Monogatari Series: Off & Monster Season - Episode 12 discussion

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Monogatari Series: Off & Monster Season, episode 12

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[u/IXajll]

That slide of all the Monogatari KVs/BD covers was classic Monogatari lol.

Best news this episode was the confirmation that Araragi is still/again in contact with Sodachi, you just love to see it.

[u/tripleaamin → u/IXajll]

It's funny him asking Kanbaru & Sodachi to be his slaves is odd. In Monogatari fashion, the purpose of that is something else entirely. The fact that he is able to go ahead and call Sodachi about really emphasizes how much healthier their relationship is. Sodachi clearly considers Koyomi a friend undoubtedly IMO. Though she might be a tsun and deny it.

[u/MaksimShadow → u/IXajll]

Shaft got tired from years of arguing about right watch order, so they showed the correct one.

[u/michhoffman]

I don't know what I expected, but that 1 minute straight of Shinobu and Suicide Master laughing back and forth at each other didn't surprise me at all. I'm super interested to see how things turn out from here with them.

[u/Frontier246 → u/michhoffman]

I kind of thought it was interesting that Suicide Master looked like her haughty self while laughing but Shinobu looked a little more reserved/awkward while doing it in comparison even if she laughed just as hard.

[u/NQSA2006]

Maid Sodachi for 2 second!? Hell yeah!

[u/Mr_Zaroc → u/NQSA2006]

Love that he casually rings her up and goes "Can you be my servant for tonight and cook me dinner?"

Ever the Optimist

[u/MaksimShadow]

It was interesting to see how Araragi and Karen were behaving like proper siblings. Araragi really matured, I guess.

[u/Quiddity131 → u/MaksimShadow]

There wasn't a toothbrush in the room.

[u/absolutelynotaname]

Saying "Both of us have aged" while they have both become loli is quite irony

[u/actuallyrndthoughts]

「どうやらまた死んでしまったらしい」instant chills. The whole exchange was perfect.

Arc is feeling more like Zaregoto rather than monogatari, for the most part, until the previous season inspired music choices come back. But then there's this eerie choir piece that feels like it's 2008's Spine and Wolf. The whole mood is very interesting. Also the hospital room turning from underwater glass facility into a giant monitor room is so Shaft, i can't.

[u/The_frost__]

I didn’t know vampires greeted each other by laughing like maniacs.

Also lmao at Kanbaru accepting Araragi request of being his slave for the night.

[u/Planatus666 → u/The_frost__]

Also lmao at Kanbaru accepting Araragi request of being his slave for the night.

I expected nothing less from Kanbaru. :)

[u/BosuW]

Interesting how the first Arc of this season started with establishing that the Phoenix can't change due to her immortal nature and now Araragi asked Shinobu if she has changed in such a relatively short time as, like, 1.5 years. The answer could have massive implications.

[u/alxanta]

madlad call Oikura just to mess with her isn't he?

Also the final part where both DSV and Shinobu laugh I literally on full alert thinking hell is going to set loose (the music is very tense), thankfully it seems its a wholesome reunion? Still need to wait next week though

Also I wonder if Kagenui is really going to appear here since afaik she have the least screen time among all specialist. IIRC she only appears on Nisemonogatari and half of Koyomimonogatari to take care of the Kitashirahebi Shrine

[u/tensaleader]

I find the relief Gaen expressed when realising Araragi was speaking about Karen rather than Tsukihi hilarious, because it seems even she fears the chaos that follows the other sister.

[u/tripleaamin]

The conversation between Koyomi & Shinobu is actually really interesting. Suicide-Master started out as a true vampire unlike both her and Koyomi. For her to be considered harmless would be implying that vampires are harmless, which is an absurd notion. Also, her request to being the master this time was her way of not seeming weak in front of Suicide-Master. Whether it's a big deal or not in Suicide-Master's eyes is another discussion for another time. It just shows how much Koyomi cares for Shinobu where the master slave pretense doesn't mean much. He values Shinobu as his trusted partner and friend.

Interesting trick to see that the code is translated as conversions from Fahrenheit to Celsius. In which the initials of FC. What could the initials FC be. As soon as Koyomi said Fan Club, it was very logic that was it. After all all the girls found had hairstyles like Kanbaru. Given her popularity, it adds up. Are there internal issues now they have no leader? Is there a vampire in there? Unfortunately, Hachikuji mentions that everyone on the team is innocent. So they regressed from a potential lead.

Time is clicking because Kageuni has issues with what happened in the past with Suicide-Master. Very curious how that could be. Though it was smart for Koyomi to go ask Karen because like Kanbaru's Fan Club, last year the Araragi Sisters led the Fire Sisters and now that Karen has moved to high school, Karen left. One thing nice about the conversation with Karen is that she is much the same, but you can tell she is much busier. Her concern for Tsukihi is very much what Koyomi concern for his sisters since the start of the series. It is sweet to see Karen growing up. It seems the comparison of Fire Sisters to the Girls Basketball club is that Tsukihi is still involved. Much like how Higasa was able to step up after Kanbaru left the team, Tsukihi is in the same position.

It is nice to note that the girls' basketball team is having a discussion. Though we are getting the meeting between Koyomi, Shinobu, Suicide-Master & Izuko. Just seeming Suicide-Master & Shinobu reunite after 600 years is sweet in its own way. Also love the focus on how Koyomi is able to make friends as he has developed so much since the start of the series.

[u/Frontier246]

Vampires have their pride, none moreso than Suicide-Master as a pure vampire, and of course Shinobu's pride couldn't let her mentor see her as serving a boy...so Araragi will be her slave! Honestly that sounds like a lot of fun.

Never have to twist Kanbaru's arm to play Araragi's slave and give him free reign of her house! Not sure why he called Oikura for the same reason, but you sometimes you have to shoot your shots even if you miss. I guess it also shows how far their relationship has come that Araragi can just call her and mess with her, even if she threatens to kill him.

Meniko cracked this code quick! Though it doesn't really provide much in the way of answers even when they realize it's about temperature.

Is there something to the fact that all the girls had short hair, which even for a sports team is kind of odd? Is it related to Kanbaru's influence on the club? Were they fans of hers? Though I love how Gaen, an adult woman, is exhausted dealing with the dark pit that is high school girl drama.

Well, even if Suicide-Master is innocent or not, it might not make any difference to Kagenui since it's personal between them. Wonder what happened there?

No better excuse than asking about the former Kanbaru Tsuruga fanclub to give Karen screentime! And she's still as feisty and tough as ever, even with the Fire Sisters disbanded and Tsukihi going all Magical Girl. Also, way to destroy that punching bag, Karen.

So...none of the girls in the basketball club are vampires? Well, their suspect pool is dwindling fast.

I love how they're transporting Suicide-Master like she's an old school criminal complete with old school handcuffs.

Imagine that this is what would bring Gaen to the home her elder sister was rejected from so she can do an epic vampire resurrection with Japanese sake.

Has Shinobu's opinion of humans changed over her experience with Araragi? What is a changing, progressing, human life worth to an immortal being?

Look at Shinobu and Deathtopia cackling like madwoman at their reunion! They really are reuniting with their oldest and fondest friend! Shinobu also looks great in that red dress!

"We have aged" - While they both look like loli's!

[u/sKyBlazer08]

It seems I have died yet again.

Peak fucking cinema.

Holy shit, Araragi is talking to Oikura again. I really really want to see her Off Season arc now man, but we gotta wait.

Karen! It's been forever. Also is it just me or does she seem more mature, I mean yes she's a high-schooler now, but I think it's also to drive the point of Tsukihi not being able to change.

To continue on the previous sentence, Shinobu and Araragi's talk about Oddities not changing compared to humans, reminded me of Tsukuhi, maybe that's why Tsukihi is still doing Fire Sisters work?

Shinobu and Suicide-Master saying they both have aged while in their young forms is hilarious irony lmao. I thought it was cute that Shinobu doesn't want to show Suicide-Master that she's become servant, she wants to be dignified in front of her. I see this is how they greet each other, I honestly don't know what to say, my jaw just dropped from what I was witnessing lmao.

I love that they scrolled through all the key visuals from the previous seasons, classic Monogatari.

I really cannot guess what's happening with the Basketball Club girls, but I still stand by Kie Harimaze being the source, but knowing Monogatari, we got 2 episodes left, the payoff will be insane. This really made me nostalgic, 4 episodes of buildup now, we're really back.

[u/Mr_Zaroc]

Damn right before we get an answer from shinbo about her stance on humans we get interrupted by a minute long laughing duet

Dont know how I feel about the riddle being a temperature thing, but that solution certainly threw me for a loop

I just cant wait for the banter we will get next episode between DVS and Shinobu

[u/ConfectionAcademic35]

The Slam Dunk reference took me by surprise haha

[u/_vogonpoetry_]

Can anyone explain this serie's refusal to show any cuts from the Kizumonogatari films? Any time the events are brought up they either don't show anything at all or they show clips from the recap at the start of Bake instead of from the movie. It's so strange.

[u/SnabDedraterEdave]

Shinobu asks Araragi to swap positions and act as her slave when present before Suicide-Master, so Araragi goes to ask both Kanbaru and Oikura to become his new slaves. lol

To nobody's surprise, Kanbaru quickly agrees while Sodachi in no uncertain terms basically told him to go screw himself. XD

(BTW, did I miss an arc where Araragi and Sodachi reconciled? Guess I need to rewatch Sodachi Riddle and Sodachi Lost. All I remembered is that she left town after that, but she's just less hostile to Araragi, but nowhere near on regular speaking terms with him. )

Shinobu remarking that Suicide-Master being a true vampire would probably lead to this interesting conversation between her and Suicide-Master:

Shinobu: I'm no longer the innocent princess that I used to be 600 years ago, but am now a full vampire (albeit weakened a lot). You'll have to fight me in order to eat me!

Suicide-Master: Oh, you think being a vampire is second nature to you. But you merely adopted the life of being a vampire (I was the one turned you into one); I was born as one, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a woman, by then it was nothing to me but BLINDING! The blood betray you, because they belong to me!”

PS Karen is back! And now she's a high school student, how she has grown up. Araragi comparing Shinobu being alive for 600 years and feeling its surreal, while we all feel nostalgic as he does as he reminisces all the past story arcs that have taken place in the past one year in the story.

[u/SYZekrom]

I have never been so hyped by awkwardly laughing to each other like psychopaths