The Writing never needed to be good - It just needed to be BADASS.

[u/Ill-Board9116]

People who are annoyed at the constant, but rightful, criticisms of wow's narrative and EVERYTHING in the story - always say "well, warcraft was never nuanced really.. well warcraft wasn't ever that complex."

I would say, yes you have a point. But the biggest point that's missing - is that it's not ever HEROIC or COOL anymore.

It's never a story focused of OVERCOMING ODDS and displaying GREAT DEEDS and it's never presented as HOLY SHIT, BAD ASS SACRIFICE. SLASH HEADS OFF OF THIS GUY. KILL ENEMY TO SAVE FRIEND IN THE SHOT.

These themes are always the backdrop piece for melodrama that's shown. IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The melodrama is backdrop, and the action is the main dish. the setup, the payoff, and the consequences of the action.

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You would say, well story X CLEARLY shows Y point!

The thing is PRESENTATION. Everything is always shown as a soap oprea talking scene. Look at all the Warlords of Draenor Cienamtic and most of them are always

Action scene - Pivotal Moment - Climatic Ending. It's big, it's awesome, and it shows our character developed, not TELLING us how they feel and think.

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It's always the issue of SHOW not TELL. My god why do we even need to discuss this?

SHOW. SHOW. SHOW. You are in a fucking videogame with VISUALS. STOP MAKING CHARACTERS TELL EACH OTHER HOW THEY FEEL.

SHOW IT IN ACTION.

A-C-T-I-O-N.

When A character has a development growth moment, show the fucking character do something cool and get a new look/trait.

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Illidan sacrifices his idenity for demonic powers to kill Tichondrias? Whoa, visual change, whoa, he DOES something, he KILLS Tichondrias, and he is BANISHED.

If it were in modern era it'd go

Illidan tells Malfurion his emotions and turmoil to Tyrande. He tries to absorb the Skull, but the power rejects him! Illidan, Malfurion and TRyrande work together to stop Tchondrias. Tichondrias smugly laughs and flies away.

OH MY GOD.

Just let characters take action that doesn't need to span over 8 weeks. MAKE THE FUCKIGN CHARACTER DO SHIT. AND MAKE IT COOL. MAKE IT EVENTFUL. AND HAVE IT PROGRESS THE STORYLINE.

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People just want to see our heroes being heroes and do cool shit. With some grit. With some ACTION.

A-C-T-I-O-N. HOW IS THIS SOMEHOW A DEBATE? HOOWWWWW!?

MAKE THE MARY SUES DO COOL SHIT, MAKE THEM LOSE A EYE OR LEG. THEN MAKE THEM GAIN A NEW TRAIT AND MAKE THEM SAY COOL SHIT. MAKE THEM FACE CONSEQUENCES.

AND DO IT WITHIN, i dont know, 3 hours? It's not insane. LET US SEE GROWTH. LET US SEE ACTION. LET US SEE IT. NOT HEAR IT. FUCK ME.

[u/kellarorg_]

Because:

1. Things evolve and change. I'm okay with more complex emotional stuff. I'm not okay with retcons and inconsistency.

2. Corporate writing. That's all.

[u/Ill-Board9116 → u/kellarorg_]

You know when you dont clean your home, it "evolves and change" is it for the better? No.

Complex Emotional stuff? Like what? Insecure brother and mary sue sister? Wow, VERY complex.

Thousands of years of war solved in girl's hangout weekend? So COMPLEX. WOWWW.

A villain who has ZERO motivations other than "i felt unsafe as a cosmic entity who can teleport anywhere and be anywhere i want." and must now devour the world and become a Supereme Deity.

That's your "more complex emotional stufff" ? You lost me at ALL of that bullshit.

[u/kellarorg_ → u/Ill-Board9116]

Oh, that's not complex. That's corporate writing. I agree that it is, in fact, bad. I object only on the thing that other commenter already stated, that if we will just show Illidan eating scull without any emotionall staff, we'll have just a scene of a purple man eating scull :)

[u/pacomadreja → u/Ill-Board9116]

How is Zuljarra a Mary Sue? She is constantly presented as an incompetent leader incapable of keeping her  brother under control, creating constant dangers. If it weren't for the player character the Amani would be probably dead because of themselves