r/atheism • u/TitanicMan Other • Jun 26 '12
Good Point.
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u/Gzus666 Jun 26 '12
Pretty sure atheism doesn't make everyone immortal, just sayin'.
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u/IwillBringYoutoNauht Jun 27 '12
I'm not a Muslim, but from what I know of the history and teachings of Islam this seems false. Muslims view Christians as "People of the book" as well, and there are actually many teachings I've come across in Islam wherein it is incumbent on muslims to forge a unity and brotherhood together with Christians, and that Muslims ought to treat them with dignity, respect and honor as fellow "people of the Book."
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u/unknown_poo Jun 27 '12
Interestingly enough, as Muslims encountered other religions beyond the Arabian peninsula, and after examining their works and philosophical and religious figures, determined many of them to also be People of the Book. Included among this are Hindus, Taoists, Buddhists, and Zoroastrians. Not all Muslim scholars are unanimous on this, but among those who were actually learned in other religions there appears to be a good amount of inclusion.
And then going further, from what I have studied, many Muslim scholars do not hold hell to be permanent, and that eventually any person with even at atoms weight of good in their heart will be released. And since it is believed in Islam that humans are intrinsically good, all humans are eventually destined for heaven.
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Jun 27 '12
Quran 2:62 Verily, those who have attained to faith , as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds – shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.
At least make an attempt to know what you're talking about.
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Jun 26 '12
Actually, according to most interpretations of the Quran, christians will go to heaven.
Quran 2:62 Verily, those who have attained to faith , as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians – all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds – shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve.
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u/diplomax Jun 27 '12
The assumption that Christians will go to hell if you believed in Islam. Is categorically false.
All People of the Book, can go to heaven.
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Jun 27 '12
Logicfail . . . your belief has no effect on which religion is "correct". None of them are, of course, but that's not the point.
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u/Lowbacca1977 Jun 27 '12
Reality isn't a democracy. Even more than that, reality isn't based on what you personally believe.
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u/jmarFTL Jun 27 '12
So what? Choosing what to believe based on what sounds the best is what caused all this in the first place.
I could believe that brushing my teeth is the path to eternal life. Doesn't make it true.
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u/sopernova23 Jun 27 '12
Your believing in the 'perishing' has nothing to do with whether or not it will happen.
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u/CntDutchThis Jun 27 '12
Actually most muslims believe that as you as one believes in the judaic god u go to heaven, no matter if christian/jewish
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u/Damadawf Jun 27 '12
See, it's shit like this.
Before I turned to the darkside and became a stone-cold atheist, I used to be a deist. I believed in a non-personal God. Before that, I was a Catholic, and despite being raised Catholic, I was told again and again that one's entrance to heaven is not based solely on their beliefs, but on the merit of whether they lived a good life/helping people, etc.
I guess the point I'm making is, the quote should have the words "crazy extremist fundamentalist" inserted prior to each of the religions mentioned, because not all of those 2.2 billion Christians or 1.5 billion Muslims believe that everyone else is going to Hell. Only the really crazy ones believe that.
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u/thrakhath Jun 27 '12
In addition to everyone else's corrections, this is also an Argument from Adverse Consequences. Just so you know.
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Jun 27 '12
I usually tell the wackos that while I don't believe in God, if he exists, I have faith that he's not as insane as they think.
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u/Crownowa Jun 27 '12
If you are Christian and believe all non-Christians will go to hell, its not only the Muslims going to hell.
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u/gbsolo12 Jun 27 '12
Whatever you believe in will not have anything to do with who goes where in the afterlife.
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u/neotropic9 Jun 27 '12
Actually, it may surprise you to learn that what you believe has no effect on what is true.