[Episode Discussion] Season 5 Episode 9 'We Have Not Long To Live'

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We Have Not Long To Live - As Vincent, Marcel and Josh work to clean up the city, an uprising of purist vampires leads the supernatural factions into a deadly showdown. Hope's attempt to bring her family back together leaves her struggling with the consequences. Finally, Freya makes a life-changing decision. Klaus and Elijah also appear.

• Directed by: Bethany Rooney
• Written by: K.C. Perry & Michelle Paradise

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[u/naccan26]

Funny how Klaus and Elijah are simply “appearing” on their own show

[u/kal824]

There was a time when Klaus would have murdered the entirety of his enemies, like, you know the beginning of this season, I don't understand why he and Marcel don't just wipe out all the Nazi vamps that they can find

[u/naccan26]

A much better solution would have been for Vincent to tell Marcel to run over to Ivy and make sure everything was okay instead of him running at half speed

[u/Kattain]

So did I miss something cause I don’t understand why normal vampires that can’t go out into the sun are still a threat?

[u/naccan26]

Hope if what you need is violence to feel better.... THEN YOU HAVE THE PERFECT FATHER! I actually died!! I think that’s my favorite quote in the whole series...

[u/mocochocoblue]

Yeah, this episode made the least amount of sense and a lot of people were on their low IQ game.

So, you mean to tell me that Marcel the upgraded Original just decided to not take out the annoyances hiding in the shadows after they've been making all these fucking death threats towards werewolves and hybrids? Really? He could've made all of them extinct with no problem. No, the writers want him to convey to the audience that if he see's Emmett again, he'll rip his face off his thick skull instead of doing so in that previous scene.

Vincent has this boss moment with Emmett - which was great and I enjoyed every second of it, haha - but after hearing what Emmett wants and his little threats...Vincent doesn't snap his neck, why? This is their new leader! Snap his neck, hold him captive, gather the rest of the Nazi vampires up by threatening their leader's life, and then trap and kill all of them. There is no reason why the vampires, werewolves, witches, and hybrids, all didn't work together and end these psychopaths much sooner. Why have Vincent build a relationship with Ivy only to kill her once they actually get it started? The point is...? I mean, they could've just left her out entirely. Mind you, I think Ivy and Lisina were some good character's even if we didn't see them - mostly Lisina - that much. From the short moments we've had of Lisina, she seemed like a good Alpha.

Emmett gave these low brain cell idiots warning after warning and they failed to take action as soon as the first threat came out of his trifling mouth.

Now, I'm not sure what's going on with Declan and the compulsion obviously not working on him, but what's his purpose? Why is he here? Haha! From my perspective, the compulsion doesn't seem to have worked on him once again. What was the point in Elijah explaining anything to Declan if he was just going to "erase" his memory? Either way, Declan seems like he's up to something with that smirk on his face and considering we're about to be on the tenth episode unless he pulls off something shocking, there's no point to the character's existence. It's a little funny how he has the nerve to state that Hayley was lying - more like, she hid the truth - to him the whole time, but he's obviously hiding his knowledge of the supernatural and more.

Question, "Do you have any understanding of the damage you caused her?" What the hell did Hayley tell this man or how did he interpret what she said? The break up between Elijah and Hayley was kind of mutual, hell, Hayley had been avoiding Elijah all day and yelling at him before it happened, but he did a number on her? Yeah, okay, Declan. The only reason it was mutual is because Elijah stated, "I know it's over." when he realized Hayley was saying her goodbye to him, so I don't understand what Declan is attempting to preach about.

Lastly, this whole Hope slashing Elijah up...okay? Is she going to do the same to herself considering she's also responsible for her mother's death? Hell, Elijah played a minor part in comparison to herself. Why not go and find Roman who played a larger part in Hayley's death than she and Elijah? Why not go after the Nazi vampires who are left over and kill them considering they're a part of the organization that wanted her dead? Instead of throwing her father around in the next episode go throw them around and slash them apart. I still don't blame Elijah, let's be real if the writer's wanted to keep Hayley alive all they had to do was have Hayley snap Greta's neck after she ripped her finger off. If they wanted to keep her alive after she ripped Greta's finger off Klaus could've used vamp speed and snapped her neck considering he was up after she did that.

Congrats, to Keelin and Freya...I mean, the proposal was lackluster, but hey, Freya has finally learned to stop pushing Keelin out of her life when shit goes bad.

"So what you really need to do is go ahead and get the hell on up outta here before I yank yo punk ass out into the sun, ya heard me?" Haha! Go, Vincent!

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purist vampires

This is never, ever, going to not be the stupidest shit in this show's history. I bet it was Julie Plec's idea.

[u/fufutamtam]

I am so disappointed about the show now.

Look, writers don't have THE inspiration anymore.

WHAT I do like :

- Klaus and Hope interaction, showing his fatherhood side.

- Kelin reunites and accepts Freya's proposal (a little bit boring and the acting there is not that good but whatever, they deserve to be happy)

- The relation between Vincent and his witch girlfriend romance.

WHAT I do not like

- Freya, since the beginning of this new season, she seems to appear very useless. Indeed, we haven't seen her practising magic, and she is supposed to be strong cause she is the first born Mickaelson witch right ?!

- Hope and The Hollow : The story is WAY too long !

- Elijah and his memories, writers has been running around that story since the beginning of the season, just do something new FFS.

- I have enough of the absent of Rebecca and Kol, thanks god, they are living their best life though.

In generals, there are just some episodes left. I'd like to see more magic, action scene and not sleeping in front of my TV.

[u/Kattain]

The deaths this episode meant nothing to me.

First death was totally unnecessary and could have been prevented if somebody took action after hearing SEVERAL threats about the events that would take place that night.

As for the witches, if only there were things such as cell phones in the future....that or if only he knew somebody who could run really fast..

I seriously hope this “conflict” doesn’t carry throughout the rest of the season. Smh

[u/kal824]

Every Declan scene is a god damn waste of time. I actually like the character a lot and if this wasn't the final season he would be a welcome addition to the cast but wasting screen time on Hayley's off screen boyfriend is just filler garbage

[u/naccan26]

Emmett needs to shut up. Marcel could end them all in seconds

[u/One_Raven_Feather]

I don't know where to start. This episode was just SO full of plot holes. Here are the main three: 1.) Emmett: "I will kill the werwolfs tonight". Marcel: "Okay. See you later!". Emett: "Choose our side or.... ". Vincent: "Okay, see you later!". Emmett: "We helped getting Hayley killed, threatened you and your city and we see your daughter as an abomination". Klaus: "I don't care. Almighty me will spend the entire day running after Hope and will do nothing else, so have fun with your war".

2.) Huge explosion, the church was basically destroyed but only three dead people? Keelin and Freya, next to the explosion, survived with little to no wounds. #PlotArmour #I can't even remember the name of the dead female werwolf leader

3.) Elijah - in his own hell after what he did because his memories were deleted - does what? Yeah, he deleted the memories of someone else. Instead of protecting the werwolves Hayley cared about or do something else to help his family. I know he's destroyed but... yeah.

All in all: Congratulation producers! You reached a new bottom with your inconsistent writing.

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If I watch one more damn episode where Marcel, Klaus, or Elijah doesn’t wipe out Emmett or use their powers instead of getting their assess handed to them in fights I'm going to snap.

I get it this is the set up for Hope's spin off but WTF it's still the originals.

[u/kal824]

Julie Plec tweeted that there would be more emotional deaths coming after Hayley died. If those deaths include the werewolf leader and Ivy, boo fucking hoo some brand new season 5 characters died, they didn't live long enough for us to get attached

[u/naccan26]

Hope needs to remember why Elijah was amnesiac in the first place: he was sacrificing his memories for HER

[u/Miss_Eliquis]

Can someone explain the ending please? What was Ivy doing and how and why did she die? I missed something when that psycho vampire was talking

[u/changdi]

So, I feel stupid for having watched that. Even if we leave aside how stupid all characters were acting, there wasn't even any interesting or entertaining action. Side characters reappeared and were killed off in underwhelming ways, main characters didn't react particularly emotional nor logical. Great. And I thought the Hollow was a bad villain last season.. stupidly overpowered and unrelated to the characters. Now it is back plus the remainder of a hundred year old hate group whose initial leader happened to have been killed by Klaus - but that's not even their issue? Is their shitty plan that succeeded for pure luck/out-of-character behaviour of others supposed to draw out Klaus, Hope and their gang of hybrids who could literally kill all of the nightwalkers in seconds? Why are they in NOLA in the first place? Early opponents of the originals were interesting to differing degrees mostly bc they acted strategic to the point where even with the originals and the other factions cooperating and planning properly they were a believable danger. Now we have a crew of nightwalkers with an unknown witch on their side and they are a danger to all the more powerful beings in NOLA how?

[u/LeagueImaginaryWomen]

We finally get a Mardi Gras!

[u/NicholasLaBelle]

Hope will become Hope Monster to keep the voices away.

[u/The_ImmortalHybrid23]

wtf is really going on with show!! I hated this episode. The show is called "The Originals", why are these unnecessary character like keelin, Lisina getting most of the screen time. I totally lost interest. We could give two cents about freya and keelin's relationships . And what i'm upset about is why is some normal vampire groups causing so much trouble. its so cringe to watch these regular threatens marcel. Marcel can literately kill everyone of them at the same time. Elijah killed big ass army of vampire by himself. Like this season is so bad. After season 3 this show just lost its touch. I could of sworn i saw more of these unknown ass character than Klaus and Elijah. The writers are super incompetent!!

[u/Gotham0]

How did Klaus not hear her in pain

[u/[deleted]]

Do you ever wonder what it would feel like to be a vampire and shoot vervain into your veins?

I assume it feels a lot like watching this episode. :)

[u/julianwelton]

On one hand I want this Declan sub plot and character to go away forever. On the other hand I kind of want them to make his involvement pay off in some way to justify his fucking existence in the series finale!

[u/KingMarcel]

Great episode (Not).

I understand having to force the drama, conflict and suspense, but this was a little too much.

Emmett isn't even believable as an antagonist. At least, Greta as awful as she was had presence. Elijah's brother just feels like an extra.

The protagonists have too much arsenal so the conflict just isn't believable.

And what the hell was having Marcel brick up a tunnel gonna do? Vampires have super strength and it's not like all the sledge hammers in the city are hiding.

1.5/5 episode. Cannot defend.

[u/Miss-Messy-In-Ayland]

This entire episode made no sense. Klaus staying behind while an apparent bloodbath is going on in the city and everyone is participating but him? A bomb could have killed Freya and the brothers aren't here to avenge her? Besides Freya is super strong you mean to tell me she didn't have time to cast a protecting spell the second she realized what was going on? + I thought Klaus would bring Hope there so she can kill all those vampires that are threatening her and killed her mom and release the Hollow's frustrations. Also, Vincent realizes Ivy is in danger and you mean to tell me Marcel can't even take him and rush there when he's right next to him? Vincent has to run by foot alone and witness her death? Marcel isn't heartless he would have helped Ivy she's a really kind person, especially since the people who killed her were his enemies. I'm all for killing characters, but not in ways that make our badass and strategic characters look like a bunch of whiny idiots. Anyone of the originals (including Freya) and Marcel could wipe the floor with all those vampires. Them not doing anything about them, especially considering they're threatening Hope is out of character,