r/arrow • u/Rwings Boxing Glove • Nov 27 '17
Discussion [S06E08] - 'Crisis on Earth-X (2)' Live Episode Discussion
Episode Description for event: Barry and Iris's wedding brings the gang together, but things go awry when villains from Earth-X attack the ceremony. All of the superheroes band together with help from their super friends like Citizen Cold, The Ray, Felicity Smoak, Iris West and Alex Danvers to take on their most formidable villains yet. Earth's mightiest heroes – Green Arrow, Supergirl, The Flash and White Canary – lead their teams into battle to save the world.
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Nov 30 '17 edited Nov 30 '17
I hate how the writers rely on the 'idiot plot' trope so much just to push the story forward. Like why didn't they unmask Tommy as soon as he was captured? And strip him down/search him before he was thrown in a cel? Why didn't anyone with the guns in the first scene of the first episode just shoot? They rely on the idiot ball just to make certain characters look skilled or smart and they really don't have to.
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u/im10er Jan 30 '18
I'm also not happy with how this one is about Nazis as if they're 2dimensional evil. And they only mention Europe (a continent) and the US (country) as the only ones affected on Earth X. How ironic.
Not that it's their responsibility to make a statement or anything.
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Dec 01 '17
down/search him
You know that he broke out a fake tooth with a "Blausäure" (Cynacali) capsule to kill himself, right?
Like actual WWII soldiers had/did in case they got captured?
Its not like you check every prisoners tooths because you fear for that, even if they come from a WWII nazi earth and it was a good idea to use that.
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Dec 01 '17 edited Dec 02 '17
True. Still, their whole 'take prisoners and put them in the cell with all their gear and let them walk around and talk' has bit them in the ass many times before. They really needed to push all the unmasking reveals though.
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u/eduvina Dec 01 '17
It's really hard to make a complicated yet enjoyable plot. Unfortunately, they can't do it. I've accepted it a long time ago but I'm still hoping every episode they improve
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u/ShawnAceHall Nov 29 '17
Do I really need to say it? Yes. Yes, I do. Because I have not seen where anyone else has said it. What "it" is, is that this nearly unprecedented four-parter was TV at its worst. This show was bloated beyond reason with too many "stars" doing too many things, to too many people, including themselves. How unutterably boring can it get? And all in one (well, four) bloated, boring show(s)? Why do the writers feel the need to prop up the dying shows with crap like this in an effort to try to renew interest in the (nearly) dead shows? And in doing so, have kicked the Hell out of the emotional and storyline momentum that should have built to a mid-season peak right now in ALL of the shows, instead of derailing the train on the way toward the end of the season as they have instead done? GODDAMMIT, I hate money-grabbing, money-grubbing people who work so hard to keep the money flowing into their pockets, but disregard what anyone who watches any of the shows wants. What's more, whatever shows in this crap-fest that I DID like, are now mired in the muck with the shows that I didn't like. And I can assure the writers and producers that forcing me to watch shows that I don't like, just to see what happens to the people in the shows that I do like, is intensely annoying to the point of turning off all of the shows to wait for the next season...if I decide that I even want to watch ANY of the old, irrelevant shit shows any more. Perhaps it is time to move on to something new; something fresh, exciting, and relevant, like some of these shows used to be. Also, that way there is no emotional or cognitive dissonance from trying "to pick up where we left off" in the mid-season story arcs that are now shot to Hell. Yes, that is probably the only rational answer. I was never a fan of any of these comic books, anyhow. I only watched because some of the character profiles seemed interesting and, of course (these days), tortured. And emotionally tortured people can make for compelling, "must-see TV," but not for all one-hundred and twenty-three of them (just a wild-assed guess, but I bet I'm close!). No, when greedy TV people overreach in a bald-faced attempt to line their already-bulging pockets, it is time to call it quits. After all, NO ONE has enough time or energy to keep track of that many diverse, diverging storylines all in one week. Time to move on to see newer, fresher shows that are written and produced by poorer, hungrier writers and producers: the kind of people who DO care what the fans think, and what the fans want to see. Perhaps they could produce more shows like "Wynonna Earp," a corny, cartoonish, fun show that has horny, beautiful women in it who are smooching and "feeling up" each other. Yes, now THAT'S a fun show. More, please.
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u/Isketam Nov 29 '17
I never see such a female character in a TV series that manage to steal every crucial moments on a show as much as Felicity.
I can still tolerate her antics in Arrow alone but to drag it over in the crossover is just too much.
There should be another Earth like Earth-X, inhabitable but empty where we could round up all other 53 Felicities from another earths and send them there and never mentioned it again.
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u/Anubissama Nov 29 '17
No suprise I like Oliver the most when he is the Batman-light of the CW Universe.
-Why do you have a green kryptonite arrow?
-In case an evil you show up (also it goes really well with my colour scheme)
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u/oliverthegreenarrow Nov 29 '17
wow... so much hate here... and even though I will probably be killed for saying the following, I'll say it anyway. I am really happy for Oliver and felicity. Big Olicity fan. I hope we can now move on from their relationship troubles and go back to what makes this series awesome: Oliver putting arrows in bad guys.
P.S. Is it just me or does Oliver somehow always ends up on top of a van?
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Dec 01 '17
Im glad that the fans of Olicity are actually in the majority, otherwise the show would have been put down a loooong time ago. The haters are just, as always, the vocal minority.
Let them hate, we just enjoy our show with an awesome crossover :D
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u/Fortyseven Nov 30 '17
Those two were surprisingly focused on top of that van. Did they fight there the entire time? :D
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u/CheddarMcFeddars Nov 29 '17
Yo, I don't know why the writers make Felicity flip-flop so much. She's been doing it all series long. They've ruined her character.
Anyway, I enjoyed the crossover, but why the hell did Barry let Thawne get away? They could have locked him up somewhere.
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u/ShawnAceHall Nov 29 '17
I can't help it. I HATE fucking Felicity! She is such a ridiculous, nonsensical, cruel, unfeeling bitch! When Oliver asked her to marry him, instead of saying something KIND and LOVING to her supposed "soul-mate," she instead blasts him with her bitchiest cunt of a reply in front of everyone. She never, ever says what's going on, then just expects everyone to understand her anyhow, and, I guess, to have everyone to feel sorry for her without ever knowing why. What a fucking BITCH! I HATE HER! Why don't they just kill her off already, and then find a kind and loving woman for whom Olly can fall? The writers are ultimately to blame, of course, but a part like Felicity's needs an actress who doesn't have a constant, natural sneer and smart-ass look on her face all the time...that is, when she isn't snarling or yelling at everyone about everything. Jesus, what a cunt! DUMP HER!!!
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Nov 29 '17
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u/ShawnAceHall Nov 29 '17
OMG, that was the WORST! "WE'RE the Flash!" No you're not. You are a pushy, jealous, fame-stealer. What a HORRIBLE line. The writers suck.
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u/CincyCB Nov 29 '17
Arguably the best 3 hours and 57 minutes of any of the CW DC shows. I absolutely loved 99% of the crossover and thought it was absolutely terrific and the writers, actors, and everyone involved did nearly everything right.
Except the last 3 minutes. It wasn't completely awful I guess, but I did not like the ending marriage scene. I felt like Barry and Iris "official wedding" should've been more monumental. I'm not saying to do everything again like the first episode, but I would've enjoyed a short montage of some short showing them redoing the thing and then the ending scene of them saying I do and getting married. Although I think it could've been done better, it still wasn't awful and I enjoyed it.
The part that ruined it was Felicity and Oliver. Don't get me wrong I'm not one of those Olicity haters, I actually love Oliver and Felicity and contrary to popular opinion I think Felicity is a great character, but I think there was much better ways to make that ending happen in another episode. Obviously they didn't want to do the Barry and Iris wedding and then the Oliver and Felicity wedding as two separate things because it would be repetitive, but again I'm sure they could've thought of something better than that. Now what's the next Arrow episode going to be about? Them going back to Star city and said "oh yeah everybody, were married now"?
Those were the only problems I had with it, and at the end of the day it was an amazing crossover and some of the best television I've seen come from these DC shows. Great job.
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u/Eurynom0s Nov 29 '17
It's obviously hard to get too bitchy about what I'm about to say after the absurd Ollicity ending, but I thought it was really lazy writing even by Arrowverse standards to have Jax and Stein break up in the middle of the fight. Knowing that Garber was leaving after this season, it was telegraphing it from a mile away what they were setting up the second they agreed to split up.
The following Stein-related scenes were still extremely impactful, so it wasn't THAT big of a deal, but they did risk undercutting the impact with that setup and I wish they could have found a better excuse to have them un-Firestormed as a leadup to Stein getting shot.
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u/the_cunt_muncher Nov 29 '17
Jesus fucking christ Felicity can't even let Barry and Iris have their day, of course she has to make it about herself.
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u/DankMemetroid Nov 29 '17
This has been the worst crossover in the history of crossovers, maybe ever. Barry marrying his sister was gross but this was awful. Sad.
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u/Miss_Eliquis Nov 29 '17
Right at the end, I thought Earth X Oliver was still going to be alive and shoot one last arrow on Felicity. Not that I want Felicity to die, but wasn't there supposed to be a tomb with Felicity's name in the crossover?
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u/Eurynom0s Nov 29 '17
Barry should have finished the job that Thawne didn't, and stick his hand in her chest right then and there.
...maybe Thawne KNEW this was going to happen and spared Fefe as yet another means of tormenting Barry!
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u/GenePrestigious6064 Oct 14 '24
Arrow season crisis