5 in rushing, passing, or total offense you can get bumps based on criteria. And we just manually change it.
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u/All5TonySpivey Apr 13 '20
So if I have a normal QB that wins MVP, ROTY and leads in Pass TD and YDs, he will still only go to Star Development?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Apr 13 '20
Awards have nothing to do with this guide. But yeah, pretty much. Unless he gets a boost from the awards.
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Oct 18 '21
Does this still follow for madden 22?
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u/TheWunderwaffe Oct 18 '21
M21 guide would probably be more accurate to M22, but I haven't looked into M22 yet since I was waiting on the major updates to drop first.
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u/thegodfazha Nov 15 '19
Hey just trying to clarify, Superstar DeSean Watson, what do I got to do to get him to XFactor? If I get 800 yards and 8 TDs would that do it?
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Nov 15 '19
You also have to average out to top 6 in Yds and TDs.
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u/thegodfazha Nov 15 '19
Ahh shit, well that’s better than top 4, but I’ll just shoot for top 4 of both
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u/mcguffy88 Nov 15 '19
Is the position what they are listed as not what they play in depth chart. Example being if I have a MLB playing ROLB.
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u/dylanmalvano Nov 15 '19
Yet again CBs get dicked by having to get deflection not interceptions. So if my cb breaks the record for INTs in a season but has low deflections numbers he’s fucked unless he gets lucky and gets a breakout scenario
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u/Neeknillz Nov 18 '19
I’m not sure if I’m interpreting this correctly.
If, say, Normal dev Daniel Jones is 5th in pass TD and 13th in pass yards (9th average), will he bump to star?
Are the numbers at the cutoffs of the sections cumulative?
In the top QB explanation section, does 4————7 as the cutoffs in the ‘star’ tier signify coming in 9th thru 12th place with your average?
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u/Friksjon Nov 19 '19
I'm still having a little bit of trouble understanding this
So if a player is star, the have to meet the yellow columns criteria or higher, where they get moved to superstar, where they have to meet the blue columns criteria or higher to get a bump?
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u/willsaysrawr Nov 19 '19
When doing all this, does anyone know if it’s a direct percentage change in xp needed to “level up” between different dev traits?
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u/mauricelouis26 Nov 29 '19
I have one more question then I’ll leave you alone, what about slot WR’s/CB’s? What if they get good numbers but do not start 8 games?
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u/thecarter0 Dec 04 '19
My FS was 2nd in tackles and Deflections and still didn’t get the upgrade :/
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u/ThunderNine9 Dec 09 '19
Also, when is the calculation made? End of season or at the superbowl week?
I'm asking because we have ppl who change players right on advance week based on where is best for their ranking.
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u/devonnejones Dec 11 '19
u/TheWunderwaffe my only question would be. Did you see any info regarding how to trigger the upgrade through the text message scenario that occurs in the season
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u/thecarter0 Jan 09 '20
Is it games started or games played. For example a SS that’s backup but also plays slot corner
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u/steeri31 May 01 '20
Anyone know how this system can potentially mess up? No TE in my league received an upgrade, and Brad McDougald was the league leader in both deflections and tackles for all safeties and received no bump, but Patrick Chung with like 5 less deflections and 1 less tackle got one. I know it works sometimes as my team’s KJ Wright, Chris Carson and Shaquem Griffin all got bumped up(and by their stats it was warranted) but by this chart both my CB and SS should have also went up. I’m not saying the code digging is wrong, just how Madden might execute it incorrectly?
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u/THE_cringe_god27 May 02 '20
Is there anywhere where it says the rank of your players stats? Or do you have to find that yourself?
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u/YGBreezay May 04 '20
Loving this guide man, It's been super heplful, such a shame that TEs dev still don't work. I never get any upgrades at all unless a TE stats are on top the league over the WRs. Stupid part on Madden for that and still not fixing ints with DBs
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u/ThePineapplePyro Nov 15 '19 edited Nov 15 '19
It's troubling to me that passings yards/touchdowns are the only criteria that determine a QB's dev trait. I had suspected this was the case through my franchises but I guess this confirms it...
I'll use Derek Carr as an example of why this method doesn't make sense. Right now Derek Carr is playing great football. High completion percentage (3rd in the league) great passer rating (7th), solid Y/A (12th), great DVOA (3rd).
Of course, none of this matters to the Madden formula, since he's 16th and 15th in the league in yards and touchdowns respectively because of the way the Raiders' offense works (utilizing a lot of shorter throws to gain first-down yardage and running the ball quite a bit). Philip Rivers leads the league in passing yards--I think most would agree he's had a pretty poor year all things considered, but he would probably get a dev trait increase.
I just don't buy that it could be that difficult to implement better ways to evaluate / progress players. In the NFL there are many players that have high value to their team and system and would be incredibly difficult to trade for, yet this may not be represented in their stats. I get that it's a bit more difficult but I think in a video game setting it should be possible for a more complex and nuanced system to be implemented.
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u/datssyck Nov 14 '19
Okay. So the players you pulled your data from, the ones with the double tackle stats. Were they all run support DBs? That could explain the double counting tackles. Instead of counting a secondary stat like interceptions they counted tackles twice.
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u/CoachDutch Nov 14 '19
Good shit OP. I upvoted but also go to hell. Can you people stop buying this shit? I understand that you love football and football video games but the rest of us that boycotted this company/title will never get a different NFL game if you guys keep buying and supporting this garbage.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 15 '19 edited Nov 15 '19
Mathematically anyone willing to boycott this game will have no effect on their profits. When you make a billion every year off microtransactions the 2-3 million lost from boycotts means nothing.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 26 '19
You are correct. In those cases there are no different tiers for SS
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u/TheWunderwaffe Apr 07 '20
Nothing. It analyzes both criteria. While highly improbably, you could place high enough in both for bump. You can't get two bumps though.
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u/TheWunderwaffe Nov 14 '19 edited Nov 20 '19
Note: This will only provide a single increase to your dev trait. If you are a normal dev QB and you finish in the X-factor QB bracket you will get a bump to Star dev.
Stat rankings apply to that position specifically. So TE stats are being compared to only TEs. WRs only WRs. Etc
Update: I mentioned in another comment, but wasn't clear in the guide. In future updates I will update the guide's wording to be more clear. AFTER you get a player's average rank, those ranks in that position are then ranked. So if a player has an average rank of 3.5 at QB, but he has the highest average, he would be a 1 in terms of where he'd fall in the guide.
Update 2: After the latest update I checked the code again and coverage positions are still bugged with the double tackle.