You know after spending this long in this subreddit in particular constantly seeing takes like "Akiyama > Baku v high diff" or "Johan > Friend extreme diff" or "Tokuchi > Canon L" or whatever the hell, I've begun to wonder why people have these takes in the first place and why it's so hard to convince them otherwise, if not for a lack of knowledge.

To keep it brief, I think y'all scale based on how hard a character's feats are for YOU to understand, not how impressive they actually are

I mean it explains why most people have Akiyama and Baku close, when in actuality they're not close at all. It's because people read those two mangas and the cognitive effort it took for them to understand both characters feats were around the same. This also explains why methodology is a method of scaling that took off in the first place despite it not making any sense to scale intellect by that metric, it's just a way for people to rank convoluted feats that they themselves find hard to understand irrespective of where it actually scales. I mean, it takes a lot more effort to understand something like Forced Rotation (lol) than it does "He stopped WW3 at age 8" (Canon L feat)

But which feat actually scales higher? Obviously Canon L's by leaps and bounds, the implications of that one simple sentence in terms of intellect easily eclipse Yokoya's due to it's framework and the sheer logistics required to make that feat possible. Yet for the longest time people took feats like those and gave them labels like "unrealistic" as a means to arbitrarily dismiss those feats as "not counting" for literally no reason other than they personally didn't like it. Why? Because it was easy for them to understand, therefore it can't actually be counted as smart

Suffice it to say, this is a terrible way of measuring characters intellect in any objective manner but I don't think anyone does this on purpose, I think it's something y'all just unconsciously do or otherwise just have a bias towards characters you find hard to grasp. I mean this is a community all about the love for smart characters so the characters that make you the reader feel smart along with them are obviously gonna be more favored. And that's perfectly ok, it's completely fine to love characters like that and even be biased for them, only you cannot claim they're smarter than characters with comparatively easier to understand feats yet still actually scale higher once you take everything into account

First of all, we need to establish what a top tier should mean. At its simplest, a top tier should be a character with great feats in at least, reasoning and scheming, manipulation and eq. Chen Ran has great feats in most and is at currently getting great feats in scheming.

Now, the other supposed top tiers mainly have 1 good category or two at best, and might genuinely have a good feat but if they don't have quantity and quality as well across different categories, they aren't beating Baku.

I remember there was a post saying Being a Talent was overrated and I wholeheartedly agree. Ang Xiao and the First Saint, while having good planning feats can not in my opinion beat Baku or Hal. They don't have much showings of feats in other categories to be a top tier. They were even some nonsensical takes that Ang Xiao could beat Chen Ran.

2) The hype men. The people that do recommend these novels exaggerate feats and just parrot off others. Gods Imitation was supposedly top tier and was being parroted around that it was, but once people actually analysed a bit more, the same people calling it top tier immediately retracted.

3) Docs. Theres no feat explanations or docs for the supposed top tiers. I understand the difficulty in making them but if you claim something is a top tier, you have to back it up.

4) Just because a plan was xxx years, doesn't mean the feat scales high. Like this may even weaken some other aspects but that's debatable also hax has to be looked at. E.g Ang Xiao with his ability that can make you forget him."Planning someones life" because of an ability. While some parts of this may be scaled, it lowers the scaling of the feat.

And what's funny is that most people who think these characters come close don't overrated them, they just underrate Baku. I'm sure that everyone who has ever made takes like "Baku > Scofield High Diff" knows exactly what Baku's feats are, but I can guarantee that all of you don't know HOW good they are exactly

The level of adaptation that Baku has and the amount of multi-agent complexity he was juggling all at once can hardly be found in any other character like him. Every single character in this 3x3 has either not been shown to handle or even shown express difficulty/inability to handle the amount of MAC present in the fucking Labyrinth arc, let alone everything else Baku dealt with on his road to the 2nd STL and beyond.

To be even more clear, all of these matchups for Baku are No Diff stomps. I know I know, most of y'all don't like that term or think it's boring (and I kinda agree) but there's really no better term to describe the sheer disparity between any of the 9 and him. You can squeeze all of these characters together into one, highball their scaling and they STILL wouldn't beat Baku and it would barely even be close. They don't have the same foresight, scheming and systems thinking that Baku does let alone the ability to effectively control the vast adaptive system that Baku found himself in.

Baku is the Lebron of SCD. Idc that there's a thousand characters smarter than him, he's still him.

I forgot the chapter. But in one of those chapters where johan's backstory was explained, it is seen that Anna is narrating everything that happened in red rose mansion. Now johan was able to visualise that thing and make that memory of Anna into his own. That's the reason why he later visited red rose mansion.

I feel like this fsiq feat is way above light and koji, and slightly above lelouch and L. What do you guys think?

Will rank from 0-100% on how hot they are, based on how hot the average person from this sub will find this

0%: PJ > NBC Hannibal Mid Diff

10%: Friend > Johan No Diff

20%: K Drama Yokoya is a lot higher than Manga Akiyama in scaling, not sure about the diff

30%: Akane Kurashiki >>>> Fang Yuan, Fyodor and Comp Junko. Putting a diff would be disrespectful to Akane

40%: Akiyama Shinichi > Kanade Mid Diff

50%: Scaling systems in general are outdated and bad, trying to restrict what does and doesn't count as a feat of intellect will never allow you to scale "more objectively" than just taking exactly what's on the page and scaling it without contention

60%: Michael Scofield and Patrick Jane are among some of the most overrated characters ever. They are closer to Yokoya rivals than Baku ones

70%: Baku > PM Souichi High Diff (-), leaning towards Mid-High Diff. There is not a single thing Souichi does in terms of scheming that Baku doesn't already do but better. You can legit argue Baku taking EVERY category off Souichi other than Intelligence/FSIQ and Adaptability

80%: NBC Hannibal barely even qualifies as a "smart character"

90%: Johan Liebert >>> Manga L No-Low Diff. Manga L only takes Intelligence/FSIQ

100%: Nobody in this subreddit except for me and a handful of others knows how to scale. SCD Discord is easily 2 years ahead of this subreddit in terms of knowledge and ability to actually defend their takes and the proof of that is the fact that the majority of people here unironically think "methodology scaling" works. My previous take of SCD Reddit > Discord has changed mostly from the shittier discordians I knew having since left and C System making a lot more sense to me now.

If you actually, seriously think terms like "methodology", "realistic intelligence", "scaling systems" etc still apply to SCD then you are legit a caveman compared to every single person on SCD discord.

AJIN

18LOH

Agent 47 (based on walkthrough videos)

BSD

COTE

DN

Fluxion Conspiracy(ish 's rich vs poor island 1000 players)

How to Be Ordinary

Hunter x Hunter

JJK (only Kenjaku)

Kakegurui (paused)

Liar Game

Monster

Reverend Insanity / Vol. 1 Fang Yuan

Romance of the Three Kingdoms (somewhat)

Sinmonger

Summer Time Rendering

SDR2(via videos )

TENET

TG

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Haven't read/invested in these, but I know about them through word of mouth in this sub:

Ace Attorney

Sherlock

Usogui

Zero Escape

happy massacre end

Pic Unrelated Feel free to spread the agenda

Everyone's criticizing COTE and Monster fans, but Usogui fans are even worse.

In a random LG or COTE edit, a random person pops up and says "PM Hal Victims." Look, you can't interfere with anyone's viewing pleasure, okay? Do you have any idea how disgusting it is to spam another character in an edit of another work? Even 14-year-old kids who think they're Ayanokoji don't do what you do.

And this isn't just limited to works within SCDs; this idiotic Usogui group is attacking entire fandoms as if they were an organization, attacking dozens of works like LG, COTE, Rick and Morty, Hannibal, Monster, Tokyo Ghoul, and AoT. Honestly, these Usogui fans are more stupid and disgusting than COTE fans in my opinion. Please leave other works alone and wallow in your own cesspool.

Usogui's intelligence level isn't on the level of One Outs, and no, it's not as well-written as Berserk, and they still don't reach the level of Ayanokoji and Tsukumo in terms of power scaling. Anyway, what do you think is the worst fandom in SCD?

Basically, my opinion is that staying calm and managing his emotions wouldn't have helped the situation at all. It wouldn't have mattered if Light just smirked, aura farmed and calmly said the same dialogues, he just needed Ryuk to kill them off. There also wasn't any huge new consequence from Light being unable to manage his emotions here, he was cooked regardless

When it comes to Anti Feats, I believe we should consider the consequences of said Anti Feat. Eg. Someone sweating and panicking to a bluff in a poker game is quite bad anti Feat because the consequences would be them being seen through and losing. They had a good reason to fake a poker face.

This applies to Pandemic Yokoya Anti Feat as well. The reason why his Anti Feat there is bad isn't because Yokoya was shouting and throwing a tantrum, the actual Anti feat was actually failing to anticipate the potential trap Akiyama had set. Yokoya shouting didn't really matter imo and it wasn't the main part of the anti feat since Yokoya didn't need to control his emotions there

On a side note, Light rushing to use the hidden death note piece in his watch could be seen as an anti feat but I actually disagree. Since everyone was already focused on him and one of them even has MH, Light could not have taken his sweet time and wrote in it slowly

Intuition scaling goes brrr, this post is for entertainment.

This are lowball iq

Also, the IQ is scales based on performance not by raw/natural intelligence, otherwise Lynch and Fang Yuan won't be that high

The images are in my own scaling(strict scaling)

This ones below are for Proven Ability

Light Yagami: 130 IQ

Lynch: 143 IQ

Akiyama Shinichi: 150 IQ

Ukai Zero: 155 IQ

Lin Sizhi: 155 IQ(Solving complex counter-intuitive games, game theory stuff, side characters aren't actually dumb and doesn't always follow the script😱)

Senku: 160 IQ(Time machine feat isn't included because there's no explanations, besides that there's enough evidences for an IQ of 160 or probably a bit lower. He can do maths that I don't understand so quickly in his head, also he isn't just a knowledge merchant since learning all that and the ideas he has as a child at least makes him a genius. He also counted how many seconds??? While petrified)

Fang Yuan(no wisdom attainments): 180 IQ

(Imagine being able to chunk information so much that you can recall various events and information within 500 years of memory, where mostly each year would greatly surpass the average person's 10 years of life in terms of sheer amount of significant information)

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka: 180 IQ

Baku Madarame: 200+ IQ

(Let's be real. Playing Air Poker alone is such an unrealistic feat that you are guaranteed to at least have 200 IQ with this)

Zhuge Liang: 250+ IQ

Lin Ou: 290+ IQ

(Insane pattern recognition)

Ang Xiao: 400 IQ(Inhumane level planning which requires extremely sophisticated CPI, Cognitive Resources Allocation and FRI, )

Chen Ran 600 IQ+

(imagine being able to unravel extremely counter-intuitive problems in seconds and having such an insane pattern recognition. Also being able to visualize complex 3d objects up to micro-level to the point that you can manifest them into reality according to the rules behind No Distance)

Won't include Nobody and The Doctor because it's pointless to try and guess or estimate theirs because you know...

Questions Regarding The Take Would Be Answered, Open To A Non Toxic Discussion

FSIQ:

CPI: Akiyama VCI: Akiyama FRI: Akiyama VSI: Baku

Overall FSIQ: Akiyama

EQ:

EP: Akiyama EU: Akiyama EE: Akiyama EM: Baku

Overall EQ Akiyama

Overall SQ and AC: Baku

Thinking:

Linear: Akiyama Non Linear: Akiyama Convergent: Akiyama Divergent: Akiyama Creative: Baku Vertical: Akiyama Lateral: Akiyama Abstract: Akiyama Quick: Baku Critical: Baku Holistic: Akiyama Analytical: Akiyama

Overall Thinking: Akiyama

Reasoning:

Deductive: Akiyama Inductive: Akiyama Abductive: Baku Abstract: Akiyama

Overall Reasoning: Akiyama

Manipulation:

Direct: Baku indirect: Akiyama Individual: Akiyama Mass: Baku Emotional: Akiyama Logical: Akiyama Psychological: Akiyama

Overall Manipulation: Akiyama

Deception:

Fabrication: Baku Concealment: Baku Misdirection: Akiyama Disguise: Akiyama Bluffing: Akiyama Verbal: Akiyama Acting Skills: Akiyama

Overall Deception: Akiyama

Foresight:

Anticipation: Akiyama Prediction: Baku Trap setting: Akiyama Trap Evasion: Akiyama

Overall Foresight: Akiyama

Schemes:

Strategy All Cats Akiyama

Planning:

Short Term: Akiyama

Long Term: Baku

Overall Schemes: Akiyama

Counter action/Countering: Baku

Field Skills: Akiyama

Sensory: Baku

Overall Akiyama Shinichi Very High Diffs Baku Madarame

Take on Aki vs Souichi Soon

FSIQ : Everything Except VSI/VCI = Akiyama

EQ Everything = Akiyama SQ Everything = Akiyama AC (yes) Everything = Akiyama Schemes Everything = Akiyama Manip/Decep/Foresight Everything = Akiyama Field Skills = Akiyama Counter action/Countering = Akiyama intuition (yes) = Akiyama.

Sensory = L (Eh maybe)

Akiyama no diffs or very low diffs.

I can't comprehend in what way shape or form is this matchup remotely close? Aki is at least 3 tiers above L + has better Skill Set overall.

I will go first: Light, Kei, Kuze, Nao, Angie and Near

Light:

Hyper overrated SCD character that has many average human feats or anti-feats. Barely anything he has done is smart and his best feats are carried by luck and plot armor. His writing is also overrated and mid. I don't get the hype

Kei:

Because he is a retard

Kuze:

Comes from a romantic anime/LN that has nothing to do with SCD but bro somehow entered SCD. His best feat is being called prodigy by the author

Nao:

Annoying character and crybaby. Incredibly stupid and boring. Nothing interesting and deep about her. Idk why is she even considered in SCD community. Even her design is bad

Angie:

Barely used in SCD except in tournaments but I hate her so much that I had to include her. Annoying af and makes Danganronpa V3 less entertaining. I'm sure she got killed in 3rd chapter because creators of the game realized how much of a nuisance she is with her whole Atua cult

Near:

L died but because of that DN lost its purpose, so let's make L from Temu. Boring and unoriginal character that's whole purpose to replace L. L was at least original, entertaining and somewhat deep. Near is just a boring copy without any depth. Also Mello>Near in SCD

Excluding chinese scd characters

Lets talk about koji's scaling on this subreddit, I have been on this comm for a fair amount of time and i have seen that this subreddit likes to slander kiyotaka and shit on his feats for no reason , relying on joking and slandering instead of presenting a meaningful explanation to debunk his scaling. From whati have observed, people hate koji and scale him low for one or more of the following

reasons

1) He's smarter than thier favourite scd character and they cannot imagine an teenager in highschool who also acts exactly like as thier pre-conceived notation of corny . This is once again not any justification of downplaying kojis feats and his capabilities

2) They don't like his personality and think Cote isn't written for scd , once again this isn't a argument against Koji's scaling but rather an subjective opinion of the work lol

3) They use stop scaling , This is atleast Justifiable but still retarded because they deem as 'statements and narrative implications' as invalid , obviously this has its own flaws because on-screen and off-screen is just our own perception of thier functioning within the narrative and has nothing to do with thier actual capability

4) They're larping and have no idea about Kiyotaka's scaling.

5) The cote fandom , tbh we should not talking about them lol most of cote fanbase are either gooners or the type to make most dubious and wildest of interpretations with no proof , even i agree sometimes they have horrible head-cannons.

Once again don't get me wrong, Kiyotaka himself isn't meant to be a likeable character at the slightest and the amount of self-insert implications kinugasa puts into his character is also a valid reason for hating him and other than that Cote isn't the best executed work , it has multiple major flaws and kinugasa has literally no Idea of what to do of koji. But despite all of this Kiyotaka's scd prowess in this subreddit is undervalued and the undervaluing is done on actual slander of the character and fanbase rather than logic and consistency which is saddening.

So the point of my entire yapp is lets not debunk koji's feats using nonsensical bullshit like "He manipulates highschool girls" , "Most of his feats are off-screen , he's a narrative merchant!!!" , "He doesn't scale anywhere, majority of the interpretations the comm use are head-cannons created by his cult like fanbase".

Now if anybody wants to truly learn about koji's scaling, they can dm me on my cord miyukiism._ or they can just to my post here but make it so that you be intellectually honest and not use hyperbols in the story to scale him. Thanks

In terms of favoritism it's

1. Light >=

2. Walter

3/4. John Kramer

3/4. Phoenix Wright

1. Detective Pikachu (mostly here for the agenda)

In scaling it's

1. John Kramer (not close)

2. Phoenix wright

3. Light

4. Walter

5. Detective Pikachu

Yokoya's forced rotation trap in summary went like this:

I will make the clairvoyance deal with kikuzawa he will accept because he wants to rule over people -> As an effect of My Clairvoyance claim the People of South Country Would Stop Carrying Any Money -> South Would end up being completely Dependent on Kikuzawa to earn money through inspections and this way North will slowly move towards the ideal scenario by smuggling more than South -> During this Time Kikuzawa Will Act Very Egotistically like a dictator Ruling over people and getting hated by others -> Since South won't be carrying money Eventually all the money Kikuzawa Helped Me Make Would be Paid off to him and I would Stop Giving more Signals -> Kikuzawa Would now Force someone to carry Money on the Smuggling turn -> Akiyama Would see through the Clairvoyance Trap Before the smuggler carries Any Money And would ask him to carry a different amount to Fail My inspection -> Kikuzawa And My Deal Would Be Broken -> Akiyama Will Expose Kikuzawa -> All the South Team members Would be very hateful to kikuzawa and would want to get him punished -> As punishment his turns would be Removed From the Rotation -> Once his turns are removed they would have to change Rotations And send One player Twice in a row as both Smuggler and Inspector as the previous rotation would be unusable if one player is removed because one player won't be able to play as both inspector and smuggler -> if kikuzawa gets exposed he will reveal to South About his back story with me and would reveal my method of ruling by fear -> I will send three of my team members to trick three of South's team members into carrying South's remaining ATM money and depositing it in the North ATM I will make them narrate a similar story to kikuzawas story making those three more weak to manipulation and successfully execute my strategy -> if Akiyama realizes the true Way of winning contraband he would think my clairvoyance strategy was designed to land me in a similar position and wouldn't realize the real forced rotation trap -> once the trap is executed Akiyama won't be able to reverse it even if the three traitors end up revealing the truth.

This strategy was formulated on the assumption that South hadn't realized the true nature of contraband.

Yokoya's clairvoyance strategy would still make him crazy amount of money for his personal account even if South had realized the true nature of Contraband because then they would have no choice but to Still carry money despite knowing yokoya is clairvoyant thus Making Yokoya and kikuzawa more and more money.

This is one of the main reasons why Yokoya was 90% Sure Akiyama was bluffing and if his team members weren't much affected by Akiyama's bluff I'm sure he would have done nothing about it and would have still won the game, therefore the real reason why he lost was simply because he had a dictator mentality apart from that he was ALWAYS Above Akiyama while playing the game.

And this is the main reason why I think no realistic character is evading the trap because you would have to see all of it coming beforehand via cold reading kikuzawa or something like that which puts you semi realistic so doesn't count otherwise it just gets executed and you won't be able to do anything even if you knew the real nature of contraband, Akiyama would have lost the game if yokoya wasn't a dictator and his teammates were actually supportive of him and believed in him.

Unless you are semi realistic or straight up unrealistic you aren't evading the trap, oh and btw yokoya came up with this strategy literally in seconnds, he formulated everything after seeing Akiyama do the money bundle trick, the next turn was Kikuzawas and that's when he started execution.

Why this picture? No specific reason. It's akira from the mansion murder series by yukito ayatsuji and he is one of my favourite japanese novel writer and i love his books.

So iam a huge fan of mystery thrillers. Especially those with detectives and i started with the popular ones like novels of conan doyle,agatha christie, Horowitz, Leblanc etc.

I love detective trope so much. I love how characters either socially active or not comes to a room, uses their reasoning and applying logic through the knowledge they have and reading the people around the room and finding the culprit.

I have heard that detectives are bad at outsmarting many times from different people and it's totally wrong. Yeah it's true that some detectives lacks in categories like manipulation but saying that all detectives are bad is pretty much a bad take.

My love for Japanese novel started way after i read works and watched works that were popular. I used to think that the characters i know were the best detectives and slowly i started reading Japanese novels.

I have to say that Japanese novels really don't hold back and sometimes there are disturbing scenes. I always loved mystery thrillers from japan not just novels, i loved manga, drama, light novels and movies too.

What i love about japanese mystery novels is how logically explained they are. The characters apply great logic and everything would be perfectly explained in a way that the reader can understand itself but at the same time it doesn't sold off stuffs.

I would not lie, my knowledge on Japanese mystery novels is very less because i don't know Japanese as iam a non Japanese and i am someone who yearns so much for such novels to get translations.

I have heard a lot about many novels which are still not translated and just from reading documents or analysis i can understand how much i would enjoy it if i could read it myself.

i have missed a lot of works just because of the language boundary i have and i am really happy whenever someone in this sub talks about japanese mystery novels and it's characters.

Due to works not being translated or not being available, i sometimes go for their alternative options like manga or live action adaptations based on them and i often get disappointed but what can i do? There is nothing i can do

Also i have to say this that Japanese novels focus on the progress and actual methods rather than just focusing on narrative and since everyone is into scaling logical characters along with feats that are explained, iam sure how many characters would be high tiers.

There are many Japanese characters who are high tiers just from a few works and some characters only get a single book and it's often hard to have feats on several categories just from a single book.

Overall, iam too obsessed on detective fiction and because of that, i love Japanese mystery novels.

Also it's fine if you don't like detective trope. Iam just talking about my obsession with detective fiction.

My friend told me to read some translated works instead of crying about non translated works and i already have a lot in my read list which already have translations, so i should probably try it.

Currently iam reading a manga of an untranslated light novel and the protagonist from what i have heard has even better reasoning than the likes of sherlock, poirot etc but the manga is kind of not that good and it's generally considered as a bad adaptation

But i will still read it just because of my love to detectives and iam not going to reveal the name because i don't really think it would be worth the time

Found it on insta a while ago. Can someone tell if it's accurate?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but I think Moriarty should have higher % than Light.

1. Baku Madarame: No matter what his ceiling is and who are the top tiers, he will always be the perfect one. He embodies what an intelligent character means

2. Sherlock Holmes: Well, this sub or none of these characters would probably exist without him. He is the original one and still stands on his feet.

3. Chen Ran: Well, an intelligence scaler's wet dream. Atp, his author is probably active in this sub.

4. Light Yagami: Love him or hate him, he changed what everyone thinks about intelligence. At least to the general audience. And I cannot but think that every character written in eastern hemisphere borrows something from him.

Number 3

Kirkyuin.

Not only She Is featless but also got victimized badly by kiriyama but somehow not only She Always manages tò be put in top 15 but Also gets often scaled above suzune,tsubaki ,and kiriyama.

The hell??

Number 2.

This all comes from dax.

People Paint her as this underrated character Who Is broken in deception when She Is almost featless in that.

She has feats Who fall only in some sub cats.

Acting skills,concealment,and indirect manip.

Only the First Two are impressive thanks tò her boku mode.

Plus her supposed great scheme in y2v4 despite being mid its not even hers😭.

They try tò liquid everthing as tsukishiro Simply manipulating her while She literally followed his orders.

In y3v2 in her monologues tsukishiro talks about wich persona use with kiyotaka how exactly mix Lies with thruths and how tò enter his circles,how koji would percieve her , proving that during uie She was following his orders and executing his Plan.

A possible counterargument tò this would be ryuen's x arc and suzune's camera strategy but its not the case since with horikita and kakeru koji gave dispersed clues here and there that they gathered and used tò make their plans.

While in nanase case She Simply followed tsuki rules meaning that at best She would have a good strategy execution and that's It.

And its not finished here apparently y3v4 nanase outsmarts suzune.

How??

In y3v4 nanase has only few scenes where She tries tò convince ichika and later there Is a narrative statement where She tries tò expell ishigami but he counters her and expells One of her classmates.

How does this make her scale above suzune?

Idk apparently according tò dax in this volume She shows more "versality"

And this opinion Is getting widespread in cote scd tiktok.

Number 1 honami.

Her feats are often exxagerated and enbelished by the author of her doc.they use even the smallest and most insignifact things tò make up new feat for examples her supposedely acting depressed in y2v7,y2v8 or her manipulating nagumo and cc.

She Is also really glazed by the cote reddit community for no actual reason wich can be seen as One of the causes.currently the only reason that would make her above the other Two Leaders, Is ryuen and suzune mental states not her being way superior tò them especialy when they both gap her horribely in half Major categories.

When y2v12 and y2v12.5 came out people started glazing the shi out of her and started tò glaze every actions She would make from then One even if some of them are really basic.

She Is broken in planning but mid in strategy.

Her manipulation Is not as broken and Is also exxagerated.for examples they use ryuen bad felling during his conversation with honami in y2v9 as a proff that honami was phsichologically exploiting ryuen trauma and was using his fear for koji as a facade at the point that She completely immiteted koji personality so tò instal fear in ryuen thing that would mean that honami knows alot about the x arc despite deducing only few things.

They alsi like tò make many headcanons around her.

Like in y2v10 She supposedely could have destroyed suzune Class but decided tò spare them even if suzune Class kept countering and predicting their choices both before and After they Alliance got revealed.

Or that She manipulated all suzune classmates including suzune herself via her rumor mills .

Evidence ?? Idk.

The only victim of her rumor mills in suzune Class that i recall Is kei.

Plus there Is the whole debate around the promised night Who Is AN eccellent trap but koji wasnt a complete victim subjugated by honami all the time like her fans want tò describe It .he was pretty much aware and forsee almost everthing that happened that night maybe except the bombayah .

I generelly put her in par with other Leaders but i don't see any big gap that would put her even a tier above the others .

Before starting I'd like to clarify something about my own scaling system, I use a very unique scaling system which I'd think helps me as stay as close to a characters true Scaling As possible, it's not as strict as methodology but also not as lenient as narrative/normal, in summary I don't see any feats valid which are only implied by the scaler and lack any solid any evidence apart from that any feat Backed With Solid Evidence is valid weather it is just a statement or an off screen feat, now let's begin.

Comp L Lawliet CTW timeline movies + Novels + J drama (Canon L feats are included For CTW L) both feats and anti feats vs Canon Akiyama Shinichi Manga + Roots of A feats and Anti feats.

FSIQ:

CPI: Akiyama VCI: L FRI: Akiyama VSI: L

Overall FSIQ: Akiyama

EQ:

EP: L EU: Akiyama EE: Akiyama EM: L

Overall EQ Akiyama

Overall SQ and AC: Akiyama

Thinking:

Linear: Akiyama Non Linear: L Convergent: Akiyama Divergent: L Creative: Akiyama Vertical: L Lateral: Akiyama Abstract: Akiyama Quick: Akiyama Critical: Akiyama Holistic: Akiyama Analytical: Akiyama

Overall Thinking: Akiyama

Reasoning:

Deductive: Akiyama Inductive: Akiyama Abductive: L Abstract: Akiyama

Overall Reasoning: Akiyama

Manipulation:

Direct: Akiyama indirect: Akiyama Individual: Akiyama Mass: L Emotional: Akiyama Logical: Akiyama Psychological: Akiyama

Overall Manipulation: Akiyama

Deception:

Fabrication: Akiyama Concealment: L Misdirection: Akiyama Disguise: Akiyama Bluffing: Akiyama Verbal: Akiyama Acting Skills: Akiyama

Overall Deception: Akiyama

Foresight:

Anticipation: Akiyama Prediction: L Trap setting: Akiyama Trap Evasion: L

Overall Foresight: Akiyama>=

Schemes:

Strategy All Cats Akiyama

Planning:

Short Term: Akiyama

Long Term: L

Overall Schemes: Akiyama

Counter action/Countering: Akiyama

Field Skills: Akiyama

Sensory: L

Overall Akiyama Shinichi Mid-High Diffs Composite L Lawliet

Take on Aki vs Comp Light Soon.