r/The100 • u/ElenaOcean 🌙 • May 09 '18
SPOILERS S5 Morning After Analysis: S5E3 " Sleeping Giants"
503 - "Sleeping Giants" was written by Aaron Ginsburg & Wade McIntyre and directed by Tim Scanlan
Murderers, Crazies, and Skeeves
Reminscient of those grounder traps in S1, Clarke skewers one of PrisonKru and uses his screams to lure the rest of the unit out into the open to snipe them. Lil' Madi says it's wrong for them to let him suffer, which is very cute, and also it's interesting to have the voice of an innocent child in all this, those naive voices often end up with the worst of fates on this show, so let's hope Madi's story ends differently.
Grubby MacBeanie gets out his subatomic leaf-blower and uses it to blast Clarke's sniper nest, it seems to have the effects of a flashbang and Madi and Clarke run for the hills.
Sexy Boss Lady that I don't know the name of (I'm gonna call her Megalith, or Meg for short), turns out she was a SEAL and the leader of the mutiny, triggered by the mysterious Order 11, and she used the Lt. to take over the ship and pilot it back to earth. There's clearly a conflict here over Meg's decision, but also Lt. Cutie seems to support her command even if he doesn't agree with her methods, and he mentions those fatal words "Why does it have to be war at all?" If that sounds familiar, Finn says something very similar in Unity Day back in S1 when he and Clarke are talking about the 13th Station.
Clarke: The Unity Day story gives people hope though, and peace came out of that violence.
Finn: Yeah, but did there need to be violence at all?
Space, where no one can hear you holla about the S6 renewal
Spacekru flies their tampon into the Eligius 4 mothership with a little bit of a wonky landing, but Bellamy's helmet hair was so good that everyone still cheered that they didn't die in a fiery explosion. Actually, the whole squad swaggering into that spaceship was hot af, god bless these scruffy-looking hydrazine pirates.
Can I say, that these sets get better every year, and the prison ship is very different from the Ark, it gave me real Dead Space vibes, and while Monty and Raven were hacking the system to find out what happened, I was totally expecting some tentacle baby monster to pop out. Raven finds a source of fuel for them, but we are also introduced to "Laser-Com", which in lieu of satellites or radio, basically allows them to overhear Prisonkru's comms on the ground while granting them remote control of Eligius 4.
This led to a brilliant intercut of the gang listening to Prisonkru hunting Clarke down in the woods without realizing it was Clarke. She gets captured, and again, Lt. Cutie tries to persuade his companions not to kill her.
Back on Eligius 4, Monty, Echo, and Murphy discover "Kodiak", AKA, 300 cryo-frozen prisoners - but given how difficult the current prisoners are being, does anyone really think it's a good idea to wake up a bunch of violent unpredictable offenders? Spacekru hightails it out of there, but not before one of these sleeping beauties wakes up.
Bellamy and Raven find the last log recording, which details how the ship was taken over by the prisoners and the crew were slaughtered. This explains the easter egg from last season, where earth lost contact with the mining colony before Alie's nuclear war, around the time that Second Dawn was being investigated.
The woke prisoner attacks, and it takes Bells, Raven and Echo to kill him, which leads me to believe they could avoid whatever awful bloodbath is coming in the season finale if they humanely kill all the prisoners now. (I'm not kidding, I wrote this, pressed play, and Murphy suggested it in the next scene, apparently mods and sociopaths have a lot in common.)
Hello to our first big moral dilemma of the season, Echo backs Murphy that they should kill the prisoners now or risk all getting killed later, Bellamy is hesitant to kick off Adventure Squads first day trip in six years with mass murder. Murphy reminds Bellamy that this is what Clarke would do, and what she "died" for, Bellamy argues that Clarke wouldn't want them to make the same mistakes. They compromise by deciding to block the remote access from the ground and use the popsicle army as leverage but Raven realizes she needs to stay behind, and so Spacekru split up, with Murphy volunteering to stay with Raven.
Cabbage Patch HQ
Prisonkru is still trying to get Clarke to co-operate. The rapey Prisonkru unit catches up with Madi, and Clarke agrees to talk if they let her go. As she's explaining how the world ended though, Spacekru lands, and Clarke is accused of lying again about how many of her people there are. They put her in a shock collar, and just as Spacekru is about to be executed by Prisonkru, Madi shows to rescue them, and because she's been raised on stories of Clarke's heroes, she recognizes Bell and takes him to save Clarke.
Bellamy arrives, and offers not to kill the 300 prisoners in exchange for Clarke, and around the world, a heavenly chorus of squealing fangirls could be heard from space, undercut by the groans of PlatonicKru, the five people who genuinely ship Becho, and the howls of the mod team clawing their own eyes out.
TL;DR: Bellamy's hair. Murphy and Raven are trapped in space. Prisonkru might actually be the bad guys. Madi saves her childhood heroes. 300 people didn't die this episode. Murphy, don't be a hero. We were renewed for S6. Emori safely returned Spacekru to earth. Who can say which cute pacifist will die first?
This and that:
LOL@ Bellamy holding that Best Dad in the Universe mug, Jason, leave the Bellarkers alone!
Echo getting to grips with science-lingo is really cracking me up.
Which prisoner scored highest on the crazy/hot scale?
If one of those sleeping beauties is not my man Bill, will anyone riot with me?
Where can I get my hands on a subatomic leaf-blower?
FFS someone ping me with the names of the prisoners.
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u/icatinthebox May 10 '18
Raven and Murphy stuck together is all I care right now!!
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u/ebookclassics May 11 '18
Poor Murphy can't catch a break. Everyone's always dumping on him. Although, yes, he deserves it at times. I think being stuck with Raven is a good thing. She respects and understands him.
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May 10 '18 edited May 10 '18
Anyone notice how they went with the 300 number again with the frozen prisoners??? ROFL Jason sure likes to stick to his numbers. :p
Edit: Also, did anyone else find it a bit anti-climactic when Bellamy found out Clarke was alive? It totally reminded me of when he found out Octavia was alive after his emotional breakdown thinking she was dead. It was very "meh" and disappointing. I'm not sure what else they could have done, but I totally felt deja-vu with the Octavia is alive reveal.
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u/ChiralChupacabra May 11 '18
Who knew head bobbing was a thing in the kneeling position...
...I'm into it.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
I'm curious if they'll be given better treatment now that they've got leverage. From a rational point of view, this should go pretty smoothly from here on out so curious to see how they'll screw it up.
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May 10 '18
I think he was shocked. I mean, he thought she was dead, mourned her, spent 6 years without her by his side and then she showed up again and was in danger. It's too much for him. Besides, when he said "She is", you can see the emotion on his face. I find his reaction very spot on, tbh. They must be saving the emotion for next episode with the hug (translation : Bellamy Blake is gonna kill us).
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May 10 '18 edited May 10 '18
"Sleeping Giants" was the strongest episode yet. Packed with action, featuring a self-aware line about having to kill hundreds, and ending with a big reunion.
I know it's fun to focus on the big reunion... But this episode basically revealed something that could potentially change the scope of the show in the future. This episode could potentially open up new avenues for The 100.
Of course I'm talking about Zeke's revelation about Eligius III.
"You see this?"
"Blood alteration like that on Eligius III. Two suns, no sunscreen needed."
The reveal here is of course the last phrase. "Two suns, no sunscreen needed." I assume that would mean that Eligius III's destination was the closest binary star system which would be Alpha Centauri AB some four lightyears from Earth.
There's two potential takeaways from this. Either Eligius Company was such a juggernaut of a company that sinking massive amounts of resources into projects that wouldn't return a profit in a century or two was just fine. Or Eligius greenlit such a project because they had tech that made it possible to travel four lightyears, then mine, and then return to Earth. All in a reasonable amount of time.
I'll talk about other stuff later. But that is the one thing that interested me the most. It seems that Rothenberg is laying some preliminary groundwork for potential spacefaring in the future. Though I could be completely wrong as well.
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u/TickleMeGio May 11 '18
A part of me feel like the feel of the 100 will change a lot if they shift the focus form living on earth.
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u/fullup72 May 12 '18
To be fair the only season truly dedicated to "living on earth" yet was season 4. The "living in space" and "living in a bunker" themes have always been recurring otherwise.
Earth doesn't look too fit now as the little that was remaining from civilization was wiped by praimfaya, so further story development on Earth might be challenging. Clarke and Maddie are just playing to be grounders now, we circled all the way back to S1. And don't get me wrong, it's a great season so far, just that as Clarke refused to talk I was just feeling a massive Lincoln déjà vu.
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u/Kishara May 10 '18
ZOMG! Welcome back jonske! The two suns part is pretty interesting. Would be great to learn there is another planet with humans on it after all.
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May 10 '18 edited May 12 '18
Thanks! It's great to have The 100 back! I was visiting family last week so I couldn't really contribute here during the first and second episodes! But now I can continue my fairly regular commenting here!
Would be great to learn there is another planet with humans on it after all.
That was actually something I considered as well but I don't know Maybe it's a bit like Alien situation. Eligius IV is a run-of-the-mill mining vessel like Nostromo but Eligius III is Covenant level colonisation vessel. But then I would just say that Eligius Company had wonky naming systems. Or maybe IV is the worst while I is the best? What? I'm a bit tired!
I'm guessing you meant more like prisoner ship having to colonise a planet because of random circumstances or something, haha!
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u/theredmokah May 10 '18
Loved this episode, but one thing irked me to no end; Clarke's capture was so badly written.
What the hell was Clark's motivation for drawing out the prisoner forces, just to shoot one of them and give away her position? You can see they are heavily armed. You have tortured one of their men to lure these guys out. It's just you and your girl in broad daylight. What the hell makes you think it's a good idea to shoot and give away your position?
You know they'll chase after you. You know you'll be on the run. Super bad writing. It made no sense, especially from someone as experienced in war as Clarke.
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u/Eye_Wonder_at_Night May 15 '18
It's a tactic. She was using him for bait. She wounded him so he would hurt and calling for help. When other people come to help you kill them or leave one alive and start the process over. I'm assuming she meant to kill them all, I can't remember why she stopped at just 1 guy. Maybe she was distracted.?
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u/theredmokah May 15 '18
Yes, clearly she was using him for bait. But her shooting at them once they all revealed themselves made no sense. She was in no position to make an assault on the prisoner group. She stopped because she got blasted by some kind of launcher.
They weren't going to just stand around while she shot them one by one. She didn't set up traps as a safety precaution. It's not like she had a crazy advantageous sniping position (like up on a cliff or something). Killing them all was completely unrealistic and didn't make sense from someone as skilled in war as Clarke.
It was literally, "I'm gonna shoot and give away my position... so you can chase and inevitably capture me." If she was doing it simply to scout, that would have been fine. But shooting them make zero, absolutely zero, sense.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
I would argue it's pretty dumb for them to chase her. They don't know how many people are in the woods, if she still had grounders with them that would end with all the pursuit squad getting captured at best.
But it was dumb of her doing that, she should've kept him for interrogation/leverage. Get all the info out of him then send him with a sort of deal back to the commander or something.
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u/theredmokah May 15 '18
Yeah, it was dumb of this prisoner gang to go all aggressive immediately. I think they semi (albeit poorly) explained it through the tracker. He may have mentioned there was only two of them (although I might be making this up). But yeah, they didn't know if Clarke was luring them further into another trap or what.
For sure the writer's just made Clarke act like she had no war experience just for the plot's sake. She could have interrogated him, used him to conceal a bomb, used him as a hostage etc. Anything other than what she did really.
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u/ChiefWamsutta May 11 '18
I agree. This was my biggest gripe about the episode. Although, because it was just Madi and her, they might have needed to go on the offensive. Hiding and waiting won't work for long when there are more people who can spread out and capture/kill them easily.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
There's just no plan or foresight in the first place. To her knowledge, she's herself and a teenager against a group of well-armed prisoners.
I don't know what kind of weaponry she has apart from that rifle but if she wanted war best plan is probably to get an automatic weapon and ambush them and mow them all down. Picking one by one is a hard play when you're that hurt on numbers.
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u/theredmokah May 15 '18
Yeah exactly. Or at least set up traps or a bomb. Or get a way better sniping position than a bush a few meters away. Like... do anything other than what she did basically.
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u/maddermonkey May 10 '18
To answer the Hypable preview:
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Annoying - the sound alarm
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Funny - Murphy trapping himself in space
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Heartbreaking - Raven realizing she can't go down with them
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Upset - Seeing Clarke tortured
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Swoon - "She is!"
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u/freakitikitiki May 10 '18
Did anyone catch what Clarke said about Madi leading those prisoners into something’s “summer hunting grounds”? Any thoughts on what that something could be? Clarke seemed very sure whatever it was could take on some well armed hardened prisoners.
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u/rahomka May 11 '18
They didn't believe her when she said there was nobody else so she told them something they'd believe that made it seem like she was cooperating.
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u/CashWho May 10 '18
She said "Our summer hunting grounds" so she just meant the traps that she and Madi set out to catch animals during the summer.
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u/grumblepup May 10 '18
Legit snort-laughs:
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Grubby MacBeanie
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Bellamy is hesitant to kick off Adventure Squads first day trip in six years with mass murder.
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popsicle army
I so look forward to these recaps, thank you for your important service.
Quick question, though, as I've seen a couple references to this and can't remember/figure out what it's from... Who is Bill?
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u/ElenaOcean May 10 '18
You are very welcome!
Bill was the leader of the Second Dawn cult, his recruits became the first grounders that Becca led as commander.
But in the background of a scene in S4, while Raven is researching the power stations, there's an article that says the cult was under investigation, so I hold out hope that Bill was arrested and never made it into his bunker and was instead sent to the mining colonies before the war broke out, so the cultists flocked to Becca as their savior. Which would explain why Bill is never mentioned in Grounder religion even though he was instrumental in forming it.
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May 11 '18
Bill was arrested and never made it into his bunker and was instead sent to the mining colonies before the war broke out
HOOOOOOOOOOOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
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u/VodkaAunt May 11 '18
The second dawn cult was the ancestors of the grounders? How did I not know this?
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u/grumblepup May 10 '18
Ooohhh, thanks for that info! If it goes the way you hope, that would be fascinating!
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u/SnowMercy May 10 '18
Eligius Order 11..? The long dead Captain in his final log says the prisoners found out about it and it's what caused the revolt..I want to know more about this. Anyone have any thoughts or theories?
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u/maxcresswellturner May 10 '18 edited May 10 '18
So Aegis 4, huh.
Couple questions.
I wonder how many there are? We know now that multiple mining ships were sent on missions. We know in at least one case they had contact with one another, in particular between 4 and 3.
I wonder if they were sent together or separately? Since they’re travelling to asteroids and/or “habitable planets”, we would be speaking possibly light years of travel unless within in our solar system. If separately, this raises the question if they’re capable of communication at that range.
We know that Aegis 4 had contact from Aegis 3 as they knew about the blood alteration similar to Clarke’s that they experienced, however blood alteration (not by experiment such as in Clarke’s case) would have only occurred after a very long period of time.
Have these ships returned in the past and will we be seeing more of these ships?
Speaking of blood alteration on Aegis 3 - does Elegius have any relation to the company that funded Becca’s space research on blood alteration?
Interested to see how all of these tie together with the other two storylines.
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It's come to my attention that during one of Raven's high-neural-activity seizure visions it's stated that Becca developed nightblood for long duration space travel for Eligius.
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Her company designed most of the tech on the space stations that made up the Ark.
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We know that her company (for a placeholder, let's call it "Grandpa" ) doesn't only design biotech as they assisted with the majority of the Ark's tech.
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If Grandpa developed biotech for Eligius, it could be fair to assume that they also developed space tech for Eligius, inferring that they played a heavy hand in the Eligius project.
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We know that Eligius sent the Aegis ships for both asteroid mining and habitable planet searches - the latter of which would infer that they've accomplished light speed travel. We also know that Eligius sent these ships BEFORE war and the Ark was sent up AFTER the war.
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Grandpa developed tech for both Eligius and The Ark - since Aegis ships are capable of light-speed travel, and The Ark was stationed in Earth's orbit with no known history of light-speed travel to/from The Ark, we can assume that either no Aegis ships had a successful search OR that they never survived/returned with news of a successful search.
Lot of useless facts here but put together they could yield some clues. Who is Grandpa?
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u/agWTF May 11 '18
Are you saying.... Ally is on that ship. I completely miss Ally as the main Antagonist. I'm screaming I can imagine the final with raven and Murphy discovering Ally again lmaoooo yes.
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u/maxcresswellturner May 11 '18
While that would be quite a twist I don't believe that is the case.
THe only possible case here would be a pre-ALIE A.I. We know that the Aegis ships were sent out before the nuclear apocalypse, and since that happened fairly immediately after ALIE's completion, we can pretty safely assume that there's too short of a period (if any) between ALIE's completion and the Aegis missions.
With that being said, ONE possible exception and theory could explain this: rapid tech development VIA ALIE. From what we currently understand, ALIE announced pretty immediately upon her completion that her primary objective was to be accomplished through a mass reduction of human population. IF there was a period between her completion and between announcing this objective where they utilized her to rapidly develop existing tech, it's possible that she played a hand in the development of the tech that allowed for light-speed travel and gave the go for the search for habitable planets. This would also align in some interpretation of her objective - "too many people" suggesting that this search is required.
With the exception of my last theory though... Pretty sure we're done with the whole AI bit. Thank god, that was exhaustingly genius.
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May 10 '18
Also, in season 4 episode...5?? "The Tinder Box" it was stated that Becca first developed nightblood FOR Eligius, so I think it's canon that she did work for/with them.
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u/mogwhy_ May 10 '18
They mentioned that one of the places with nightblood had two suns. Super cool.
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u/DBish95 May 10 '18
So possibly Alpha Centauri or farther. So we're talking a high percent of light speed travel with the timescales we're dealing with. Maybe the pre-apocalypse tech was much more advanced than it seems...
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u/maddermonkey May 10 '18
My guess is that Clarke drew Monty and mentioned he was a genius but also drew Raven and said she was a better genius so Madi probably only cared about Raven more.
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u/katakazi May 09 '18
I swear the reference to Eligius 3 and how religious Miners!Crew seem to be, confirmed my head cannon about other prisoner ships landing after first praimfaya and forming or shaping some of the grounder clans (how about Azgeda= Ice Nation= Cryosleepers? + they used prisoner labor, maybe as revenge) And perhaps there were a few nightbloods and some Second Dawn level 13 guys on some of those ships, explaining how flamekeepers took control of the flame from Becca and used it for political purposes..
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u/TexasKru May 10 '18
If your idea is true it goes against what we have all been led to believe, that the grounders are all survivors of the bunker. A central part of the more popular theory is that the number of clans are derived from the second dawn cult.
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u/Joshwoum8 May 12 '18
While his idea is pretty far out, it would final make sense why the grounders are gang like.
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u/TexasKru May 12 '18
It seems like humanity devolved back into tribalism to me as opposed to one or various ships of prisoners returned to earth to become warring tribes. I just love the way this show makes you think, I love discussing my thoughts and reading everyone else's because literally anyone's random theory could be right.
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u/ValuePrestige May 09 '18
I think it's safe to say that Shaw wont be alive very long
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u/maxcresswellturner May 10 '18
Shaw would seriously make a BADASS villain. I personally see him becoming a sort of Murphy-esque character. He'll try to stage a mutiny and ultimately fail (while coming dangerously close to a majority uprising) and will ultimately be defeated and probably exiled - giving him the spark of hatred and revenge to fuel his rage. He'll disappear for a couple episodes, possibly a season, and will return with a newfound group (I personally think he could find his way in an Ice Nation type group) or another group of Aegis prisoners. Maybe he'll pull a Jawa and come back with a cult following.
One thing's for sure - this guy fucks.
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u/fullup72 May 11 '18
He'll try to stage a mutiny
and probably exiled
He'll disappear for a couple episodes, possibly a season, and will return with a newfound group
That sounds too much like Emerson. I would be pissed if they use this plot device again.
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u/maxcresswellturner May 11 '18
I see what you mean, although Emerson is a kind of different case. Emerson was never in a struggle for authority within his own group, and was never banished from his own group - rather he was one of the sole survivors after his group was destroyed.
Also, for the most part in regards to Emerson as an antagonist - his primary objective was revenge. Shaw seems to desire power and command, which would motivate him in different ways.
I do agree with you that this is recycled plot device though (albeit a great one).
Maybe we'll see events head toward more of a Cage-Kane battle for authority and we'll see a coup OR division of group where Shaw becomes a leader and a driving antagonist?
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May 10 '18
I think he will possibly turning against Diyoza, he seems like a guy with a brain. McCreary (McCreamy) will die before Shaw dies. Hes way too much of a troublemaker. :D
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u/Hydrogenior May 09 '18
This was another really good episode. I really like this season so far.
What I really like is that Madi seems to be quite the rebel and she doesn't seem to like hiding that much. Also she is as badass as her mother. Truly Wanheda Jr.
What I don't get is how they reentered and landed in this presumably quite small patch of land without anyone noticing or mentioning, there were even some members of prisonkru nearby to promptly capture them. This is in stark contrast to Skaikru beeing able to see the culling happening.
The best parts from this episode will be the two-word-expressions. First Clarkes "Which time?" and then "She is." from Bellamy, both sooooo good.
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u/fullup72 May 11 '18
"She is."
I personally think this would have been much more powerful if he said "she died so that we could live".
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u/Semmlbroesel May 10 '18
I don't think the small patch is really that small. If you look at it in the intro and from the way they are referring to it, it actually is an entire valley. I think if they had a truce, it would be more than enough space for all of the prisoners + the bunker people to live there if we ignore food production for now.
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u/Skai_rippah May 14 '18
It's definitely not a small patch of land. When Bellamy and Murphy see the transport traveling down to the surface from space you can see the patch of green and it is easily visible from space. It leads me to believe that it is probably an area at least as big as a decent sized state.
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u/Feenx16 May 10 '18
if we ignore food production
Soo... not enough for them to live on? Lol food is kinda important
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u/Semmlbroesel May 10 '18
I get that, but they grew stuff in space, they can also grow stuff outside the living area, especially since there will be some more materials on the ground compared to space.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
Why though? She killed a bunch of their people and has been uncooperative(and from their perspective lied to them) when they were asking for a peaceful resolution. She's the one that's turned into a grounder savage that kills people for no reason.
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May 09 '18
I know I’m in the minority here amongst Bellarke shippers but... that Bellamy/Raven scene got me good, kids. They always get me so good.
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u/redheadedalex May 10 '18
It's true man. it's true. I have no stake in any of these romances but I will always see the chemistry between Bellamy and Raven.
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May 10 '18
I'm not feeling Bellarke. I see them more as peers who have platonic love and shared experiences no one else can relate to.
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u/lesficbklvr734 May 09 '18
I've been loving this season. Usually I watch the first episode of a season then wait for it to come out on DVD, so I can marathon it in one go. But I found myself just glued to the tv this season. I love how all the characters have changed and their dynamics with each other. And I agree keeping them separated sucks! So let's hope Emori, Harper and Monty siphon off some of that hydrozene from the prisoner drop ship while Clark and Bellamy are playing chess with the hot prisoner lady and go and retrieve their people!
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u/shishuni May 11 '18
Not the topic you were talking about, but if I hear anyone on this show say "my people" or "our people" again I might barf. Someone should count how many times that's been said in the course of the series haha.
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u/fullup72 May 11 '18
Octavia is trying to fix that for you. There's no "your people" if you are the enemy of One Kru.
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u/awkwardinclined May 09 '18
The last minute of the episode will sustain me for 84 years. Bellarke was my first ship for the show and gotdamn I’m so glad they both know the other is alive now. My heart is so full. I’m not even a hardcore shipper, I loved Clexa too. But ahhhhh.
Also Bellamy is best dad amen.
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May 10 '18
I am sad that Bellamy's reaction to Clark being alive wasnt more.. HM...emotional? His face was only saying "Oh, okay."
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u/shishuni May 11 '18
Then again, he can't give away too much about how he feels, or the enemy would have leverage Bellamy doesn't want them to have.
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u/awkwardinclined May 10 '18
I feel you. To me it seemed like he was in shock and then when he heard Clarke was in trouble he immediately went into Captain Daddy Bellamy mode? I’m hoping we get some more reunion stuff between them next week.
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May 12 '18
Exactly! I wouldn't be able to breath in that moment..
I understand that he acts all cool up in front of Diyoza, would be a bad move not to, but boy wtf you thought she dead for 6+ years!!11
At least we get an "emotional hug", hehe.
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u/spiderhoodlum May 09 '18
One of the things that I really loved about this episode was how it cemented how much Bellamy and Clarke have changed since prior seasons. On the one hand, we have Clarke making the choice to shoot first (yes, it's true they threatened Madi) and deciding to string up some Eligius bait a-la-S1-Jasper; on the other hand, we have Bellamy deciding against a pre-emptive strike on ~300 people, a decision he was all for in season 3. I love that we're seeing this parallels but they're all so fresh!
I also loved seeing Clarke being Lincoln and Charmaine sort of a more savvy Clarke. I know that Clarke 100% understood why she was taken prisoner and tortured and as she decided to not speak, she was thinking of Lincoln. Granted, she was WAY worse at pretending to not understand English than Lincoln was, but ¯_(ツ)_/¯
P.S. I freaking love your write-up of Bellamy and Clarke's reunion.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
I just think Clarke's a terrible strategist/negotiator. From what we've seen, the "enemy" commander lady is fairly reasonable, especially with her guard guy. If they didn't kill those guys and taken them, prisoners, instead, they could've come to a peaceful resolution. Even after that fact, refusing to talk and cooperate seems like a terrible move as you can get information from them yourself and cooperating will more likely lead to more forgiveness on the already dead man and a possible deal to be made.
I'm curious where this will go as Bellamy brings a lot of leverage with his power move. Considering they just killed more of their people, they might be angry but there were gonna kill them to be fair. Evidently, there's gonna be conflict as it's a TV Show but from a logical standpoint, there's no reason they couldn't all mostly get along in real life.
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u/aaccss1992 May 12 '18
I think Bellamy and Clarke can work things out with the Eligius people too. The issue is just going to get worse when they use the rock mining devices to open the bunker and have to deal with Wonkru wanting Eden for themselves.
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u/havok0159 May 11 '18
My guess is we will be seeing a lot of parallels with season 1 and the early grounder interactions leading up to parallels with season 2 and the ark crash. I just hope everything doesn't lead to another global extinction event, I think 2 are plenty.
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u/TexasKru May 10 '18
I think the guy she was calling "good cop" will be the driving force between the groups, a parallel to Lincoln.
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u/spiderhoodlum May 10 '18
...or Finn. As Toni says in her photo recap, Zeke will either become a regular or tragically get killed somehow.
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u/-GregTheGreat- May 09 '18
As a member of PlatonicKru, I actually loved that reuinion. There was nothing explicitly romantic about it, it was just a badass scene in general.
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u/Condomonium May 11 '18
Interesting this thread is the only mention google has of 'PlatonicKru' lol
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May 09 '18
Agree, I’m PlatonicKru too and I was just antsy for someone from Spacekru to just hurry up and save Clarke. Also, to agree with the person above, I also felt it was lacking and quite overhyped from what the screener people said. I think their supposed hug from next episode will probably excite the shippers more than this lmao.
Then again, I think Clarke is so laser focused on Madi that there won’t be any romantic stuff for her this season, so.
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May 10 '18
Didn’t say that, but Madi and her safety will clearly be the priority for Clarke this season. If she has time to ‘date’ on top of everything that happens this season, then bravo, Clarke, I’d love your multitasking tips.
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u/pandaemoniumn May 09 '18
I’m PlatonicKru as well but I found it a bit lacking. They didn’t even let him (and the others) have a proper reaction to finding out she was still alive. I know this show moves super fast, but this was a moment 6 years in the making and they blew past it.
I’m surprised the shippers of all people are excited about it because it’s not news that Clarke is “pretty important” to her friends haha.
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u/mithavian May 10 '18
They all had time to react in the ride to the camp.... you don't drop to your knees and thank the Lord in front of a bunch of hostiles...haha
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u/tallgirlbeverly May 09 '18 edited May 10 '18
I was thinking the same thing when I watched it yesterday. This show is always really quick with moving through story lines, but I feel like they could have taken a small beat just to really have the impact land on Bellamy. I get that it was an urgent moment with Maddi, but it felt like a big build up to not a huge payoff.
I hope they dedicate some time in the next episode to actually show some proper reactions from SpaceKru, including a chance for Clarke to somehow talk to Raven.
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u/pandaemoniumn May 09 '18
Yeah exactly. I’m fine with the fast-paced action, but I need more time on emotional moments. They could have had SpaceKru all hear Clarke’s voice when they were listening in on the prisoners, which would give them more time to react. Then on earth we could still have the touching revelation that Madi knew who Bellamy was.
I can’t wait for Raven to find out! I love their friendship, too. And now I’m anxious about Bellamy’s reaction to finding out Raven is stuck in space after she lied to get him to go.
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May 09 '18
Well, he couldn't exactly hug her or do anything at the moment. I'm a shipper and I really loved that scene because, for the first time, he voiced that she was important to him. He doesn't do that often and it was touching to see it.
The scene in itself was really beautiful with the lights and shadows. I loved it.
Besides, we're getting a very special emotional hug next episode, when they are in the same with no guns pointed on them and no one around (that's what JRoth said).
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May 10 '18
Not only did he voice that she was important... he voiced that her life was worth 283 people.
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u/pandaemoniumn May 09 '18
But that was after he found out she was alive. They had the whole episode and plenty of opportunities for everyone to find out she was alive and have a decent scene dedicated to it. Instead it was a couple of seconds and then news about the bunker crowd. I was hoping for more of a reaction (and probably better lighting haha).
I’m glad y’all are happy with it though.
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u/Lexikh May 09 '18
I agree, we’re not entirely sure that the writers and going down the romantic route just yet
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u/bigdirkmalone May 09 '18
The line that got me: "Bellamy, Clarke knew you would come."
-Hell Yes
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u/keeplook May 09 '18
I really appreciate these "morning after posts", because here in "non-America", they usually go up just around the time I got around to watching the episode, so there is fresh discussion in it for us!
Loved this episode. Can't believe how good The 100 has become.
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u/aplaceatthedq May 09 '18 edited May 09 '18
So it's three episodes in and I already am in love with the main villain. Damn you Diyoza and your pragmatic leadership! Please don't die in the next episode.
I wish I had a better understanding of what exactly was Clarke's plan. Was she going to kill all of the prisoners? Did she hope if she killed a few they would just say fuck it and try and find a planet with less angry blondes on it? Even if I grant that this makes sense, surely hiding in the woods and waiting for them to let their guard down would make more sense. Pick them off one by one, maybe even make it look like an accident. I get that maybe she is panicking, but wouldn't she know that drawing them out into the open by torturing one of their friends would also give away her position. I like how most of the viewers are still a bit confused on why exactly the grounders tied up Jasper like that, while Clarke was apparently just taking notes. Also as far as Clarke knows spacekru might be dead and bunkerkru might be permanently trapped. I get that this show has always been morally grey at best, but is she really going to exterminate the last remnants of the human race besides her and Madi without even trying to have a conversation? It sort of feels like they really wanted a bunch of season 1 parallels. (anyone else hoping for a Zeke and Clarke gender-flipped Octavia cleans Lincoln scene? just me?)
Did we actually get an Emori Harper scene? What did we do to deserve such gifts? Harper does kind of ruin the moment by being that friend that is always asking when you are going to get back together with your ex. C'mon Harper.
On the whole this felt like the most "100" episode yet this season which brings me to...
A brand new hyperscientific method for grading episodes of television. I believe it was Aristotle who said that all literature could be devolved into four essential components. By breaking down the story structure into these components and assigning a numeric measure we can algorithmically determine the objective quality of any piece of drama. Since I forgot to perform this for the previous episodes (and/or I made this all up this morning) I will include all three here for comparison:
Season 5, Episode 1:
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Murder: For a premier this episode has surprisingly little murder. Mostly because everyone is already dead but still. Clarke murders a bird at the half way mark which I wouldn't normally include but she does try to hold a conversation with it first. Sexy Murphamy wrestling is not murder. Just under the wire though we get a nice double homicide at the very end. ♥♥♥
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Teen: Presenting a new challenge to this rating system most of our cast has aged out of their teen years. However just in time a new teenager Dawn Summers her way into existence. Such is the circle of life/CW television. ♥♥
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Woods: Again this episode looks like we are in for a major disappointment, but thanks to the aforementioned bird we do get a sudden uptick in the woods department about half way through. The rest of the episode takes place largely in the woods so overall pretty decent ♥♥♥
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Adventure: This episode is absolutely full of adventure. Clarke explores the brand new post post apocalyptic world now even more desolate and full of things trying to kill her. She explores a cave made of rubble until she manages to almost collapse it on herself. She eats bugs. Also Monty's cooking is always an adventure. ♥♥♥♥♥
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Combo bonus: The final scene features a teen (arguably a tween but we'll count it) murdering a dude in the woods followed immediately by a second and mostly gratuitous murder. This is Madi's first murder and everyone knows your first homicide is always an adventure. ♥♥♥♥♥
Total MTWA Scientific Score: 72%
Season 5, Episode 2:
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Murder: Now we're talking. Octavia murders so many people she looks like a slasher movie monster. The grounders are running around murdering people. The arkers try and murder all the grounders. Jaha gets murdered. The criminals murder each other. ♥♥♥♥♥
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Teen: Another new entry. Also Octavia is technically still supposed to be a teenager during most of the episode however increasingly difficult that is to believe. ♥
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Woods: Wow, zero woods. Whatever happened to Kane's bonsai tree? For all they know all trees on the surface are dead. You had one job, Kane. (no hearts)
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Adventure: You know when you were a kid and you showed up to one of those terrible chain restaurants but your family didn't get reservations and so they say it will be a half hour but it feels like forever and there are families sprawled out everywhere in the overcrowded waiting area, and your parents are just praying you don't embarrass them so they tell you it will be like an adventure? Almost starving to death isn't an adventure, mom. (no hearts)
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Combo Bonus: Octavia did do most of her murdering while still allegedly a teenager. Also Ethan seems to be pretty pro murder by the time he enters his teen years as is tradition. Still no woods, no adventure. (no hearts)
Total MTWA Scientific Score: 24%
Season 5, episode 3:
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Murder: Clarke is murdering people before the first commercial break. This is The 100 I signed on for. Spacekru discusses murdering everyone but settles for just the one. By the end Madi is in on the act as well. ♥♥♥♥
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Teen: Only Madi this week as Ethan is still in the bunker. ♥♥
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Woods: Still some action in space, but probably the most woods yet. ♥♥♥♥
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Adventure: Spacekru explores a mysterious spaceship. Also Madi and Clarke both meet new friends and friendship is truly the greatest adventure. ♥♥♥♥
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Combo Bonus: Madi kills two dudes while standing in what looks like a clearing but it is at least woods adjacent. Also it must be bring your daughter to work day because Clarke (early front runner for mother of the year) demonstrates proper technique to Madi on how to torture a dude to lure his friends out into the open so you can kill them too. Madi's look of concern says I've never had a mom before, but aren't you supposed to teach me about like ethics or something. ♥♥♥
Total MTWA Scientific Score: 68%
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u/TheArchitect05 May 10 '18
I would say her plan was to kill them off one by one. Use guerilla tactics, as she knows the land better than them. She be was probably going to keep doing this until she found a viable alternative
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May 10 '18
I also think she has in mind that one of their weapons can possibly free the BunkerKru.
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u/TheArchitect05 May 10 '18
I think it won't be their weapons but some equipment from their ship. They were a mining crew so they must have some equipment for digging.
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u/grumblepup May 10 '18
Harper does kind of ruin the moment by being that friend that is always asking when you are going to get back together with your ex.
Lol.
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u/GlasHopper May 09 '18
Tag yourself I'm "Sexy Murphamy wrestling"
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u/aplaceatthedq May 09 '18
I'm Madi's constant skeptical "I guess that's right" face during Clarke's murder lessons
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u/cocoapebbles13 May 09 '18
Given that this is nearly 7 years after they landed on the ground, I don’t think any of them are supposed to be teenagers anymore. Especially since most of the 100 were close to 18 back then. Otherwise nice grading my dude
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u/Lexikh May 09 '18
So the first four seasons were only one year’s time combined? Also how can we be sure of the ages of Bellamy/Raven since they weren’t actually part of the 100? I’m not disagreeing with you, I was just wondering about their ages yesterday and am wondering how we can know
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u/aplaceatthedq May 09 '18
yeah, I am only counting Madi and Ethan as the teens (and a bit for Octavia and Clarke in the flashbacks). They may be too young although I am assuming Madi is at least 13 because otherwise it would mean our lead got her ass kicked by a six year old and I'm not sure how you come back from that.
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u/Sir_P1zza May 09 '18
You should consider the quality of the murder in your scaling. Did major characters die? How logical and needed were the murders? How morally grey was it? Was it satisfying when it finally happened?
Also, what does MTWA stand for? Google says Mean Temperature of the Warmest Month which doesn't make sense at all.
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u/Kishara May 09 '18
Dammit.
They left Raven and Murphy up in space with the murderers. The Kish is not pleased with this development. I am so unhappy, I'm referring to my reddit avatar name in the third person. Please don't hurt our precious babies. I know this is The 100 and we have a weekly death quota. I accepted long ago that just by their existence, the characters on this show can die. But please. If you are going to kill them (which I always assume you will), at the very least let it be while they are all together fighting alongside each other. Not trapped up in space with the characters from Sons Of Anarchy.
Saving this comment for later when it turns out they were safe after all so I can say "See how silly I was?"
The most longsuffering part for me of The 100 has always been the various separations of the delinquents. I care about them and want them together fighting for each other and a better way forward for humanity. Please unite them and don't make me wait a whole season for that to happen.
Now as for Clarke? Seriously girl. Why not at least try to talk to people before you start staking them out and using them as murder bait? Did you not learn anything from when this was done to your people? Use your words!!!
Bellamy coming down to save Clarke was pretty neat. I say this with a long proven track record of not ever once shipping them as a romantic couple. I still don't, even though I have a great deal of affection for some that do.
Clarke has saved the delinquents so many times I have lost count. Now here is Bellamy able to return the favor in classic The 100 fashion, by threatening mass murder. I always appreciate a nice mass murder for good reason on The 100. Saving Clarke seems a decent one if I do say so myself. We know that these kinds of threats are always legitimate on this show. It is one of the things I really like about the writing. They don't usually shrink from following through.
apparently mods and sociopaths have a lot in common
Well...........yeah. :)
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u/bellaflecking May 09 '18
In the words of Diyoza... Bellamy and Clarke are still my favorite mass murderers.
I too hate when the delinquents are separated. And then their reunions are sometimes cut short because they're usually off saving the world. I think that's why I love spacekru so much, they're a slightly modified version of the remaining delinquents. I love how Bellamy asked Murphy for his opinion, how Emori told Murphy they make decisions together. It's going to be interesting when they're all back on earth. I wonder if Bellamy and Clarke will fall back into their leadership positions.
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u/spiderhoodlum May 09 '18
Not just any mass murder threats, one of killing approximately 300 people- classic!
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u/ElenaOcean May 09 '18
You know you've been here too long when you finish an episode and you immediately know what people will arguing about for the rest of the week, sigh.
I think though that Murphy is now in a position with Raven where they can probably be really helpful, I don't think it was coincidence having Murphy literally sit in the captain's chair. My heart genuinely fluttered when Bellamy asked him for his opinion too. There's something about the handsome captain and his quippy annoying sidekick who hates following orders that I truly relate to.
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u/spongs123 May 09 '18
" ...a heavenly chorus of squealing fangirls could be heard from space, undercut by the groans of PlatonicKru" lol! :-D
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u/Sir_P1zza May 09 '18 edited May 09 '18
Damn, it felt good to watch this show without buffering and 1080p, the advertisement breaks were pretty nice to catch some breath though.
This season has all been about the parallels but my favourite one is the comparison between hydrazine from S1 and this new fuel source. Both are a resource exclusive to the newcomers and can be used for weapons. I hope we get a cool name for it.
The fight scene of Echo, Bellamy and Raven was much better than Octavia's fight scene last episode. It really felt like the man was unstoppable with how much he was hit, he didn't go down with one sword slash while wearing armour.
It was pretty cheeky for them to quote Arthur Clarke since Clarke's name is based on him. Now I wonder what books were available to the Arkers, I wonder if one of the original astronauts had like 1TB of sci-fi books and fanfiction of random shows and the entire library of the Ark is build out of that.
Echo is really establishing her usefulness in adventure squad, she isn't bothered by silly things like emotions and constantly stays levelheaded.
If those prisoners who found spacekru just said something along the lines of "They came from a giant space tampon!" it would've been much better of five minutes for Clarke.
When thinking about the quote of the episode it was basically anything Murphy said+Clarke's which time.
All in all, I loved this episode, E1 sparked some discussion about survival and Clarke's crazy murder spree. E2 was interesting to discuss the justice system and how fucked the people in the bunker are, but this episode was the first one to advance the plot in a significant way and I loved it!
Edit: So does anyone understand how the timeline really works? AFAIK it's:
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2040-Launch of EligiusIV.
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2048-Humanity's not good, very bad day.
So if EligiusIII is launched to a two-star system it would most likely be Alpha Centauri A&B, which are 4,3 lightyears/4.068e+14 km away. Our current space program supports ~40,000 km/h using a chemical propulsion system. This would mean the prisoners have to be in the spaceship for over a million years before even reaching Alpha Centauri.
This article does state that using a nuclear thermal propulsion system they could reach over 100 times more powerful. If Eligius uses a nuclear system (which seems to be the case with Raven saying that every cell will explode if they'd use it) the ship would move at a speed of 4x106 km/h, which would mean it only takes 11,600 years before they reach the star system!
So unless they developed some other super awesome fuel source I doubt we'll see EligiusIII return any time soon.
But if we were to follow these numbers we can assume that EligiusIV moved at 4x106 km/h for seven years before turning around and making a hundred year long trip. 4e6x7x365x24 results in ~2,4528e11km. The distance between the sun and Neptune is 4,498e9km, so I wonder where the hell Eligius IV was going before they turned around.
Well trying to do the maths for this show is hard, I might've made a mistake somewhere while being confused about , and . in google.
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u/echoGroot May 10 '18
The science in the 100 is garbage in general and the timeline is about 3x too fast given the language evolution, etc. so that doesn't bother me too much, it's par for the course. What bothers me is that the Arkers didn't know about Eligius? There are interstellar colonies and no one thought - hey, we should try to get in contact with them at some point. Could be fun.
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u/mogwhy_ May 10 '18
For what it's worth, there's also Breakthrough Starshot, which will reduce the time it takes to around ~30 years. Admittedly, that's not manned but it's a start. If cryogenics is a thing, flying at high speed might not matter as much.
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May 10 '18
"They came from a giant space tampon!"
Hahahahaha. I just cracked the fuck up reading that.
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u/longarmofmylaw May 09 '18
Oh my God, what if everything Skykru ever knew about the world was based on some astronauts download of Ao3 fanfic?
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u/bcrowder0 May 09 '18
You call it a "subatomic leaf blower"
... when I saw it, I immediately thought "the thing that'll get wonkru out"
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u/raknor88 May 11 '18
It's likely a modified drill, so it will easily be able to clear the bunker doors. Except from the season 5 preview form the premier makes it look like the prisoners will be back in space when the bunker opens.
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u/dusty30 May 09 '18
Oh Murphy! Accidentally screwing himself over by deciding to stay with Raven, just as an eff you to his ex for trying to trade him in for raven before she even new there was an escape pod. I have a feeling Emori's words are going to come back to haunt her. His face when Raven told him there was no escape pod was a picture! I for one am happy at this turn of events as that means we'll get Murven stuck together! Hurrah! Fingers crossed for lots of Murven scenes. Only downsize is Murphamy only lasted for two episodes before getting separated. Boo. At least there was a sweet moment where Bell asked Murphy's opinion, though I'm not sure whether he did that just to be nice or if he definitely wanted to hear Murphy's thoughts.
Loved Echo, she's so cool and I love Madie, thank heavens she's not another annoying TV child.
Shooting first wasn't a particularly good move from Clarke, but I understand it. When heavily armed people invade your home and you have a child with you, instincts kick in. The differences between the delinquents and elegius are 1, the former were kids and 2. they weren't armed. despite that, interesting parallel to Lincoln. Love Zeke and the prisoners are interesting, especially Charmaine. I'm also intrigued by McCreary.
We got some interesting stuff about the prisoners taking over the elegius and having help from Zeke. I'm looking forward to learning more about them. There are so many questions that needs answering. One thing I noticed though was that it was the elegius 3 people who were given nightblood, so does that mean that these prisoners (from elegius 4) don't have it? They bleed red after all.
Btw, I loved the editing from Clarke running away on the ground to spacekru listening to it over the radio and thinking it was Octavia/bunkerkru.
Charmaine seem to be similar to Clarke. I think Clarke/Spacekru will align themselves with Bunkerkru first but switch allegiance later. I could see them reaching a deal with the prisoners; they'll help get bunkerkru out and in return the prisoners get to stay in eden. Then Octavia will break that agreement when she decides to take eden for wonkru and all hell will break loose.
Also, I guess we got our random Blake family fact; grandpa Blake had four PhD's! Great episode, the best so far.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
What instinct though? Did she think she could take them all on by herself? Why not at the very least take one(or both) of the original two guys prisoners so she gets information and leverage? Clarke is just a very poor strategist and you'd think she'd learn something after being in all those armed conflicts.
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May 10 '18
One thing I noticed though was that it was the elegius 3 people who were given nightblood, so does that mean that these prisoners (from elegius 4) don't have it? They bleed red after all.
That was my take away from what Zeke said. That Eligius 3 was given blood treatments to stop the radiation where they were going, but Eligius 4 didn't need it. So I'm guessing that they either were treated with something that wasn't black, or somehow weren't treated?
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u/Zerglinghunter May 09 '18
My Murphy.. You better make your ass to the ground. You didn't survive all this to die in space.
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u/LethalShade May 11 '18
I mean being stuck on a ship with one of the hottest and smartest girls on the show isn't all that bad. Let's see if he's got some game ;)
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u/ElenaOcean May 09 '18
Oh I didn't catch that about the two suns, I think you found next season's breadcrumb.
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May 09 '18
There will be a "really special emotional hug" (quoting Jason), when they're in the same room, with no one else around. So Bellarke is in the next episode, too.
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u/Tr1n1ty_1 May 09 '18
Elegis 3
This is just another mining ship, the ship which they used to get back to Earth orbit was Elegis 4
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u/ElenaOcean May 09 '18
I could have sworn we saw the Eligius Co. logo in this ep, did anyone get timestamp or a screen grab?
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u/wroche2 May 09 '18
Megalith = Charmaine Diyoza
Lt. Cutie = Zeke Shaw
Grubby MacBeanie = Paxton "Graveyard" McCreary
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u/yellowrosekasey May 09 '18 edited May 09 '18
If someone had told me over the break between seasons that Bellamy and Clarke's reunion scenes would involve Bellamy holding Madi's hand and holding a "best dad in the universe" coffee mug in the other, I never would have believed them.
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u/mike34h May 09 '18
So it seems to me like our beloved adventure squad will ally with the prisoners to some degree, and then Octavia and the grounders will screw it up (nothing new there). My only question is who’s side will Bellamy and co be on once that happens?
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u/Crack-spiders-bitch May 09 '18
Skykru certainly fucked negotiations up more often then the grounders. I also don't get this blind faith everyone has in prisonkru. Every one of them are murderers and they killed the whole crew on that ship. They're going to make a "deal" then double cross spacekru and onekru.
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u/Sir_P1zza May 09 '18
I would love it if Eligius was a bit more gray, for now it seems like choosing between two evils. I'd say adventure squad will work together with Shaw and peaceful people in the bunker (Kane, Niylah hopefully) trying to prevent all out war between crazy cannibals and sociopath.
In defense of Diyoza she said she was trying to overthrow a facist government, is she just really extreme and interpreting or is she right and US has gone to shit in the future.
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u/NotsocrazyGrey May 09 '18
As far as my memory goes back it was always skykru ruining it for everybody else.I think they're gonna be convinced Octavia is the villain and forget that Eligius is the true villain.
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u/EmbarrassedLight May 09 '18
I have two main thoughts so far that are a bit at odds with each other.
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I absolutely love the re-boot this season and how it's practically a different show. They're covering a ton of new ground (new sets, new storylines, new characters) while at the same time maintaining symmetry with the themes of previous seasons, creating a role reversal where the characters we know are the new "Grounders" and the Eligius villains are the "Skaikru"
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With that said, it's kind of a slow start building things up again since we have to catch up with 6 years of our main characters while also introducing the villains. We're 3 episodes in and I feel things have barely started. At the same time though, it still feels like they're moving too fast because you can't really cover 6 years of character development in a few episodes when the entire first four seasons was only like a year.
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May 10 '18
We will see a lot of flashbacks I will assume. (For example Emori pushing Murphy away 'cause he's "useless"/not helping)
I dont think anyone wants to have a Season full of the 6 years that passed just to witness the character development/what went down in that time.
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u/Watmanch May 09 '18
I feel the same way on point 2. On the first episode when they said "6 years later" I was disappointed. Like how can you skip 6 years ahead and keep things smooth? Guess it's going alright so far though
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u/SecretJoy May 09 '18
Yeah, I'm really hoping they don't screw up the character development too much. I feel like we're going to be getting some serious out of character moments...because PLOT.
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u/[deleted] May 12 '18
Lt. Cutie 😂😂