Any Questions Thread

[u/Careful_Cow_2139]

Go ahead, let's keep them snappy though, no long discussions please.

[u/mtbflatslc]

Absolutely. Moving through deep water is extremely difficult as it is, and water that cold would be straight up dangerous. I would expect signs of hypothermia to kick in almost immediately. On the one hand…that could be a plausible explanation for the undressing I suppose.

If the girls were both about 5’4”, the water would have been above their waists, almost closer to their rib cage. Abby weighed a mere 95lbs. The velocity of the current was 3-4x greater than the median daily dishcarge—meaning, very strong. This is closer to white water rafting speeds. RA had reduced cardiovascular endurance. They would have all been struggling to stay upright, and nearly impossible for RA to have been in anyway controlling, dragging, carrying. He certainly would have needed two hands free—not have been holding a gun—while trying to stay upright and navigate rushing water above his waist. And he allegedly was drunk. People can be swept away by water at half the height than it was.

While they could have plausibly sought out a perfect path to safely pass, this takes extra time and health data steps, something the phone data does not support, let alone the fact that it was a hostile scenario and they weren’t exactly collaboratively working together. The health data supports a continuous seamless transition of movement, no pauses or spikes or surges like would be more probable in trying to navigate this crossing.

I would also expect more forensic evidence from the autopsies indicating that this creek crossing occurred. Mud or slit in their lungs, nostrils, under their fingernails, in their hair. Bruises cuts and scrapes on shins, knees, ankles, arms, palms of their hands from slipping on rocks. The clothing on land should have had a drying pattern that matched the height of the water and possible signs of mud, tears or scratches from slipping. Residual hypothermia effects.

Backpackers can successfully cross rivers and creeks using all types of gear, like trekking poles and grippy footwear. But the average person, with the speed and depth of the water and the slippery rocks, debris, mud, would not be able to cross that water without taking several tumbles, and very likely—almost certainly, especially for 95lb Abby, get swept away downstream. And IMO all of it would take longer than the phone data timeline allows for. Very much appears to be a fabricated narrative to retroactively fit a timeline.

[u/fojifesi → u/mtbflatslc]

hypothermia to kick in almost immediately. On the one hand…that could be a plausible explanation for the undressing

Are you referring to the phenomenon of “paradoxical undressing”?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothermia#Paradoxical_undressing