r/homeland • u/dysgraphical • Feb 25 '17
Discussion Homeland - 6x06 "The Return" - Episode Discussion
Season 6 Episode 6: The Return
Aired: February 24, 2017
Synopsis: Carrie follows a lead; Saul meets an old friend; Keane takes a stand.
Figured we start a new discussion thread since it aired early everywhere else!
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u/SawRub Feb 26 '17
I was so glad that the FBI guy was going to be an ally, since I love it when people with adversarial relationships are forced to team up, but then he died :(
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u/Niggnacious Feb 26 '17
I want to know if that guy got the job or not. I liked his passion.
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u/desepticon Feb 25 '17
Do we still think Dar is behind all this? I think he may be a red herring. For all the crap he's pulled, it has always been in the interest of US security. I'm not so sure he would go so far as organize an attack on America to further that agenda. His play seems to have been to make that Iranian official tell the Israelis and Saul about a nonexistent nuclear program. He wants our government to take a hard line against Iran. I don't think he needs to orchestrate an attack by some supposed lone-wolf to...do what exactly? Get more funding? I don't know. I think theres something else going on here.
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u/PurePerfection_ Feb 26 '17
Gotta love how chill Frannie is about the whole thing. Carrie's lecturing her about how just because something scary happened at the house, it doesn't mean the house is scary.... and Frannie just wants to know where Quinn is.
Speaking of their house... why the fuck would they go back there after Carrie's neighbor murdered Conlin and chased her through the crime scene? She's worried enough to sit up in Frannie's room with a stolen Glock all night, but not to pay for a hotel room?
And Max is... installing a security system in the morning? They didn't already have one?
EDIT: Also, I really thought if we got a Bellevue episode of Homeland, it'd be the other way around.
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u/Mr_Evil_MSc Feb 25 '17 edited Feb 26 '17
"Tell me what you want me to say and I'll say it."
That moment you realize you've cut so many corners your circular peg won't fit the square hole in front of you.
Still, I love the way this show twists characters perspectives and plays on cliches to throw off the audience. FBI guy is going to come through, and probably get whacked for doing his job right.
Edit 1. - first part correct.
Edit 2. - this would be more fun live...
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u/datlinus Feb 25 '17
That was another outstanding episode. The tension reminds me of the excellent second half of season 4. Man, I wish all the other episodes just leaked right now.
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u/standingfierce Feb 26 '17
That Asian guy Conlan was talking to is probably not going to have a very successful career in intelligence.
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u/zbf Feb 26 '17
Its nice to see Astrid again. Im hoping she someone gets Quinn back to his former self.
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u/Toussant Feb 26 '17
Great acting from the informant (Asad?). The way he was desperate for protection, then looking at the photo to give his honest assessment after being cussed out.
Looks like gub'ment, man, looks like you. Nice shock reaction from Conlin then quickly getting it.
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u/Praetor192 Feb 26 '17 edited Feb 26 '17
I liked much of this episode, but it irked me that Conlin (FBI guy) was such an obvious redshirt. Annoying when you see a character with critical information go all lone-wolf without sharing data or anything and then getting bodied/made to look like a suicide, you could see it coming from a mile away. Weak way to develop the plot.
Smart people in situations like that, especially FBI agents who know better, would have some sort of dead man's switch or data backup, or shared information with someone they trusted. And why didn't Carrie just shoot that guy in Conlin's house, or at least phone the police right away after finding him dead? Why doesn't she call Saul or other CIA contacts and pass along what she knows? Seems like she's just keeping herself in danger, because she's the only one with valuable information -- disseminating it would take the target off her back.
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u/Niggnacious Feb 26 '17
When Conlin said he wanted to meet up with Carrie to discuss, I knew he gon' die.
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u/blahyawnblah Feb 27 '17
Carrie's visit to Peter at Bellevue pretty closely mirrors his visit to her in the pysch ward in 3x02
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u/EasternShine Feb 25 '17
My BP started going up by the end of this. So glad Nina Hoss is back though
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u/Nobody1976 Feb 25 '17
I really dont like this lone wolf stuff by that bomb building/FBI agent killing guy. I mean come on if you can do major operations just by yourself without even a team why do intelligence agencies have thousands of people and large teams of backup for any operation? Just look at our very own show here and how Astrid works together with at least those two guys who took Quinn out of the hospital and probably more.
Even in some kind of black ops or unofficial or even just private operation you would work together with some people you trust. But that guy does the observation, taking care of the truck and killing the FBI agent all by himself? At least nobody else was seen. For a decent observation action over any length of time alone you would need at least a few people to follow others and watch them 24/7.
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u/MobbDeepFan Feb 26 '17
This episode goes to show how much a director/cinematographer can increase its quality.
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u/WandersFar Feb 27 '17
Fuck yeah, Astrid!
She got her own exfil team into New York, right after a terrorist attack? Damn impressive. Similar to how she got German intelligence to get Peter out safely after Pakistan.
God she is so badass. I love her.
Meanwhile, Carrie finally realizes what an idiot she’s been for not trusting Quinn all along. And Quinn bites her! Ha. Richly deserved. And she even tells Conlin that Quinn’s realized just how much she’s fucked him over, so maybe she’s realizing that, too.
Not that I expect any personal growth from her. I mean, I’d love to be pleasantly surprised, but I’m not counting on it. All I could think during that scene at Conlin’s house was how much better off she would’ve been with Quinn watching her back. She just takes him for granted so damn much, and now Astrid’s stepped in to put his interest first for once and I couldn’t be more pleased.
Thinking back to last season, Astrid was also appalled when Carrie told her Quinn had been missing for well over a week (I think it was nine days?) and Carrie had done bupkis to try to find him, she was so tied up with the Allison-Russian plot. I just love that she’s come in to save the day, or at least save Peter…
Okay, I’m just repeating myself now.
I like the FSB guy. I’d like to see more interactions with him and Saul, though at least now Saul has the proof that Dar’s been snaking him, and the NY Station Chief Mercedes is likely in on it.
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u/Hocaro Feb 27 '17
It's a small detail, but I really like the shot of Carrie opening the gate at Conlin's house. The latch resembled two x's, with one x being left in the shot. The eerie elevator scene and the shots of Conlin triggering the sensor lights didn't leave much for interpretation. The cinematography and symbolism was a nice touch.
Viewers that seem off-put about the most recent Carrie/Quinn interactions should rewatch earlier seasons. When Quinn visits Carrie in the psyche ward during Season 3, he presses Carrie for information without fully realizing how unstable she was.
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u/squirmdragon Feb 25 '17 edited Feb 26 '17
I was anxious about that woman who drove Keane to New York.
Especially when she said, "How many times in your life are you going to be alone with the president?"
I expected her to say, "Never again" and swerve the car or something. Anyone else get weird vibes from that lady?