r/betterCallSaul • u/skinkbaa Chuck • Apr 21 '20
Post-Ep Discussion Better Call Saul S05E10 - [Season 5 Finale] "Something Unforgivable" - Post-Episode Discussion Thread
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u/Kerplookniac Apr 21 '20
Whelp, Nacho is fucked in three years when the show returns.
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u/skinkbaa Apr 21 '20
Lalo is walking back to America, very slowly and will catch up to Nacho in 3 years.
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u/SlamwellBTP Apr 21 '20
And he'll tell Jimmy a story about having to drink his own pee when he gets there
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u/ImADuckOnTuesdays Apr 21 '20
The trip from Chihuahua to Albuquerue is 547 miles.
3 years (including one leap year) is 1096 days. That means Lalo needs to walk .499 miles per day.
His walking speed will be .02 miles per hour, or 105.6 feet.
The average men's step is 31 inches. That comes out to 40 steps per hour, or fewer than one step per minute.
That is indeed very slow.
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u/Wereallgonnadieman Apr 21 '20
Ya mean he isn't going to sleep for 3 years? Man, this guy is formidable, to say the least!!
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u/marcelowit Apr 21 '20
In all seriousness, I expect Lalo to sit at Nachos home with his dead father on the floor when Nacho arrives.
"Come in Nacho, let's finish that drink..."
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Apr 21 '20
Lalo's wound is going to slow him down but make no mistake he will not stop until he reaches the border.
Just imagine him like this for the next few years:
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u/nickgwhite Apr 21 '20
If it's 3 years in BCS time then we might be past BB which could be interesting.
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u/Chicaben Apr 22 '20
Why does everyone keep saying three years?
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u/cb3r1ynx Apr 22 '20
Well, if it took a year and a half for this season to come out, imagine how long it's going to take for the next season with this pandemic.
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u/NCSUGrad2012 Apr 21 '20
Yeah, Lalo is going to come after him with vengeance.
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u/MolestingLester Apr 21 '20
Nacho has had the worst luck out of all the characters
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u/JonAndTonic Apr 21 '20
And oh man is he going to be effective
Brutal, clever, strong
Lalo is one hell of an enemy
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u/YourLatinLover Apr 21 '20
Nacho's ultimate fate might make Jesse's fate at the end of BB seem relatively benign.
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u/The_Unknown98 Apr 21 '20
"It wasn’t me, it was Ignacio. He’s the one!"
Looks like we got more context on what Saul was saying now.
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u/neck_crow Apr 21 '20
I was thinking about that, but Saul has no clue what happened, and Lalo would have literally no reason to think it was Saul. Saul would have no reason to believe that Lalo would think it’s him.
Something else will happen, surely. Saul thinks Lalo is dead.
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u/introduces Apr 21 '20
The storming off at the end. Gave me chills. Tony dalton is truly the best thing to happen to this show.
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u/UhOhAngelo Apr 21 '20
So you’re telling me this whole time we’ve been seeing hinged Lalo with something to lose?
AND NOW WE HAVE THE OPPOSITE?!
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u/joec_95123 Apr 21 '20
Lalo before now: "It's nothing personal, it's just business."
Lalo after now: "I'm gonna murder your whole fucking family."
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u/Searcharama2 Apr 21 '20
Lalo kept his family at the Laloplex out in the middle of nowhere to try to get around, or at least delay, the fact that you will lose something important in the business.
Now the Laloplex is destroyed, as is his family. It's absolutely personal
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u/Ph0X Apr 22 '20
What also makes him scary is that he is super observant and clever. He notices the smallest little detaisl and sherlock holmes the entire thing. When he saw the drink intact, he probably figured out the whole thing down to Nacho jumping on roofs and blowing up restaurants for Fringe.
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Apr 21 '20
Oh man didn’t realize that. I got terminator vibes at the end. I hope he gets some revenge.
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u/carlsaischa Apr 21 '20
S06E01 starts with Lalo road-runnering it along the gravel road by the well, high knees, no sign of fatigue.
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u/aldog2929 Apr 21 '20
The way he was walking at the end literally reminded me of the scene in the original Terminator when it's limping towards the factory door. Lalo is unstoppable.
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u/popo129 Apr 21 '20
I just noticed too we are now going to be Lalo at his darkest. We saw him being this intimidating but patient, smart, and restraint person. Now he was fucked with so who knows what type of shit he will do to the people that fucked him.
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u/denisorion Apr 21 '20
you know what i like him more then i like nacho, i want lalo revenge also if gus thinks lalo is dead al the way up to season 4 of brba i hope lalo somehow meets gene
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u/TheresNoHurry Apr 21 '20
I like him because he’s such an energetic, interesting character.
But I also hate him
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Apr 21 '20
Kim "Scorched Earth" Wexler
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u/IUseControllerOnPC Apr 21 '20
Kim "let's kill Howard and do a fuck on his body, lol" Wexler
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u/Meltingteeth Apr 22 '20
A year after El Camino, Kim is the DA thanks to her pro bono legal work and political maneuvers where she sabotages the other candidates. The Skyler White trial is still going strong because Kim doesn't give a shit about the bodies and wants to take Skyler and her stupid fish face down, going so far as to threaten to put Holly in an orphanage.
Skyler grits her teeth as she straps C4 to Walter Jr's crutches. 'No half measures' she says as Flynn calls Kim to schedule a new testimony.
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u/pazur13 Apr 24 '20
For real though, I feel like having a character directly kill somebody is a huge milestone of a character breaking bad. I wonder if we'll see Kim or Jimmy do it first.
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u/zellfire Apr 21 '20
Is she gonna get disbarred or even go to jail? People have wondered this before. Would be another reason she might not be in BB other than dying.
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u/Boswellboxer Apr 21 '20
SCORCHED EARTH MOTHERFUCKER
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u/KingTyrionSolo Apr 21 '20
Ok. Howard Hamlin. Fuck face. First, take a big step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE!
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u/RaiderBlitz Apr 21 '20
That's what happens when you don't hire the two best hitmen west of the Mississippi.
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u/DylanBob1991 Apr 21 '20
You mean Beaver and uh What's-His-Name?
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u/gulsumbi Apr 21 '20
You're my hero and shitt.
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u/DylanBob1991 Apr 21 '20
Even the thought of that line makes me teary-eyed. Skinny Pete in El Camino was the O-est of G's.
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u/Yankeeknickfan Apr 21 '20
He’s slingin' mad volume and fat stackin' benjies, you know what I'm sayin'?
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u/Chaka747 Apr 21 '20
I’m Skinny Pete, Bitch!
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u/inviroe5113 Apr 21 '20
Is it actually Skinny Pete?! This whole time I thought they were saying Skinny P.
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u/colombogangsta Apr 23 '20
Wasn’t that Badger?
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u/DylanBob1991 Apr 23 '20
Yeah, my comment was a quote from Walt. He couldn't remember their names in one scene and called them "Beaver and whats his name" and I chuckle even thinking about it
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u/FairestAndrew Apr 21 '20
I feel like Mike would have done a better job.
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u/A2daRon Apr 21 '20
Is there a reason why Mike didn't kill him when he was going back to Mexico?
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u/Deathinski Apr 21 '20
Gus would be blamed if Lalo died while in the US. Killing him after he went home would leave him plausible deniability. Gus can just tell Eladio : "Hey, he already left. Why would I kill him now? He's in his lair in Mexico, not even I can get to him there".
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u/IndigenousOres Apr 21 '20
Too obvious
Lalo was going to meet with Don Eladio
Gus needed Nacho to be in charge of running operations North of the border
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u/jennywhistle Apr 22 '20
It was so obnoxiously clumsy, it's almost bad writing. I'll let it slide, but it does feel like the writers made Lalo survive, rather than him surviving from organic means. I fully expected Nacho to tip Lalo off in some way without exposing himself, realizing Gus wasn't going to let him go and that he could get some kind of freedom under Don Eladio directly.
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u/NiftWatch Apr 21 '20
Put Jonathan Banks on lockdown until they finish shooting season 6.
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u/samsarapwd Apr 21 '20
Hes got family coming over
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u/goldenstate5 Apr 21 '20
It's ok, they need to wait a few years for Kaylee's next actress anyways.
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u/torsoboy00 Apr 21 '20
I hope they cast Kaley Cuoco.
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u/lordolxinator Apr 21 '20
I'd rather not associate Mike Erhmantraut's granddaughter with sexual attraction, thanks
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u/repoman Apr 21 '20
Maybe he could bring them over to watch S6 at Huell's. Unlike all us ingrates, Huell will sit by the TV waiting patiently for his show to come on.
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Apr 21 '20
I don't like thinking about it, but I can't help but think about it. Dude just turned 73, just like my father. Let's keep the both of them safe.
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u/E-Nezzer Apr 21 '20
He's 73 but looks well into his 80s to me. Gus is also looking old as fuck, I hope they are much healthier than they look.
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u/BarristanTheeBold Apr 21 '20
The way Gus was walking in that scene with Mike, really showed his age. The slouch was real
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u/BigCj34 Apr 22 '20
The limitations of a prequel to a series that started in 2008. Making people at least 12 years younger is a challenge!
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u/tommyjohnpauljones Apr 21 '20
honestly put Jonathan Banks in Mike's actual house, with daily no-contact deliveries of pimento cheese sandwiches and Busch Light, and free streaming of old movies, until this blows over. America needs him.
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u/supremegay5000 Apr 22 '20
He appears in so many shows I like and I love him so damn much. He was in Parks and Rec, Community and both of these amazing shows. He’s just great.
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Apr 21 '20
This is my huge fear. So many older actors on this show..
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u/number90901 Apr 21 '20
Really just Banks. And he's only in his 70s, a healthy male who reaches 73 can reasonably expect to live deep into his 80s.
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u/tryintofly Apr 21 '20
If something did happen- god forbid but the man is a million years old- it wouldn't affect the story too much. We know what happens to him, he could be off screen (in theory) and still line up to take his place in canon. I'm not saying that's preferable, but they waited too long and hedged their bets. I would've preferred if they had come back in 2019, and the last season just finished filming.
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u/NiftWatch Apr 21 '20
S6 E1: Kimmy and Jimmy are planning another scheme, they need a PI.
“Where’s your guy? You said he was really reliable.”
“He says he’s on a sabbatical. He won’t come back until I call him to clean up a heroin overdose scene.”
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u/Gorillapatrick Apr 21 '20
It would affect the story though... he is a major character and certainly will have important parts in the script that Gilligan probably has already written.
If something happens to him, a lot will have to be rewritten and we wouldn't see the original vision of Gillian anymore.
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Apr 21 '20
Yeah El Camino could've waited til after really like that was an unexpected surprise dunno if it was worth delaying this season for.
Thing is though vacuum guy is dead irl now so if they hadn't made El Camino when they did how would that even work.
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u/Driscoll17 Apr 22 '20
If god forbid something were to happen to Jonathan Banks, would they have to cancel the series? There’s no way they could possibly have a final season with no Mike
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u/NiftWatch Apr 22 '20
I could see them trying to dance around it like “Mike says he’s taking a break.” They could make it happen without him, but it wouldn’t nearly be the same.
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u/ah_wut Apr 21 '20
Lalo has snapped. Shit is going to get real now.
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u/LesFruitsSecs Apr 21 '20
The gravel crunch at the end. Wow. Just wow.
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Apr 21 '20
One of the better portrayals of a focused rage boiling over I've ever seen.
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u/zazzlad Apr 21 '20
His facial expression at the end, he's ready for WAR
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u/Sempere Apr 21 '20
We can kind of infer that his plan doesn't succeed for a few reasons.
Right now, Jimmy thinks Lalo is dead - but in Breaking Bad, he distinctly believes Lalo is alive and active: Gus wouldn't be in the dark if Saul were aware of Lalo being alive due to the Mike connection. So Lalo likely overplays his hand while going scorched earth despite having the advantage/element of surprise on his side. While he could theoretically lay low (ha) and bide his time, it would be a stretch to find a way to have his survival go unnoticed by Gus but not by Saul in this situation.
I'd also guess that the first part of the final season's focus will not be Lalo going after Gus directly, but instead hunting for Nacho. Nacho probably ends up begging Saul for help in disappearing - maybe also for him to not tell Mike (because Nacho would have an easier time disappearing successfully if Gus and Mike think he fulfilled his end of the bargain).
I suspect that the flashforward's payoffs lead to a final trial and Jimmy needing to basically defend his life choices only to desperately need character witnesses.
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u/Curvedabullet Apr 21 '20
I feel bad for him. He is insanely paranoid, even if his cool demeanor covers it. He doesn't sleep. Juan Bolsa even tried to keep Lalo in prison to protect Gus' flow of income to the Cartel. Lalo knows how cutthroat and calculating Cartel life is, which is why he doesn't have anyone he can trust. And now he just had his paranoia justified by being betrayed by the one person he was trying to trust.
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u/Raknel Apr 21 '20
Scariest part? Gus and Nacho will think he's dead because of the call he forced the hitman to make. Lalo can just ambush them any moment.
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Apr 21 '20
I've been waiting for Scary Lalo all season, and goddamn, did he show up. I fear for anyone and everyone who crosses his path next season
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u/theonyltrueMupf Apr 21 '20
You've been waiting for Scary Lalo? That guy was already terrifying in every single scene he was in!
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u/kickstandheadass Apr 21 '20
Papa Varga is F-U-C-K-E-D!
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u/bookishbynature Apr 21 '20
I know and this makes my stomach hurt. His dad is such a sweet traditional man and it will crush Nacho. Why are criminals so naive thinking it won’t hurt their loved ones? It always does.
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Apr 21 '20
I feel like if nacho doesn’t die his father most certainly will next season 😥
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u/Danbito Apr 21 '20
As a son of a Mexican immigrant, I wish my dad was a bit more like Papa Varga. Dude did not deserve any of this, worst part is probably knowing Nacho himself is screwed before anything himself
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Apr 21 '20
How is Nacho naïve? It's his entire motivation to not let his dad get hurt.
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u/Dramatic_______Pause Apr 21 '20
Anybody with the surname "Varga" is fucked.
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u/Long-Island-Iced-Tea Apr 21 '20
Random fact of the day:There are more than 130 000 people living with such surname in Hungary. 1
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u/LessLikeYou Apr 21 '20
Papa Varga takes down Lalo. Never underestimate a man with an upholstery shop. Doesn't ask me how I know not to do that but...
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u/iFloxy Apr 21 '20
Definitely. Especially when they did a close up on Lalo’s mom(?) in the ending scene.
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u/therealDiggyTurtle Apr 21 '20
"PEW PEW" Slippin Kimmy has arrived.
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u/brandononski200 Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 21 '20
I can’t believe it went from last season him saying “saul good , man!” To a terrified kim, and now to kim doing the finger guns, to a terrified saul. kind of a parallel moment
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u/unconscious_grasp Apr 21 '20
That was her version of what Jimmy did in the last scene of last season.
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u/olivmlincoln Apr 21 '20 edited Apr 23 '20
And they panned out on Jimmy's face the same way!
Edit: I got a thing! thank you!
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u/cjcmd Apr 21 '20
We waited 4 seasons to find out when Jimmy became Saul. Turns out, we were asking the wrong question.
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u/sirkg Apr 21 '20
It's amazing how prior to S5, practically everyone in this sub was predicting that Kim would become disgusted with Saul's antics and leave him when in reality the EXACT OPPOSITE is playing out before us right now. It makes me a little afraid because the chance of Kim leaving on her own terms is slowly dwindling while the possibility of something terrible happening to her as a result of her (and Jimmy's) inability to control themselves.
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u/The_Unknown98 Apr 21 '20
It's actually crazy how Kim is now working backwards in her career given how much she has achieved and what she did to make it to where she was at.
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u/jakesnyder Apr 21 '20
Jimmy really hitting us with that fake out about leaving Kim in the middle of the episode
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u/BBQ_HaX0r Apr 21 '20
She wouldn't let him. Here he is thinking he's 'broke too bad for her' and she's over here trying to make him go even more bad!
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u/b_buster118 Apr 21 '20
After Lalo faked his death he gets plastic surgery and lives in Nebraska as Jeff the taxi driver.
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u/Haaselh0ff Apr 21 '20
The worst part about all this. Nacho is gonna go home, expect to finally be out of the game. Tell his dad he's done and then Lalo's gonna show back up and murder him right in front of him.
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Apr 21 '20
I am so glad Lalo survived. And nacho. And Kim. Yeah season six is going to be amazing!
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u/artgriego Apr 21 '20
That whole scene made me feel like the job interviews I've had where I immediately decide I hate the place.
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u/skinkbaa Apr 21 '20
See you guys in two years!