r/Fencesitter • • Jul 21 '26

Updated Moderation Rules

96 Upvotes

Hello Everyone.

It's been a few years since my co-mod and I took over moderating this sub and we thought it was time for a bit of a rules refresh.

FYI, we are both still active in this sub although we don't post under our moderator screen names. And yes, one of us is CF and one of us is a parent. That was the original intention in an attempt to maintain balance. We've considered adding a fencesitter moderator but that's difficult since fencesitters eventually become CF or parents. We're still figuring that one out.

Ok, on to the rules:

First of all, some guiding ideas this sub is founded which we think are important for everyone to understand.

  • Principle 1 - It's meant to help fencesitters. We are a place for people who are struggling with this decision. Yes, we welcome comments from childfree and parents as well, but ultimately this is a place for fencesitters to feel at home and try to figure out what they want to do. This is not a debate sub for CF and parents to argue over which is best.
  • Principle 2 - There are no right answers. We don't believe that parenting is always better than childfree, we don't believe 2 kids are better than 1, we don't believe adopting is better than bio kids, we don't believe childfree is better than step parenting. Whatever combo you wish to use, we don't believe one option is inherently better than the other. They are all situational and very subjective. There might be a right answer for you, but there is no answer that is right for everyone.

Keep these two things in mind because they are extremely important to how we moderate this sub.

So why do comments get removed and users get banned?

The easiest answer is that the commentor was being a jerk. Some people just have a hard time being civil to one another and those folks are not welcome here. We literally had one person argue against their ban by saying "oh, I didn't know you guys insisted on people not being assholes". Yah, if you're the kind of person who is an asshole unless it's expressly prohibited, you definitely don't belong here.

Also, if you are being attacked, please don't reply in kind. Just report it and move on.

Ok, so here are some other things we look for that might not be as obvious.

Generalizing - This is a common issue. All CF are lonely, all parents are miserable, procreating is always good, having kids is always selfish. The trend here is one of over generalizing. I'm sure some CF people are lonely and some parents are miserable, but not all. We have plenty of CF posters with friends and happy parents posting here to know this isn't accurate.

Note, this is also why we remove most comments that touch on religion. We don't care if you're Jewish, Christian, Satanist, Pastafarian, Anti-natalist or what not. If you subscribe to a philosophy that says having kids is always good or always bad that's fine for you, it's not fine for this sub. We don't do preaching here.

I really want to emphasize that last bit. We do NOT do preaching here. If you are CF or a parent and you're thinking about making a post about how all fencesitters should do this or that, please don't. We love hearing from you and we enjoy your experience and we love the AMA's that parents and CF folks do. We think those are great for others to learn from your experience. That's very different from preaching right or wrong.

Climate Change / Politics threads - We know that these are themes that weigh heavily on some people and we respect that. We're more than happy to allow threads in which people discuss their feelings on their own choices due to these themes. What we don't allow is for people to use these themes to beat up other readers for their choices. Again, refer to principle 2. If climate change is causing you to reconsider your decision that is absolutely fair. If you're coming here to argue that all parents are awful because of climate change that will be removed.

We will also remove any comments from people arguing back and forth about the reality of climate change. There are other sub for that, this isn't one of them. For the record, both of us believe climate change is real, we just can't take more arguments about the latest report and what it means for sea level changes in Norway vs. peak temperatures in Mongolia and how those will impact rice prices.

Gatekeeping - This encompasses a variety of responses ranging from the "there are no guarantees" and "you must be prepared for all scenarios including the worst ones!" to the "you must be 100% sure!" or "if it's not a hell yes it's a not" variety. In general, these contribute nothing to the discussion. Even worse, they are a comment meant to prey on fencesitters by either parents or CF folks. They're usually said by someone who believes their point of view is objectively right for everyone and who is then trying to trigger doubt in fencesitters.

Allow us to illustrate some examples so you can see why these comments are not welcome here.

"Yah, there are no guarantees, even if you eat healthy and exercise you might get hit by a car". Sure, but eating healthy and exercising is still a good idea because statistically it's clearly better. Also, do you really think you're revealing something big to our fencesitter subscribers by revealing to them that there are no guarantees in life? Do you think they would be on the fence if they thought everything was guaranteed?

"Unless you are willing to be raped, don't date!" "Unless you understand every possible bad outcome of your dental surgery, including the one where your jaw falls off and you die, you're not ready!" See how useless that is? No one is ok with every bad scenario. Heck, my anxious mind can always dream up new and even worse scenarios that I am certain none of you has prepared for.

"You must be 100% sure that you know everything that can happen if you take this job". Really? How do you even know you're 100% sure? How do you know that you've done all your analysis? Is there a way to quantify this? Same for the "hell yah" comment. "Unless you're a clear yes, don't marry this person". What does that mean? Is someone not allowed to have concerns? Yes, I love this person and I want to spend the rest of my life with them but I'm concerned about their in-laws because of blah blah blah and you see where we're going?

Just stop with these comments. They don't help.

Discounting and discrediting - "Oh, what do you know, you're just hormonal", "Oh, what do you know, your kid is only 3 months old", "Oh, what do you know, you have no kids", "Oh, I know this was your experience but there are others with different experiences". Yes, we get it, just stop. They are clearly presenting their personal context and that's great. Are they generalizing too much? If so, we will remove them. Otherwise, stop being the thought police. People are allowed to present their individual view point without you trying to discredit them.

Derogatory - These are the folks who come here with comments like "don't have kids, all parents are tired and miserable" or "don't be CF, all CF people are lonely and joyless". If you're here to argue that your side of the fence is best, don't do it by shit talking the other side. Ideally, try to help instead of argue.

And yes, we will remove these posts even if they come from CF or parents. That is, a negative comment about all parents / parenting made by a parent will be still be removed. Why? Because we have no way of verifying who is a parent and who isn't. Same as we cannot verify who is CF and who isn't.

Oh, and we want to take a moment and discuss gender specific comments. We get it, believe me we get it. A large portion of the work involved with child bearing and rearing falls unfairly on women. That is a fact. Sexism is also a fact, which is why we banned baby trapping comments since they were 99% coming from sexist men. But...

This isn't intended to be a space for women to denigrate all men. No, we don't need you to finish every comment with #NotAllMen, but we do need to keep the generalizing down. "Oh, men want kids like kids want puppies", "Oh, being a dad is so easy, you just get to play and not do any work", "Oh, men's voices shouldn't matter when it comes to the decision to have or not have kids" are not acceptable here.

Rants - Last but not least, this is not a rant sub. Sorry folks, we're not interested in moderating rants because they inevitably result in arguments from the people you're ranting about.

Ok, that's all. Please feel free to add questions and comments. We fully admit we're not perfect but we're trying our best and are always open to constructive feedback.


r/Fencesitter • • Oct 29 '24

Reflections Perspective from years of fencesitting

292 Upvotes

Early on in my life I always wanted to have kids, the older I became the more on the fence I was, even with a brief period of time of not wanting kids at all. I have been on and off the fence throughout my 20s and now in my early 30s I still am, though heavily leaning towards having children after all. I wanted to offer support to others in similar situations, I have a couple of years of therapy behind me, trying to figure out what I want, I have spent hundreds of hours talking with various people and their perspective on kids and I have created a list of questions to ask yourself and statements to read that I wish someone would give me 10 years ago.

I want to preface this by saying, no one can answer the question "is having kids right for me" or "should I have kids" or "should I be child free". No one but you. In this post I'm trying to show perspective, talk about fears and POVs that people have on having kids. I really hope this will be of help to someone.

I believe there are multiple POVs and multiple "aspects" of life to consider. Your relationship, ambitions/goals, fears, pregnancy (for women), economical status and more. I will not say things like "you really need to want to have kids to have them" or "you should not have kids if your partner wants them and you don't". I will also not say things like "you will never change your mind" or "you will change your mind".

We do not know the future. The therapists I talked with said that they have seen everything, people swapping their views after multiple years in a relationship; not changing them; forcing themselves to have kids and then ending up loving it.

We do not know the future, we cannot possibly predict if having kids or not is the right for us or if it will make us happy, regardless of our reservations or fears. It is definitely way easier to not have kids if you fear having them or don't want to put in the effort. There are challenges regardless if you are CF or have kids.

Ultimately it is a DECISION, it should not be based purely on emotions, consider your circumstances, the context of your life, relationship, what you know that makes you happy. Regardless of what path you picks there will likely be regrets and consequences, but talk with your partner and make it a responsible decision.

With that being said, consider the following:

Decision (the "wants"):
- No matter how much you want/don't want kids, having/not having them does not guarantee you will be happy.
- No matter how much you don't want kids, having them does not guarantee you will be miserable.
- Having/Not having kids will do to your life what you will allow it to do.
- The decision is yours and your partner, not your parents', not your uncle's, not your best friend's, and definitely not some random people's in the comments on some article or post.
- Having kids does not mean your life will end.
- Not having kids does not mean you will be missing out on something in life.

Relationship:
- How happy are you in your current relationship?
- Is your partner someone you could see having a family with? (broad question, can you imagine them being a good parent)
- How is your communication? How do you navigate difficult situations? Do you fight? Scream? Shut down? Or do you talk and have difficult conversations but work together towards a resolution?
- Do you feel safe with your partner?
- Are there things you are withholding from your partner? Maybe you don't like something about them or they keep annoying you but you ignore that instead of addressing the issue? Are there things like that, that you bury deep within yourself?
- Are your needs met in your relationship?
- How attracted are you to your partner? How is your sex life?
- What is your partner's potential to change/adapt, do they respect you? do you see how much they have grown over the years and how are they handling responsibility?
- Do you feel a connection? A Bond? Or do you not feel heard or understood?
- Do they bring the best in you? Or do they bring you down?
- Do you want to grow with them? How do you feel when thinking about future with them?
- Do you share your cognitive load with them? Are they proactive with chores?
- Do you love and respect your partner? Do they love and respect you?

The choice of your partner has a significant impact on your life, if you have a stable relationship that isn't toxic, one that brings you joy and happiness, and is a safe space - it will likely be so if you decide to have kids and if you decide not to have them. Have a conversation about it.

Goals/Aspirations:
- What are your goals in life? If you don't have goals, what goals or aspirations have you buried deep inside? What were things that you wanted to do, but for whatever reason decided not to. Generally speaking, where would you like to be?
- Are your goals impossible to achieve if you have/don't have kids? Or would they simply require more work in either case?
- Are you more career oriented? Or family oriented?

Having kids or not does not mean your life ends, no newborn asked you to sacrifice your life for them. There are people who train for ultramarathons while having kids, I know people who wrote and released books and grew their careers or started companies while taking care of a newborn and a one year old. People generally tend to manage to have multiple kids and also house pets. Daycares exist, they are costly but maybe something can be done about it, maybe you both can find better jobs, or maybe there are government programs to help finance it.

There is also a matter of life satisfaction and regrets, in general people find meaning in life by leaving an impact on the world. You may become a scientist and help humanity through science, you may become a volunteer at try to help people in need. Quite often people find satisfaction in raising a kid and building a family, as it is "relatively easy" to make a child and seeing it grow. Or maybe you want to become a CEO or create your own company? No matter what has value to you, can you do it with/without having kids? Are you actively working towards a goal or do you have a goal in mind but you never do anything towards it?

I personally find that taking on more responsibility has lead to my personal growth and to more satisfaction in life. However every time I ran away from responsibility it lead to negative emotions. Sometimes having kids is the best motivation for someone to get their life together, it is risky but tends to work when a lot of other things don't.

Fears/Reservations:
There are a lot of fears regarding having and not having kids.
- Fear of pregnancy (for women)
- Fear of not being a priority (for men and women)
- Fear of being abandoned and having to care for the child on your own
- Fear of body changes made by pregnancy
- Fear that you kid will be unhealthy in some way
- Fear of getting your body destroyed by pregnancy
- Fear of responsibility
- Fear that you will not be a good parent
- Fear of destroying someone (newborn)'s life
- Fear of being alone when you are old
- Fear of missing out
- Fear of childbirth
- Fear of wasting your life
- Fear of passing your traumas to your kid
- probably many more

As once again, we do not know the future - we don't know what fears will come true, however - fear as an emotion is trying to alert you of imaginary dangers of certain actions. You fear walking alone in a deep forest because an animal might attack you, you fear going out at night because you might get mugged. Fear is an emotion, it is a feature not a bug, it increased the chances of survival for our ancestors.

Do you want to make your decision based on fear? A lot of them can be worked through with a therapist if you so desire, it is extra work but might help. You probably don't have all the fears I listed, however what can you do to mitigate these that you are aware of?

- If you fear responsibility, do you fear it just in the context of having a kid? or do you feel stuck in life and that kind of fear is holding you down?
- If you fear being old and alone, what friendships or what relationships can you nurture so that you always have someone to talk to?
- If you fear that you will waste your life with either option, why is that? What is it that having/not having kids represents in your mind? What have you been conditioned to believe?
- If you worry if you are going to be a good/bad parent, that is already a sign that you would at least try to be good. If you have some problems like severe drug or alcohol addiction it would be responsible to take care of that before having a child.
- If you worry that you will destroy, a kid's life and maybe even your own -> kids don't need as much as we think they do, we tend to want to give them the world however, a kid mostly needs a parent who is present, who listens. If you have a good relationship with your partner and you are both there for each other, you would likely also be there for your kid, and you would figure it out.
- You do not have to have everything figured out immediately.
- Expanding your knowledge tends to do wonders, we generally fear things we do not understand and have a twisted image of them in our minds.
- For a lot of fears CBT therapy is said to have really positive prognosis, so you can somewhat except that it will reduce your fears and help you adjust your thinking

Having kids is likely a unique experience, one that cannot be replicated with other people's kids, nieces, pets etc. But is it ok to have them out of FOMO? Are you ok without experiencing being a parent in your life? Raising a child does not last a lifetime, you will always be a parent - but your kid will have its own life eventually and you will still have many years ahead of you.

Therapists said to me that at the end of life, a lot of old people regret not having spent more time with people dear to them, with their families. I'm still young but I can imagine that my career is not something I will care about 20 years from now.

Pregnancy:
If you fear pregnancy, you can talk to a doctor about the process, you can get examined and see how healthy you are. Talk to your family and your partner's family, how healthy were you and your siblings when you were born? What effects did pregnancy have on your mother or grandmother. Is there a history of birth defects or autism or any other "diseases" or problems in your family? Can you get examined to see how likely it is that it will happen to you?

If you are pregnant already, you have prenatal examinations available, in some countries they are free after certain age, you can monitor your child's health and see if its growing healthy. However, as we don't know the future even if a kid is born healthy it doesn't mean it won't get hit by a car 5 years later, and so we don't know if you won't. We do not know what life will bring, there are a lot of dangers we do not even consider when living our daily lives.

As for body changes and fear of childbirth:
- do you take care of yourself?
- do you eat healthy?
- do you work out?
- can you afford a private hospital and better conditions for your childbirth?
- what forms of pain killers are available in hospitals in your area?
- have you ever read about c-section and natural birth, about their pros and cons? both for you and a kid

Taking care of yourself physically will make your pregnancy easier, at the very least your back will not hurt. And there seems to be a positive effect of working out certain muscles that seems to make giving birth easier. A close friend of mine started preparing for pregnancy 2 years in advance by working out and taking some supplements to make pregnancy easier. Once again it is more work but maybe its not impossible?

Parenting:
Kids want attention, they want to be listened to, they want you to be there - they don't want a smartphone or a tablet. That does not mean you have to be with them 24/7. In the past the whole village would help raise children together, primarily, it was women's responsibility. However the idea that parents spend all their time with children is relatively new.

- Do you have a natural support group? (parents? grandparents? siblings with/without their kids? friends?)
- Do you have someone to leave the kids with so that you can enjoy a weekend or a vacation in peace?
- Can you afford daycare?
- You can get to know your neighbors, some of them may have kids and yours could occasionally visit them and vice versa.
- Can you afford a nanny?
- Can you leave your kids in someone's care? Would a close friend be able to take care of them for a couple of hours so that you have an evening to yourself?
- Can you send your kids to boarding school?
- Can you communicate with your partner so that one day they take care of kids, next day you do, and the day after you do it together?
- Can you mix your hobbies and taking care of a kid? (if you like jogging, you can buy a jogging stroller; if you ride a bicycle - mount a chair for your kid to sit so you can ride together, do you like to read or sing? - maybe you can sing songs or read books to your children, maybe your local gym has a room for leaving kids, or you can just take them with you, or maybe you can draw with them, do some sports, go kayaking and take your kid with you - maybe they will like it as well, doing cosplay - dress up together with your kid, do some DIYs or anything else that you are passionate about - there is a high chance you can somehow include your child).
- Can you afford to hire help? Like a cleaning person that will clean your home every week or two?
- Are you alright with being the main parent (parent who spends more time with the kid, than the other)?
- Are you alright with not being the main parent?
- Is there any compromise, however absurd, that you can at least talk about with your partner?

There are different options available to get some time off. Some are quite costly but regardless - the very least you can do is to communicate your needs, talk with your partner and your kid, set a boundary. Sometimes you need time to yourself and this is perfectly fine. You do not have to be with your kid 24/7.

Economics:
- Can you afford a child? If not can you do something about it?
- Can you afford - not having a child? It is a stupid argument maybe but some of my friends earn way more money and have better jobs than their parents, and they do support them.
- Do you have enough space no to go crazy? It is hard to raise a kid in a 16 m^2 flat.
- How stable is your job? What are your opportunities?
- Does your job require you to go for long business trips?
- Can you do something to improve your financial situation? (courses, education and finding a better paying job?)

Your lives, your relationships, your contexts are all unique. There isn't a single person who can tell you what is best for you, but consider everything you have, everything that you would have to give up or lose, everything that you could gain, before making a decision.

It is a good idea to educate yourself and talk to medical professionals or people more knowledgeable in these matters. Having a child is a responsible decision, not having a child is also one of them. Ask yourself, do your really not want a child (which is completely fine if you don't), or do you perhaps not want what the child or family represents? What emotions do these things evoke in you? What did you see in life or what did you experience that made you think that you want or don't want a child? Or are you maybe running away from something? Maybe you fear abandonment and think that having a child will guarantee a lifelong relationship with your partner? Or maybe you are trying to run from something that a family represents?

In the end I believe that having a child is a decision, one to take with your partner. It is not something that you have full control over, sometimes people want kids but can't have them for variety of reasons.

I think that regardless of your decision, take responsibility for your life, take good care of yourself. It is a difficult topic that can be looked at from many different angles.

I hope I was able to help.


r/Fencesitter • • 1h ago

Childfree Intense FOMO from my CF decision

28 Upvotes

I’m 30F. I’ve always wanted to be CF. Even found myself a CF partner. But now one by one, all of our friends are getting pregnant. One fear of mine is that after they have kids, my friends will not have space for CF folks like me in their lives. And obviously I’m feeling extremely intense FOMO.
At the end of the day i do not want to have kids. I cannot envision myself as a mother. This is not something i want at all. But 4 different people i know have gotten pregnant in the last 8-9 months and every time i hear the news, a pit forms in my stomach. If the societal pressure was gone and i had a CF friend group, i wouldn’t even think about it. But now i feel like I’m a weirdo and that I’ve ostracised myself from society because having children is normal. And it’s just messing with my brain.
CF folks, how do you deal with these thoughts?
And parents, do you actually think CF people are odd or maybe not normal?


r/Fencesitter • • 14h ago

Got off the fence, got pregnant, wish I hadn’t gotten off the fence…

170 Upvotes

I am a 31 F who is happily married and thankfully in a good lifestyle position as a couple. I am an only child with no family of my own, and am relatively close with my MIL and my husbands extended family, but with some recent fractures and awkwardness.

In hindsight, I got swept up in the concept and theory of how pregnancy and childbirth are this human experience that I want to be a part of, along with a baby boom in my friend group.

I found out a few weeks ago that I was pregnant and my husband and I were shocked and not excited. I panicked and secretly hoped for a miscarriage. We are capable people and this all conceptually would work out pretty fine if we continued.

I never expected to feel this way. I know hormones are a factor, but I feel grounded in my gut about how this doesn’t feel like a good move MOST of the time since I found out. I really just feel like I romanticized the experience and the social support available to me, and I’m just at a loss of how I thought moving forward in this direction was a good idea.

Edit: I have both an 8 week appointment and a termination scheduled, feels super weird honestly

Any thoughts or guidance about how to navigate this is greatly appreciated. Thank you


r/Fencesitter • • 15h ago

I want to want them

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Does anyone else want to want kids but feel nothing? I am married to a wonderful man whose life long dream is to become a dad. Together for 10 years, married 4, both 31.
Lately, he has become increasingly ready to have a child and is okay with only one, however I don’t feel strongly about the desire at all, and days I feel like I just don’t want one. It’s like when you’re trying to decide what you want to eat but nothing sounds good (I know I should not compare it to that). I also love my life, job and independence. I have so many friends, craving new experiences, traveling and being in the world. He is definitely a homebody and ok with that while I live sometimes a completely different life… I feel like I should WANT one, have the drive and desire… but I just don’t and not sure if I ever will. He is willing to wait for me for now, but it’s killing me inside. I know he won’t stay if I end up child free.
So my question is, does anyone else not feel the drive? And is the drive really necessary? I know other people long to have a baby, and I don’t feel anything. If it wasn’t for him, I question if I would really just be 100% child free.

To note, we can afford one, would have support, a community, and many friends around us are having kids, but yet I feel nothing.


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Scared of having a special-needs kid, unsure about abortion as an option

45 Upvotes

My husband and I have been mutually on the fence about kids but always leaned towards “probably”. He recognizes it’s a bigger decision for me due to pregnancy and delivery, so he’s flexible and says he supports what I choose. He’s a wonderful man and would be a great co-parent.

We’re starting to talk more seriously about kids lately. We’re more confident now about saying we want kids, but our main holdup is fear of a kid with severe disabilities or health issues. I know "the risks are small", and "we all take risks every day like driving a car", blah blah blah, but I’m terrified of having a child with special needs. It feels like life on extra hard mode. We live by family, are financially secure, and have good health, so we’re trying to set ourselves up for success.

My husband is supportive of abortion if we discover the fetus has any major issues, but I’m not sure. We both grew up Christian and I’m still somewhat practicing. I’m pro-choice but not sure how I’d feel about personally having an abortion, especially for the reason of not wanting a special-needs child. I’m worried I’d feel guilty and unable to follow-through, like that reason is "too shallow" or selfish.

Can anyone relate? Does anyone have experience with considering an abortion? Any thoughts or advice?

TL;DR, We want kids but are scared of having a kid with disabilities, and I don’t know how to feel about abortion as an option.


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Pregnancy Anybody feel too superficial to have a baby?

27 Upvotes

I've struggled with my body image for a long time due to PMOS (acne, hirsutism, weight gain) and it takes so much effort to manage the symptoms. I'm on a GLP1, spironolactone, and birth control. I also do a lot of skin and hair treatments with a dermatologist.

I also spend a lot of time and energy working out, and taking care of myself so I feel comfortable in my body.

I'm so scared of pregnancy, childbirth, and how it might all impact me. The women in my family who had kids have stretch marks, larger bellies, and look a lot older than the women who did not have kids.

I know it sucks and seems superficial, but we do live in a shallow and judgmental world.

Just curious if anybody else relates?


r/Fencesitter • • 16h ago

Shallow reasons for being on the fence

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I already know this is shallow and don’t need a lecture on it. Im not sure yet on if I want to have kids. My absolute cons is I don’t want to get pregnant, give birth the whole shabang. I also don’t want a new born and I’d like for them to be potty trained already. I hate the idea of the monotony of raising children and would like to be more spontaneous. I don’t want to be a working mom suburbanite with a husband who loathes coming back home. I also don’t want a special needs child or atleast a child who’s so mentally incapacitated we’d have to take care of them until we die. I feel like I’d love to maybe adopt a 4-5year old but I also feel horrible thinking that because it feels like I’m dehumanizing them and sort of “shopping” which is highly unethical. I do also worry about an adopted child always longing for their “real” parents and that would eat me alive. I have experience w infants to 10 year olds because I worked in a daycare and as a camp counselor as well as babysitting so I’ve been around all age groups.

Anyway I say all this to say can anyone relate or offer words of wisdom?


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

I WANT to want kids sooo badly! I am on the fence and wish i wasn’t. Anyone else?

122 Upvotes

I have wanted to want kids for years. I’m getting up there in age and need to start soon if we decide to try again.

My life would be so much easier if I just genuinely wanted them. My spouse would be happier, family happier, pregnancy would be easier, my anxiety over going back and forth would end.

I’ve tried EVERYTHING. I intentionally clogged up my social media algorithms with cute kid videos and (don’t judge me here I know it’s bad but) mon influencers who were more chill, realistic, and envy-worthy than the stereotypical ones. Hiking families, camping families, artsy families, families that volunteer.

When that didn’t work I tried the opposite, thinking maybe watching realistic kid videos and even childfree videos would make me want kids more, like maybe seeing the bad and seeing “it’s not that bad” would help.

I have a few friends and aquantances with young kids that I see every once in a while and they’re.. fine. Cute. Nothing overwhelmingly screams “I WANT THIS” when I’m with them though.

All I see is this big massive ocean of agonizing constant responsibility, health risks, anxiety over every cold and scraped knee. I don’t just see lack of free time (which I deeply value) but the unceasing, years long, every hour of every day lack of free time. I am level one autistic (doesn’t usually impact my day to day and most people wouldn’t know) but I see the sensory issues, the deep-end level of fear, the chance that I could love my child but not like them at different stages of development. I feel things deeply in the moment and all of these risks are just heightened for me.

But all of that would be manageable anyway if I just wanted them.

I feel sooo lost and alien when I see constant posts of women that desperately want kids, are trying to conceive and can’t, etc. It feels like a foreign concept to me and I don’t get it and I want to. How can I unlock whatever door is blocking my brain from actually wanting kids??


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Reflections Mourning the other choice

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For the past year I've really been sitting with my decision to have children or not and over the past few weeks it's becoming apparent to me that not having children is the right choice for me and my partner. I feel like I should feel relief to have this clarity but instead all I feel is grief. I want to experience pregnancy. I want to experience the romantic aspect of having a child, like seeing myself and my partner and our other loved ones reflected in them and watching them become their own person. I want to have common ground with the mothers in my life. But these are not reasons enough to have a child, and there's so much about raising a child that I don't want to deal with.

To be honest, I wish my life was different so the "reasons to not have child list" was shorter, and the circumstances of my life that make that list so long are not in my control. I'm feeling sad and frustrated and I'm wondering if anyone else can relate.


r/Fencesitter • • 17h ago

Questions Interested in your experience

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Are there any women out there that changed their mind about wanting to have children after getting of birth controll ? I have been on birth control since I was 16 years old (27 now), so I’m curious to see if it had any impact on someone)


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Another "day in my (34f) life with a 4 month old" post

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After seeing a few “a day in my life” posts, I thought I’d share mine! I was on the fence due to my own relation with my mum and not I am on the fence for the 2nd one lol

My husband and I are both 34 and living in EU. My son is 4 months old and I have 8 months of maternity leave

  • 7:00-7:15am: I wake up, get my coffee and feed our dog
  • 7:45am: my husband wakes up and we chat for a bit
  • 8:15am: baby wakes up. Diaper or feed first, depending on his mood
  • 8:15-10:00am: playtime
  • 10:00-11:15am: First nap. I take the dog out and get ready if I haven’t already
  • 11:15am: Wakes up, feed, and a diaper change if needed
  • 11:15am-12:45pm: Awake time. My husband works from home, so one of us makes lunch and we eat or during the next nap. He plays with the baby for a bit
  • 12:45-1:45pm: Nap. Lunch with my husband and a little chill time
  • 2:00pm: Wakes up and feed
  • 2:00-3:45pm: Playtime, usually with a walk outside
  • 3:45-5:00pm: Nap, which I use as downtime (writing this for instance)
  • 5:00-7:00pm: Feed, bath and playtime with dad
  • 7:00pm: Bedtime
  • 10:00pm: I go to bed
  • 11:00pm: My husband gives a dream feed before heading to bed, and our son sleeps through until morning (rare exceptions like diaper leaks)

My husband takes the dog out for the afternoon and night walk

Reality check:

First, I’m blessed with a good sleeper!!! I was absolutely sleep deprived for the first 8 weeks and now I can really say sleep is the foundation of everything else

It takes a village!! We have help two days a week (grandparents once a week, plus a nanny once or twice depending on the grandparents’ availability) and a cleaner twice a week. On those days I go to the gym, see friends, run errands and handle admin...

My husband works from home, so we get quality time together throughout the day instead of having to catch up every evening

The newborn trenches as a FTM hit me HARD. We brought in help around month 2-3, once our son started sleeping through the night and I’d slept enough to finally realize what I needed: less anxiety and real breaks.

EVEN with help, some days are hard, but it’s WAYYYY easier to get through a hard day (and reflect on it) when you have breaks

Last note

I know I’m very lucky to be able to pay for help and to have family around ready to help. During this leave I’ve been absorbing a lot of Michelle Obama’s content (I am a fan lol) and she often talks about how her parents had very little but lived on a street full of extended family, so help was always around. With the rise of the nuclear family, firmer boundaries, families moving away from each other and less trust in our neighbors, I think we’ve lost that: the community aspect

I grew up with immigrant parents and a mum who had a difficult personality, a cultural gap and absolutely no help. I don’t justify many of her actions and choices (she subjected us to emotional parentification), but now that I have my son, I can finally explain the why and I think it's so sad that maybe just maybe I would have had the best mum ever if she had a village (she's a great grand mother...)

Anyway hope it helps!


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

How am I as a man supposed to feel about wanting kids

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How do I, as a man feel about wanting kids. Wanting kids feels asymmetric.

I have always been drawn to kids due to their innocence and being able to give unconditional love to them.

But I recently broke up with a partner who said she didn’t like it when men say they want kids. And this has got me questioning my desire to want kids.

Is it even valid to want kids when it is going to put a woman through pregnancy, the motherhood penalty and Post Partum depression. And no matter how equal the partnership is, the man still won’t carry the load of pregnancy.

I’m thinking my desire to want a child is just unfair and not valid. But I don’t know how to convince myself out of the mindset of wanting kids


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Reflections How can you even decide this?

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I (32m) recently had the “kids talk” with my partner (28f), whom I've been with for 7 years. It was about time, since I think we'd been avoiding the topic. But I've known for a while how she feels about having kids (she wants them), and she knew where I stood on it (on the fence, leaning toward no). The problem is, though, that I don't really have strong feelings about having kids. I just don't feel anything about it. I know people who've known since they were 13 that they never want to have kids, and I know people who are absolutely certain they want to have them. I love my girlfriend very much, and right now, unfortunately, it feels like everything is falling apart. It's the healthiest relationship I've ever had. We communicate well and can argue constructively with each other. She's not only my partner, but also my best friend, someone who knows and understands me better than anyone else.

However, it now appears that we are facing an irresolvable conflict. I have a feeling that no matter what I decide, I'll end up regretting it. I think my girlfriend would make an excellent mother. I also believe that we would be good parents. Parents who support each other well, who have each other's backs, and who also make it possible for the other person to have a life in which they are not just a mother or a father. I think if there's one person with whom I could overcome the challenges of parenthood, it's my partner. When I see other parents interacting with their kids, it can be really cool, and I often imagine what it would be like if the two of us had a child. I think it can be very fulfilling to teach a child things and watch them grow, and that's also something I think I'd find appealing. We both make pretty good money and live in an LCOL area. However, both of these things could change in the coming years.

I can see how my girlfriend is thriving with her family and with the children. Her aunts and uncles all have children, and she loves spending time with them. I think that's why her desire to have children has grown stronger. But for me, family is one thing above all else: exhausting. After spending time with her family and her kids, I'm totally exhausted. To me, it's a living hell and I only tag along because I love my partner and know how much it means to her. It's also worth noting that some of the kids are really difficult, and the fathers are deadbeats that can't even do the absolute minimum. I myself don't have a positive relationship with my family. My mother has a mental illness, and my father, as a single dad, was often overwhelmed or unable to fulfill his responsibilities. Her family and mine also live a few hours away from us. So other than each other, we wouldn't have any support, no “village" that could help us. It doesn't help that my dad, my mom, and even my grandma have always advised me against having kids...

My biggest fear is that I won’t have any time for myself anymore and that I’ll have to give up my freedom, flexibility and hobbies. Those are some of the most important things in my life, along with my girlfriend. That I’ll be trapped with a demanding and crying child who robs me of my sleep. That I’ll harbor resentment toward my partner and come to regret this decision. Unfortunately, you can’t just get rid of a child. On the other hand, I'm afraid that I'm giving up a very good relationship, a very loving and wonderful partner (some people also call her an “old soul”), for the illusion of freedom. My girlfriend told me that she gets the impression I'm always searching for something higher. And she's not wrong about that. My biggest fear is that at 50, I'll still be on this quest and, along the way, will have missed or thrown away every chance at a fulfilling relationship and a good partnership. I'm afraid of living the life of an “aesthete", someone who doesn't really choose himself, but lets the moment, the mood, or chance dictate his life. I'm afraid that I'll just live for the moment and won't form any lasting, responsible commitments, and that my life will remain emotionally empty and disconnected. I'm afraid that by the time I'm 50, I'll feel a deep sense of boredom, emptiness, and despair.

It already feels as if something is dying, and memories of our life together are flashing before my eyes.The thought that my partner, my best friend, the person I wanted to grow old with, will soon no longer be by my side just fucking breaks me. But I don't know if I'm ready to make the sacrifices that come with having children.


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Fell off the fence semi-accidentally

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My husband and I have been working with the “if it happens it happens” mentality since June so not planned out with all the details/plans but also knew it could happen at anytime. I’m 35 and he’s 38.

After living with anxiety and a bloat like feeling for the past two weeks, I found out I was pregnant this past sunday.

It’s been a mixture of joy and fear. Joy because we’ve wanted to start a family. Fear because of the logistics of raising a kid.

Are these thoughts normal? How have y’all handled going through the constant toss between fear and joy at the beginning?


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Questions Those of you who have had kids after having a rough life, do you think it was worth it?

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I have seen a lot of posts about how parents who have been fencesitters end up loving being parents. They usually preface this by listing off amazing things they have done, such as skydiving, traveling the world, going out to restaurants all the time, etc. and then say that nothing can compare to being a parent.

My question is, what if you’re a parent who hasn’t had these experiences, and who has struggled through life? What if you had grew up in poverty or a religious household and had to fight your way out for freedom? What if you didn’t get a chance to travel the world, even if you wanted to? Do you still feel like having a child was worth it?

I love kids and I’m a teacher. But at the same time, it feels like I’ve had to claw my way to having a life free of abuse or trauma. I’m not sure if I want to enter parenthood, knowing that it may make many of my dreams impossible. That’s why I’d love to hear from parents who are starting from a different place than someone who has already experienced any dream they could want.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Anxiety Struggling with feeling like fear is dominating my decision either way

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Hello everyone! Relatively new to the fence after being quite staunchly CF since adolescence.I am feeling deeply unsettled with my doubts and new found position on the fence and would appreciate some perspectives.

I 31F was always the person who said I would never have kids and often got told I'd eventually change my mind. I've been married for 2 years to my husband 30M who is an incredible partner and human. I would say the only reason I have moved from being CF to the fence is because of him, he would make an amazing father and I know we have a really solid partnership where I don't worry about division of labour or being the primary parent all the time.

That's pretty much the only thing I don't worry about and then comes the long list of fears and doubts. I have always been a generally anxious person but have worked hard over the last several years to be able to manage it well most of the time. However, the fear and anxiety surrounding pregnancy, labour, PP, and general child rearing feels insurmountable. The thought of pregnancy and labour fills me with such deep discomfort to the point that we use both birth control and condoms otherwise I would be a constant mess waiting for my period every month. I worry about having biological children when my family history is riddled with autoimmune diseases and addiction, my husbands side is also rife with hereditary autoimmune disease and heart issues. I then also struggle with the ethics surrounding bringing life into a world dominated by late stage capitalism, looming climate change & food scarcity, and generally a world where the future outlook is looking quite grim. I come from a large blended family but I am not emotionally close with any of them and my parents are self proclaimed hands off grandparents that do not help babysit my niblings at all. Most of my in-laws are not local and the ones that are, I would never feel comfortable leaving a child with. All these things combined to lead me to not wanting kids along with the fact that I've never felt called to motherhood and generally don't even like being around kids (niblings or otherwise). I have been told that we would make good parents because of how deeply we have thought about the responsibility, which I agree to be true but I am also easily overwhelmed and don't necessarily want the intense hardship and more worry that comes along with being parent. We have been caring for our senior cat with increasingly complex health needs the last few years and the worry and anxiety that comes with that can be so consuming sometimes I don't want to imagine how amplified it would be with a child.

On the other hand, I am also experiencing deep fear of loss of family bonds later in life without having child(ren). Once my parents are gone I worry about little things that feel big like who will I have to celebrate holidays with? I have always said I would rather regret not having kids than regret having them but then I am afraid that what if I wouldn't actually regret having them? I don't want to pass up an opportunity and look back knowing it was purely driven by fear and that I should've just jumped.

My husband leans more to wanting children but has assured me countless times pre and post marriage that our unit is also more than enough family for him and a child would be an added bonus more than anything. It took me a long time to believe and accept this stance from him and I finally have but it still worry about being the one depriving him of the chance to be a father, especially if I also end up looking back with regret.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Reflections The anti marriage subs make me lean yes to having a child

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I’ll start to preface by saying, I’ve been married 5 years (together 11) and can easily say marriage is the best decision I’ve ever made. I love my husband more than anything in the world and value our relationship so much. Sure it’s not perfect and there are some things (although very minor) that could maybe be better if I were single. Like less cleaning lol, not having to worry about a large man eating all the leftovers, etc. very trivial. My life is overwhelmingly better with him in it.

Something interesting I’ve noticed — one time I looked at an anti-marriage subreddit just for fun. And I was shocked at people’s view on marriage and how negative of a picture people have who’ve never been married or struggle with relationships. I don’t look down on them, I just think man, they’re missing out. To me being in a relationship is 99% good and the good by far outweighs the bad. And that got me thinking, this must be how parents feel. Like us who are on the fence can’t imagine how good it is simply because we haven’t experienced it. And it’s most likely not horrible at all - from what most parents make it seem. Just an observation/comparison I had that makes me think having a kid is maybe less scary than I think.

Edit to add: I already commented this as well, but I completely agree when people say you can’t compare the two, or that marriage is reversible and kid aren’t. Completely agree! This is just a thought I had that makes me remember all the negative posts I see about wanting to becoming a parent aren’t usually the typical parent’s reality.


r/Fencesitter • • 1d ago

Reflections Strong sex preference holding me back

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I (married, mid 30s F) have had BDD my whole adult life after being called ugly by peers as a kid. Life has been better after I got some work done, and I’m in active therapy. However, I still suffer a lot from hating how I look. I’ve always thought it would be unethical for me to have kids, because they would risk being a girl and inheriting the unfeminine traits which have made me unhappy. It would also be hard for me to set a good example of self love about my appearance for her.

I realized it’s possible for us to travel for sex selective IVF, in which case maybe I could have a son. The men in our families are handsome and happy. I think a son with my genetics would have a high likelihood of a very happy life. The money is not a concern, rather the uncertainty and stress of the IVF process. My husband is fully supportive of any path I want to take and would be an amazing father.

Have any of you hesitated on having kids for similar reasons, or similarly considered sex selective IVF? What did you wind up doing, and how do you feel about the choice?

I wonder if it’s unethical for me to consider having kids at all of any sex, given my mental health challenges.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Anyone have kids and regret it?

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If you were once on the fence, had children, and now regret it, why do you regret it? Is there anything you would go back and tell your past self about having kids?

No judgement at all!!!!
It’s so hard to know. I literally think about it everyday- it consumes me. The thought of having a child and passing down mine and my husbands ailments, having a severely special needs child, having no alone time, no clean house, no free time, doing homework, etc. It all sounds like a lot and the potentials are so scary


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Anyone else on the fence about kids because they just don't want the stress?

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I've been reflecting on why I'm so ambivalent about having children, and I think a huge part of it comes down to the fact that I genuinely just don't want to be stressed.

I'm 30, and while I can see the appeal of having children and building a family, I also really enjoy my freedom, independence, and relatively low-stress lifestyle. I don't particularly want to spend my thirties obsessing over whether I'll have kids, worrying about my biological clock, or feeling pressured to make major life decisions based on a hypothetical future.

I see so many women stressing about finding the right partner, getting married by a certain age, and having children before it's "too late." Sometimes I even see women compromising their standards in relationships because they're afraid of running out of time. I understand why these pressures exist, but I really don't want to live my life that way.

A part of me just wants to live my life, enjoy my relationships, pursue my interests, travel, and let the universe figure things out. If having children eventually feels right, great. If it doesn't happen, I think I could still have a fulfilling life.

I also recognize that having children requires intentional decisions, and that biology doesn't necessarily accommodate a "go with the flow" mentality forever. But I really dislike the idea of turning something as personal as parenthood into another stressful milestone I need to achieve.

Sometimes I wonder whether I'm actually childfree-leaning or whether I'm simply someone who values peace, flexibility, and autonomy more than the idea of becoming a parent.

Does anyone else feel this way? Like you're not necessarily opposed to having children, but you also don't want to organize your entire life around making it happen? I'm especially curious if anyone has taken a more relaxed approach to the decision and how that worked out for them.


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

Questions Anyone here decide to have baby after years of being a no?

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What led to your change? How are you doing with it since having a baby? Also if comfortable, please add your age.


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

27yo man indecisiveness

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Some days I wake up and think I want to have kids with my partner. Some days I wake up and have no interest in it. She’d be a great mother & its been her dream to have kids. It has nothing to do with her but I’m so conflicted. I feel like it’s financially impossible even tho we both have good jobs. I also feel like I’ll be letting my parents down if I don’t have kids. I know she’ll leave me if I tell her I don’t want kids but I don’t want to lose her.

What if I regret not having kids in 10 years? She doesn’t want kids right now but she does by 30/31 (she is also 27). Will I be alone for the rest of my life? I feel like having children is the biggest decision of all time and I can’t make a decision. Helppp


r/Fencesitter • • 3d ago

A day in the life of a 28yo mom and 33yo dad of a 1 and 2 year old (type B parents)

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7:30am- 1 year old wakes up, mom wakes up with her, changes her diaper… usually gives her a cup of milk and or a fruit pouch immediately. She usually plays on the floor in our room with a book or toy… while I lay back in bed with my husband and 2 year old (2 year old sleeps with us) if she’s too fussy I put on ms Rachel and lay back in bed with husband and sleeping 2 year old

8:00am- 2 year old wakes up… and asks for milk immediately. (Me and my husband both say EVERY morning… you need to say good morning first lmao)

8:30am- me and my husband finally get out of bed (1 and 2 year old usually are riding their bikes around our kitchen island and fighting over toys by this time)

8:30-9:30- mom gets 1 year old dressed. Dad gets 2 year old dressed. Lots of running away and fighting but we get it done. I usually make instant oatmeal or eggs and feed it to them while they’re running around, “here get a bite”

9:30-12:00pm- put both kids in car seats. Drive to the gym (sometimes an easy quiet ride, other times 1 year old cries and whines) 50/50 chance. We get to the gym and drop both of them off at the gym daycare for 2 hours. They usually do well. Unless my 2 year old has to pee… I have to go in and help him (they can’t help him do that) that causes him and 1 year old to usually cry) that’s very annoying but lately we’ve been having more days where I’m not needed in the kids club the whole 2 hours! The kids club closes at 12

12:30- we stop at aldis to get salmon. Go home and cook lunch. Both kiddos usually fall to sleep in the car… and it’s like playing Russian roulette whether we can transfer them inside the house and they stay sleeping. It almost always works for my 2 year old. My 1 year old will wake up and take about 10 min to be put back to sleep. (Her dad does that while I cook)

12:30-2:00pm- both kids sleeping. Mom cooking, dad working on computer/ taking calls.. mom and dad enjoy lunch together.

2:00pm- both kids wake up HUNGRY. They usually eat rice and smashed salmon or banana with peanut butter, more fruit pouches, cut up grapes and or strawberries (simple meals)

2:00pm-5:00pm- ANNOYING CHAOS. Kids fighting, running around, mom take them on a walk, when the walk is over back to fighting, they go outside on the playground we have in the back yard, both putting rocks in their mouths lol, maybe tv for 30 minutes, mom feels guilty, turns it off, read a book, toddlers back to fighting

5:00pm- whewwwww getting closer to bedtime. Dad’s usually available now. Family walk outside, maybe basketball with the neighbors, FaceTime calls with family members, mom goes inside straightens up the house, puts out bed clothes etc. feeding them bananas and peanut butter, rice and beans, more eggs, bread.. like they just eat random stuff ( I promise you they are both healthy weights) and they usually have 2-3 cups of milk per day) no more than 20oz

6:30pm- bath time for both kids, sometimes mom bathes them.. other times they both get in the shower with dad and mom helps on the sideline LMAO

7:30pm- 1 year old in her own room KNOCKED UNTIL 7:30am (thank God)

2 year old watches football or a podcast with mom and dad until 9pm

9pm- Mom has to go lay in (her own bed) for about 15 min to put 2 year old to sleep (I read this out to my husband and he says that’s not true, I put him to sleep) haha lol yesss most of the time he does go into our room and put 2 year old to sleep. Takes about 15 minutes. And then we both meet in the living room.

9:30pm-12am mom and dad talking, run to get Popeyes, talk on the phone with a friend (maybe) give a massage, have sexy time (maybe 3 times out the week) and then knock out scrolling on our phones

7:30am- start over


r/Fencesitter • • 2d ago

Is anyone else ambivalent about having children? How do you approach dating with this outlook

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For context, I’m 21F and feel very conflicted about being a mother someday. I know I still have time to think about it, but I’m not sure how to approach dating. A guy a was with recently, did express wanting a family someday. We ended up breaking up, but for different reasons- I just can’t help but feel as if I deceived him in a way.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely adore children. I think I could be a great mother. children make me happy and I tend to be pretty good with them. The problem is, I was raised with a large family, and was often parentified at a young age- and I also managed a lot of my own parents emotions, and was taking on responsibility for a lot that I shouldn’t have.
I think a lot of my ambivalence comes from my relationship with men, as well. I’ve been hurt by a lot of men in my life, men who were supposed to protect me, men who raised me. I realize I definitely have some trust issues due to this. Like how am I supposed to trust a man I’m with romantically, and to raise children with, if I cant even trust my own family members?

I just don’t want motherhood to become who I am, you know? Not that there’s anything wrong with that life. Not at all. I’m just scared to end up with a partner who barely holds up their end of the bargain. Who you have to remind to put their dirty clothes in the hamper. Who thinks that watching their children is “babysitting”. yuck. Or worse, you end up with someone who has been lying the entire time, or someone who may end up traumatizing their children, as my father did to me.
TLDR: I’m conflicted about becoming a mother due to trauma, being parentified as child, and I’m unsure how to approach this