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u/Big-Ad8632 Oct 24 '25
As a foreigner, why wasnt it always the case?
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
True lol. When I moved here and checked the policy, it was so easy. get kela or whatever and get citizenship in 3.5-5 years. I was like damn đ€Ą
Imo i think they're taking counter measures now. Enough foreigners now. Need to tighten Everything. And in future it will be more tighter. They don't want to be sweden or germany.
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u/Sharp-Extent9745 Oct 24 '25
"Enough foreigners" , no. Enough of low skill foreigners migrating for benefits and contributing nothing.
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u/No-Firefighter-4106 Oct 25 '25
Exactly. Social support of the system is designed to help people back up, not to leech the fruits of others' hard labour. This society supporting kids, students and elders cannot sustain itself if too many people milk it dry. There has been already social support cuts and there will be more.
Everybody that can work, has to go to work. If you don't want to work here and abide Finnish laws, leave the country. You are not needed, you are not welcome. You just prove the point and make things worse for immigrants contributing to this society.
For any immigrant contributing this society or trying their best to get employed and respects Finnish culture and laws...welcome, and thank you. Finland needs more people like you.
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u/Sh_Islam Oct 26 '25
Have seen people getting recruited without proper background. I wonder whether skilled ones ever mattered here. I will wait for 6 months after my graduation, I tried all along these two years during my study. Never had a luck, if not I will move elsewhere.I think they are better off with these low skilled foreigners. I had completed German A1 within 3 months! Had I been recruited by any of the finnish companies here and had a contract that is permanent, I would have happily completed the language proficiency. But I think they are better with the low skilled foreigners. Have seen multiple people getting recruited without sufficient qualifications, since this country is more biased towards network (like Denmark and other Nordic neighbours).
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Oct 24 '25
Are you speaking on behalf of Finns as an Indian?
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u/Sharp-Extent9745 Oct 24 '25
As an immigrant with the same rights afforded, yes I have a say in a democratic society. Shocker, I know.
Cry about it ;)
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u/Comfortable_Lab_3123 Oct 24 '25
FYI Citizenship granted from 2020 to 2024 according to previous nationality https://pxdata.stat.fi/PxWeb/pxweb/en/StatFin/StatFin__kans/statfin_kans_pxt_11l3.px/table/tableViewLayout1/
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u/Silent-Victory-3861 Oct 24 '25
You can just move here and start getting sosiaaliturva? Didn't you still need work or studying based permit?
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u/Comfortable_Lab_3123 Oct 24 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
It seems like yes, people can move here and get KELA money without having to work nor employed spouses https://www.kela.fi/can-you-get-benefits-when-you-move-to-finland
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u/DiseasedProject Oct 24 '25
If only they could start cancelling citizenships already given as well. No sense having illitirate, no experience in anything people who only contribute in breeding more future Kela dependants burdening our society and eating tax money.
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u/JamesFirmere Oct 25 '25
Pray tell me, good sir, where the actual goddamn fuck would you deport former citizens who have never had any other citizenship than Finnish?
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u/emkemkem Oct 25 '25
Well THAT would mean quite many Finns would be in danger of losing their citizenship regardless they were born here like their parents. Three months of unemployment and youâll lose your citizenship. Oh boy! Thatâd be a fast track to decreasing the unemployment numbers. And lowering the amount of citizens.
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u/Vkmies Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 28 '25
Because this hurts skilled and highly educated immigrants in a way that will turn them away from the country. No sensible government would use these time limits, as high-skilled industries with large international worker pools are often project-based with the hiring and interview process often being months long. 3 months of unemployment is common and seasonal.
This government claims to want to attract those "types" of immigrants, but this will have a strong opposite effect. Then these same parties will continue to cry during future votes and elections that immigrants to Finland are statistically stupid and low-skilled, obfuscating the fact that they themselves created a system that damages immigration through some of the most international highly educated industries in Finland like games and academia.
It will all do a good job feeding into the steadily rising neo-conservatism and racism present both in the government and in the people, as well as making sure ghettoization and the rich-poor divide will stay racialized and perhaps even worsening. Some limit would make sense. This does not.
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u/DangerToDangers Oct 24 '25
Why would it be? It makes no sense that 3 months of unemployment in 2 years should disqualify you from citizenship.
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u/Mahmud-kun Oct 24 '25
Because we have room and money for everyone
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u/Sawmain Oct 24 '25
Room ? Yeah Finland has incredibly small population, money ? lol fuck no. We are slowly but surely sinking without huge reforms.
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Oct 24 '25
What the hell are you smoking?
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u/BPHopeBP Oct 24 '25
Finland does have room for everyone
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Oct 24 '25
There is enough space for everyone who is able to be a productive member of society, work and pay taxes, but we have absolutely no room for freeloaders, opportunists and immigrants who rely on government assistance. Those days are over forever.
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Oct 24 '25
I have a question. What about foreigners receiving some disability help while working ? And What about receiving student support while working a little ? I am very concerned because I am a worker with disability and i was supposed to apply for help then i don't destroy myself at work with a full time planning.
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
No one can give you concrete answers here. You should always ask migri. Migri will give you the right one.
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Oct 24 '25
okay thank you!
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
And i don't think right now they can't give you solid answer. Because they're still translating the law. When it comes to force. It will be live in the website.
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u/jsomby Oct 24 '25
https://intermin.fi/en/-/sufficient-financial-resources-to-be-required-for-finnish-citizenship-
"In future, applicants for Finnish citizenship will be required to have sufficient financial resources. The premise is that people who have no income other than unemployment benefit or social assistance will no longer be eligible for Finnish citizenship."
According to this, it doesn't apply to you.
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u/studiosi Oct 25 '25
Si if you start to work then you become eligible. This is literally a null regulation.
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Oct 24 '25
For now it's been worded, like those who survive solely on government benefits, wouldn't be eligible. I don't know if very little part time work makes difference there. I believe the point of the law was that we can't afford to get even more people who don't contribute into taxes at all. I don't think even Kela knows the actual answer yet.
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u/aytvill Oct 24 '25
when one lives only off social benefits, not from paid work - they still pay taxes. there is VAT on every food and other consumed item we buy. and it constitutes tangible part of state revenue from private person taxation - in 2023 VAT (valueâadded tax) accounted for about 18â19% of total central government tax revenue.
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Oct 25 '25
I believe the point is not tax, the point is where the money comes from that generates the tax.
In a family you can give pocket money to a child and they'll buy a game. It doesn't bring more money into the family budget. Whereas the teenager mowing lawn for the neighbour does, even if he then buys the same game. The cost of that game comes from somewhere else than the parent 's salary.
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u/aytvill Oct 25 '25
by virtue of being small business, I understand how money works and that tax is tangential to economic process.
what I try to say - if someone pays taxes on same level/rules with you, then attempts to make them 2nd category of people... smells bad. it stinks populism.
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u/slurpsssssss Oct 24 '25
Lovely.
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u/United-Inside7357 Oct 24 '25
Sure, but this is just a trick before the elections. Most people donât even need a citizenship for anything. P-OLE is still a possibility, you donât need a language or in some cases even a job. They did talk about making it stricter some time ago, but idk if they will ever get to it. Until they do, all this is just talk lol
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 29 '25
What do you mean they will never get to it? They already passed the law. Effective from 17th of December and third phase will be determined soon probably before next summer. They said they're gonna add citizenship test part + I think they're gonna twist it more and make it hard.
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u/United-Inside7357 Oct 29 '25
Citizenship is different from P-OLE, and this law wonât affect it. The benefits however are the same except for voting and passport (and that you can lose your permit easier than a citizenship). For most immigrants, it doesnât matter if theyâre on citizenship or a residence permit.
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u/Historical_Care7903 Oct 24 '25
Good!
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
Good? IMO Yes it is. No more passi for sohva perunas. I have seen many people getting passi on kela money & refused to work because they want there dream job. Now you gotta work your ass off if you want passi. BUT I hope it doesn't apply to the people who has disability & womens who are in maternity leaves. While they're in leave. Time shouldn't be counted if they're on kela.
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Oct 24 '25
I really don't understand. When I was unemployed, I received less then 600e after tax. Does anyone really think that I was satisfied and thrived with this money? That it was better than getting 2000e, 3000e. Who would rather take 600e?!
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u/Sepulchh Oct 24 '25
Those are not Työttömyysturva or Toimeentulotuki so they shouldn't affect said persons.
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u/VikingTeddy Oct 24 '25
It might, because the system is slow and flawed. A lot of people who qualify for KELA benefits, have to live a while and on the dole as the bureaucracy chugs along. It all comes down to the details of the law, and how it's interpreted.
I'm not against getting rid of freeloaders, on e contrary they piss me off big time. But I'm worried about the implementation. It wouldn't be the first time a legislation has been rammed through without thinking it through, or listening to the experts. And when the motivation behind the legislation isn't just about nation building, the bugs might actually be features.
Let's hope it works as advertised..
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u/rmflow Oct 24 '25
to be eligible again you just need to wait extra 2.5 years without welfare support
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u/kada_pup Oct 24 '25
Is it good that the clock resets for people who have worked for several years, paid taxes, and one day they lose their jobs due to the bad economy? Finding a new job in a small job market and high unemployment is rarely doable in 3 months by the way
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u/Dependent-Layer-1789 Oct 24 '25
Average Finn over 50 takes 2 years to get re-employed after layoff. I haven't seen any stats for immigrants but it must be the same or worse. Finding work within 3 months is extremely unlikely.
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u/AdvantageFit1833 Oct 24 '25
Yes it is good. It's a risk coming to a country and trying to get citizenship, i have never even considered doing something like that.
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u/kada_pup Oct 24 '25
Please enlighten me. I believe that a person who has lived and worked in a foreign country for several years without seeking citizenship likely has little interest in learning the local language, integrating socially or exercising their voting rights in a place they consider a second home. Or, they plan to come back to their home country when the time is right and don't consider moving back
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u/AdvantageFit1833 Oct 24 '25
Sounds good to me, what's not to like. I don't see how working for two years and then falling into unemployment should reward a citizenship.
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u/idkud Oct 24 '25
Yeah, there should be a bonus/malus system, where you accumulate bonus with working, etc. But fact is, it is always so that good folks get punished along with the leeches. Hopefully, the next left leaning government will not entirely nix this, but balance it out to be more fair to productive people.
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u/EppuBenjamin Oct 24 '25
Yes, being a lazy f*** is exclusively reserved for ethnic finns
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u/kada_pup Oct 24 '25
I asked a Finn the same question, and they answered, "Kantasuomalaiset deserve all the rights and privileges this country can provide".
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u/WeekendHer0 Oct 24 '25
Are they wrong?
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
Nah they're not wrong. We are guest. No one forced used to move here. It's simple math. We all come here for better future. Either we succeed or go back home.
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u/Pussypants Oct 24 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
I studied and now canât find a job in my field, and am punished for this? Fuck right off. Life isnât black and white where every person on welfare is on the sofa doing nothing. Some of us still contribute to society even if not employed through culture, familial support, volunteer work, honing skills in preparation for employment, but because some of you live in a little bubble you donât ever meet people who have less and are in a struggling situation and end up supporting these ridiculous populist decisions.
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u/CessuBF Oct 24 '25
You are not punished. You are just not eligible for a privilege. Those are two different things.
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u/Just-Ad-6658 Oct 24 '25
Maybe you should study these things before giving your two cents of bs?
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u/Pussypants Oct 24 '25
Study my own lived experience� And the experience of many many people all around me? I meet lots of new people who are in such a similar position.
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u/MitVitQue Oct 24 '25 edited Oct 24 '25
Purra chose to live on welfare for over 2 decades.Just saying.
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u/BayBaeBenz Oct 24 '25
True. She would not meet the requirements herself so I suggest that she should set the example for other foreigners and renounce her citizenship.
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u/MitVitQue Oct 24 '25
She's also one those who wanted to make sacking people easy if they are incompetent.
First: not too sel-aware, are we?
Second: the incompetent can already be easily sacke, for fucks sake...
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u/BayBaeBenz Oct 24 '25
Those immigrants driving for Wolt at 3 am were fucking up her plans. But now that this reform is signed and the big work is done, she can now get started fixing the country don't worry! Unemployment should reach 0% in roughly 2 to 3 weeks. If it still doesn't work, try to do your part as a citizen and start throwing some rocks at the immigrants you see in the streets, that should accelerate the recovery of the economy says minister Riikka.
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Oct 24 '25
She is Finnish and a native to the country.
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u/millenia3d Oct 24 '25
wish she wasn't, she's a national disgrace and we'd all be better off without her and her scissors.
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u/BayBaeBenz Oct 24 '25
So does this mean that the concept of citizenship is separate from one's financial situation?
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Oct 24 '25
Only if you are native to a country. If you are immigrating to somewhere else in the world you are under a different framework and scrutiny
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u/Markuski32 Oct 24 '25
Btw this is the case in many other countries. Similar rules are applied in Sweden, Germany and Denmark and probably other countries too. In my opinion this is a good thing. If you've been slacking off and not contributing to society, you don't deserve citizenship!
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u/Rich-Cantaloupe7822 Dec 08 '25
Were you even talking about the same policy here? So the other countries also stop you from getting citizenship in the next 2 years if you take unemployment benefits for 3 months + 1 day? And that is slacking off to you?what I hope when you do get layoff (in this global economy, its gonna happen to all of us at some point) you dont take any benefits ever.
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
Where can i see that information đ€Łđ€Ł
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u/jeffscience Oct 24 '25
https://stm.fi/en/minister-of-social-security/-/min/riikka-purra
âPurra worked at the university, for example, as a graduate student and teacher. In 2016, she stared work as a political planner in the Finns Party.â
Neither grad student or political planner are real jobs, especially when youâre a graduate student for a decade but never produce a dissertation.
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Oct 24 '25
Iâm quite certain that this isnât the own youâre hoping this to be.
The vast majority of left wing (SDP, Vihr, Vas) representatives are similar âforever-academicsâ, or âbroilersâ from party affiliated orgs, or other useless and non-profit clubs. Sanna Marin is the perfect example.
The most experienced CVâs, statistically, are from Kokoomus and KD representatives. PS is fluctuating (academics, blue collars, business professionals, ex police, and career KELA rats).
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u/jeffscience Oct 24 '25
My comment was not partisan. I want qualified people in parliament, regardless of affiliation.
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
Third phase will add more surprise imo. Wondering what citizenship test will look like.
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u/KofFinland Oct 24 '25
You can propably get an idea from the tests of other EU countries like Austria, Denmark, Germany, Lithuania, Luxenbourg, Netherlands, Estonia, Greece, Spain..
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u/SatisfactionKooky621 Oct 24 '25
You will need to win TIMPPA in a Sauna contest. Last time a Russian guy died trying that...
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u/RoRoRoub Oct 24 '25
The alternative for him was probably getting blown up on the frontline
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u/SatisfactionKooky621 Oct 25 '25
This was a long time ago... Not many contenders for obvious reasons...
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u/jijiji07 Oct 24 '25
As a foreigner that has been living in Finland for 4 years now. I think this is fair and just. Why would you let people leech off hard earned tax money?
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u/bangalimahbub Oct 24 '25
Agreed. imo You're a guest in the country. The country can do whatever the fuck they want. If they stop giving passports. That's their policy. I will never care. No one forcing anyone to move here or anything. In future all eu countries will have strict policies against immigrants.
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u/jijiji07 Oct 24 '25
True. The real problem is, some people are taking advantage of the benefits without having to even work for it. I came from a third world country and Finland is definitely far ahead and everything here is better. But everything I have, I gained from working hard and contributed to the country by paying my taxes.
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u/DangerToDangers Oct 24 '25
So you think you don't deserve citizenship if you get laid off after working several years and you use the unemployment benefit that you paid for?
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u/jijiji07 Oct 24 '25
Is that what the law implies? I haven't read the full document. There is definitely clause there that specifies certain scenarios like such. Also, why would you need a citizenship in the first place if you can't get a job in the country anyway? Go back home and try your luck elsewhere. Also, taxes I paid are already given back by different means, not just the "unemployment benefit". You have a nice transportation. Well maintained roads. Clean sidewalks. Health benefits etc. Also, it is unfair for people who actually LIVE in the country if foreigners are getting the benefits to whom they should be getting instead.
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u/DangerToDangers Oct 24 '25
I've lived in this country for 13 years. I'm working now to get my citizenship. Do you really think I don't deserve to get citizenship if I'm between jobs for 3 months?
There is definitely clause there that specifies certain scenarios like such.
Not as far as I know.
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u/jijiji07 Oct 24 '25
My first question is, what have you been doing for 13 years? I believe you only need 8 or even 5 years before to get a citizenship. I'm sure that you already heard about this through news channels or social media. Anyway, it says "if you solely rely on umeployment benefits" for the last 3 months. YOU HAVE AMPLE TIME TO APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP WITHIN THAT 3 MONTHS. WHY WOULD YOU WAIT FOR IT TO REACH THAT POINT?
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u/otchyirish Oct 24 '25
This makes me feel so much better about the cost of everything, the 10% unemployment and the massive cuts to public service.
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u/Motzlord Oct 24 '25
Classic populism, never adress the real issues (that you promised to fix), instead focus on some meaningless political crusade to satisfy your idiot supporters who can't be bothered to look past their hate for a split second.
I mean, I don't disagree with this policy per se but it's not really something even remotely at the top of the priority list. Just goes to show how tilted their world view is. It would be interesting to see statistics on this, like how often did this actually happen? Considering that you need to pass a language test for citizenship as well, I kind of doubt this was ever a real issue.
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Oct 24 '25
I would say that everyone should in fact also disagree with the policy. The people who will be the most turned off by this change are in fact skilled worker immigrants - for specialist roles just the application process for a new role can easily take more than 3 months. And since skilled workers seldom become unemployed by choice, usually due to budget cuts by their employer, for them this is just an extra punishment for something they can't really affect anyway.
Now, if you chose sensible limits, say, 9 months over 3 years, then we can start discussing whether this makes any sense, but as it stands? Just idiocy. And yes, I am judging the proposal as idiotic even though it can be fixed, because a government who prioritizes pushing through a change without bothering to sanity check their numbers is indeed idiotic.
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u/Motzlord Oct 24 '25
Absolutely. I meant that the general sentiment of the policy is not fully ridiculous. The whole thing is of course idiotic because they are completely and utterly incompetent.
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u/bambooz_le Oct 27 '25
This is pointless to you maybe. Very good for the bigger picture on the long run.
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u/bloatedbarbarossa Oct 25 '25
The reason PS is as big as it is, is because other parties refused to speak against immigration. For their voters, this is a real issue.
I'm married to an a woman who's not Finnish, she's not even from the EU and here are few things that I've noticed.
When a group has few bad apples, the whole group gets the bad rep, not just the bad apples.
Negative experiences are 10x more likely to get talked about with other people than good ones.
Most immigrants don't exactly care to learn Finnish and most of them didn't even have to because of how spouse visa works. One of you is citizen, other has technically permanent residence permit due to spouse visa, all of your kids will get the citizenship because they're children of Finnish citizen.
Other topic starts here.
If the government actually went after the biggest demographic of users of social benefits, that would be the retired people... there won't be huge direct cuts but they most likely will try to figure a way how less people in future will be able to get them.
Personally I feel like no matter who's in the government, they're gonna be blamed for anything and everything by those that didn't vote for them. Sometime's it is valid, like the unemployment for this government and invalid like the loans, we're in the NATO and there were some unforeseen expenses that can't be blamed on them.
Then there are the obvious double standards like complaining about behavior of certain heads of the state acting immaturely while having our own prime minister acting like an 18 year old that acts like they moved into their first own apartment.
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u/Motzlord Oct 25 '25
The thing is, it's fine to be against immigration and to further policies that actually make sense. But this just feels like putting a plaster on a mosquito bite and saying "here, I saved your life".
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u/Motzlord Oct 24 '25
Good job with the whataboutism. This has nothing to do with that. Like I said, I support this law, but it adresses a problem that probably didn't really exist and distracts from the fact that they're doing fuck all to fix the real issues. And people like you suck it up because you just see that they're doing something against immigration. So they're basically creating this layer of fog to hide the fact that they're incapable of fixing the economy, instead waste their time on stuff like this and present it like it's the salvation of the century.
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u/99Pedro Oct 26 '25
You are sarcastic but for Persut voters (and similar people around the world) it really does. And that's how right-wing parties can easily manipulate them: "Everything is getting much worse for you but we punished immigrants even more" "That's all good then!"
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u/Ms_Cacao Oct 26 '25 edited Oct 26 '25
Youâre so ignorant that you donât realize that immigrants were never the real problem to this. The right wing have really got the worse from you all but let me tell you- the amount of Finnish people living off kelaâs money is absurd. Every single Finnish person I know gets economic support from kela and many of them live completely off it. Students, single mothers or single fathers, drug addicts, alcoholics, people with some kind of âmental health problemâ, etc; oh! And donât forget about all those children living in foster homes, there are several foster homes in every area of a city and the government gives them a considerable amount of money every month and when they turn 18 the government gets them a place to live and all their expenses completely covered as well meanwhile their addicts parents are still ârecoveringâ and buying more drugs off your money but I guess nobody really wants to talk about that? Believing that this will fix some of your problems is really funny. This government likes people like you.
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u/otchyirish Oct 26 '25
Man, that was the most sarcastic comment I've ever put. Everyone else replying got that, I don't know why you didn't
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u/Key_Grapefruit_5888 Oct 24 '25
As a foreigner myself, I think the law isnât that bad, but it would be nice if it included a bit more detail. Thereâs a huge difference between people who have become unemployed in todayâs economy and those who have relied on social benefits for years.
As a Ukrainian, I find it frustrating when I meet other Ukrainians who depend on Finnish social benefits and say that âEurope owes them money and should pay them.â These same people might eventually become citizens while contributing nothing to the country.
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u/Nasstja Oct 24 '25
Why do they think Europe owes them money? What is the logic behind that?
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u/FaeErrant Oct 25 '25
probably that europe has been funding russia for a long time while trying to act tough against russia, meaning that there's a lot of oil and gas money we've all collectively paid into the war on ukraine thus we owe them money. Which... idk. Not saying it is good logic. Just probably the line of thinking.
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u/Wise_Mistake_ Oct 24 '25
Iâm not particularly against the idea behind the law; if you donât contribute to the system you do not yet qualify to be a citizen. The problem is the way itâs implemented: if you contributed negatively to the system in the last 24 months more than 3, youâre not entitled to the citizenship. Do you see the difference between the two? One will push people to try and find suitable jobs that are legit on tax and whatnot, for example if you say you need to have worked 80% during your stay or something like that. The other option will push people to work illegally which drives many bad societal levers upwards. Itâs a bad idea to link anything to absolute values, one might be living in Finland for 15 years, havenât thought of applying to be a citizen before but now they have (American or Britts are in this category), and were working majority of the time apart but got laid off or something, would still be in the same category as someone who never worked for the part 4 years.
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u/BFPLaktana Oct 24 '25
Entire country goes to shit the moment I become a resident. Must be my peasant's luck...
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u/nord_musician Oct 25 '25 edited Oct 25 '25
I'm torn with this. In a country with a lot of jobs and vibrant ass fuck economy I'd say okay sure but Finland has one of the highest unemployment rates in the EU
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u/Loud_Ad9881 Oct 24 '25
In some cases, it might be a better option to become a criminal than to receive social security. At least you have a possibility not to get caught and becoming a citizen later.
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u/hibiscuscous Oct 24 '25
Stop being so rational or thinking about the long-term consequences. That's not part of the toolkit for this government.
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u/cowboy_snoots Oct 24 '25
I was thinking about this -- it sounds very American (as an American myself) so I wouldn't be surprised if you have similar outcomes as us.
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u/rightpolis Oct 24 '25
Honestly, this racists country deserves all the criminals it will get from this. They can't expect people to work all the time and people who came here from elsewhere do not have it easy. This country needs every person it can get and it should be happy that people even want to be here
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u/SweetPuzzleheaded319 Oct 24 '25
Love your tearsđ€Ł Cant get citizenship just for being lazy and claiming free benefits boohoođ„Čđ„Č
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u/Sawmain Oct 24 '25
So whatâs your alternative point of view ? Give everyone money just because they had a tough life ?
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u/ExistingFennel4429 Oct 25 '25
Iâm confused about how foreigners are meant to study finnish intensively and integrate but also work full time at the same time. I had to take 3 years on unemployment to become fluent.
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u/Sufficient-Neat-3084 Oct 25 '25
If I HAD a job, applied for citizenship and it hasnât been granted yet (cause it appears to take years) and only work part time now and get some unemployment money⊠will this affect me ?
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u/YourShowerCompanion Oct 24 '25
Grotesque harridan with no degree and experience in finance and economy, yet playing minister of finance.
Her only accomplishment: a vauva.fi account.
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u/jeffscience Oct 24 '25
I find it utterly amazing that someone who has never held a real job is the finance minister of a European country. This is banana republic stuff.
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u/kada_pup Oct 24 '25
PS is an expert at magnifying one small problem out of a billion and making it the biggest problem ever. For them, bad economy = immigration, worsened security = immigration, weakened social security = too many immigrants. If their dream comes true one day, since immigration is stopped completely, should PS exit politics?
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u/Sharp-Extent9745 Oct 24 '25
Think of it like this: your party has no skilled people , no platform and nothing to offer. What's the easiest target to seize power and put the blame on ?
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u/lavidaloki Oct 26 '25
It makes me concerned about disabled people, people who are over working age, etc. Are they just never able to become citizens? People who are unemployed and on Kela rn but paid into the system deserve the protection, and are being punished for it.
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u/Majestic_Command_109 Oct 24 '25
As an immigrant, I think this is fair. Have seen too many abusing the system unfortunately
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u/IntelligentTune Oct 24 '25
Unfortunate behavior from her. It's a bit ridiculous though with the limits. The average job search time is now 3 months. In which case you have to live with the unreasonable anxiety that you'll be fired for any reason at all (weakening firing laws recently even more) and lose the chance at citizenship for... Another 2 years was it? Depending on the sector this employment security isn't that secure, but it's not the worker's fault if it's that easy to fire. Or no... It actually is their fault. They should have just kept their mouth shut and taken the potential abuse. Smh
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