r/DelphiDocs • u/Careful_Cow_2139 šŸ”°Moderator • 3d ago

ā“QUESTION Any Questions Thread

Go ahead, let's keep them snappy though, no long discussions please.

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u/Appealsandoranges 1d ago

This is not a question but it continues an answer to a question asked previously, which is how long should we expect to wait for a decision from the COA? I decided to look and see how long it had taken the COA to decide argued cases because these tend to be more complicated cases.

As of today, the COA has issued an opinion in every argued case since the beginning of 2026 (41 total*), except Rickā€™s case and a case argued five days ago. This includes a case argued three days before his case and a case argued nine days after his case.

The average time between argument and an opinion issuing is 33 days. The median time is 27 days. Rickā€™s case was argued 35 days ago. The maximum time was 85 days.

Rickā€™s case is certainly an outlier given the complexity and the number of issues before the COA. I think it is likely his case will exceed that 85 day mark (which would be December 15th), but given this speedy track record on the most complex cases coming before the intermediate appellate court, I now think it isnā€™t impossible that weā€™d see a decision before the end of the year and itā€™s likely it will come in very early 2027.

* I excluded one case from this count because it was very unusual in that the COA issued a bunch of orders very quickly after argument, but not the actual opinion for some time.

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u/Current_Apartment988 1d ago

How many of them have been denied? Maybe denials are quicker to processā€¦ this case is sooo complex

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u/Appealsandoranges 1d ago

I did not track that but the 85 day decision was a complete affirmance in a single issue criminal case, was not a split decision (no dissent) and was only 19 pages long. No idea why it took that long.

Others that took longer (76, 67, and 66) were a partial reversal in a complex insurance dispute, a contract dispute that was a reversal with a dissent, and an affirmance in an insurance dispute where one judge wrote separately to concur in the result only.

Split decisions always take longer because there are multiple authors involved. A unanimous reversal can be simple.

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u/RequirementLatter795 1d ago

Even though the case was argued in September, it was filed months before that. It's my understanding (from Reddit law school) that a majority of the information used in the decision would come from the written filings, not the oral arguments, so perhaps it won't be so long?

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u/Appealsandoranges 1d ago

This is accurate but all argued cases are filed months before they are argued, so the same logic applies equally. I think January 2027 seems likely (though Iā€™ll hold out hope for December!)

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u/Efficient-Donkey-167 1d ago

Thank you for taking the time to find that information. It feels so much longer than 35 days so I cant imagine how Rick and Kathy feel as each day passes!

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u/TrueCrimeSP_2020 3h ago

What appeals have been denied, and what appeals are pending?

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u/Puzzleheaded-Dot8991 15h ago

This is just a response to someone about Libby saying ā€œ I said NOā€ to BG. I heard it years ago. I recently heard it on Fig Solves in the last couple of weeks. Fig Solves heading for the comment was ā€œDelphi murders: Shooting down Richard Allen defense.ā€ It starts about 6:40. This most likely happened shortly after BG said, ā€œ guys, down the hill ā€œ.

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u/iamtorsoul 15h ago

I've watched the video extracted directly from the phone, and didn't hear this. Plus, if it's coming from FigSolves I'd be highly dubious.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Dot8991 14h ago

I agree about Fig but I hear Libby plain as day. But I heard this many years ago way before Fig.

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u/iamtorsoul 14h ago

It would really help if you simply post the actual clip of this audio so we can hear it. Especially if it's clear as day and I'm simply missing it.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Dot8991 13h ago

Iā€™m 79 and donā€™t know how to do that. At 6:40 you hear his last Guys and immediately a loud shout out, ā€œ I said No! Like she yelled it loudly at BG.