The Six Thatchers: Post-Episode Discussion Thread (SPOILERS) - Reddit

[u/GoFlight]

[u/threegarridebs]

Just realized that it's weird that Sherlock didn't know John was cheating (or thinking about cheating) on Mary. Deducing a cheating spouse is practically one of his favorite deductions. And if he did know, seems like Sherlock would have confronted John about it.

[u/BitByADeadBee]

-who is E and what relevance will she bear?

-Norbury quoted Moriarty

-Go to hell Sherlock - didn't he say he'd meet Moriarty there?

-Save John Watson - maybe Mary worked for Moriarty (like in TAB) and she knows he's going after John?

[u/nazakar]

Next episode: Mary's not dead, mycroft is pregnant and james moriarty is watson's brother

[u/FireTails11]

Can we go back to the days where the episode would focus on one case. Mystery, intrigue and hilarity would ensue and Sherlock would solve that one case in a charming act of genius and wit.

[u/theblackpeacock]

That moment when you read all the comments and can't make any sense of them and suddenly realize that you were watching the Sherlock special "Abominable Bride" while the rest of the world was actually watching the first episode of Sherlock.

[u/uluviel]

I'll need to watch it again before I can form a proper opinion because I spent most of the episode going, "ok, when's the 'it was all a dream' reveal happening?" because it seemed so disjointed and weird, especially the editing.

Mary dead - rather expected, though I thought she'd outlast episode 1. Could have sworn she was in a scene with Culverton in the second trailer but I went back and it turned out she wasn't, so maybe she's gone for good. Guess only Sherlock can survive being shot in the chest.

Baby still around - huh. Wasn't expecting that.

Thought there'd be more Moriarty, but I guess they're keeping that for episode 3.

"Amo" - Does this tie in with the "I love you" Sherlock says in the second trailer?

John's cheating - we'll hear about this again (otherwise what was the point of including this?) The woman was sitting in front of a poster of Culverton Smith the last time we saw her, that probably wasn't a coincidence. She's involved with Culverton somehow.

Final thought - how were the reviews all so positive!?

ETA: also, really disappointed this didn't tie in with the Six Tatchers entry on the blog. That was sloppy, considering the blogs are supposed to be canon and were actually mentioned in the episode.

[u/KarlKastor]

I bet the woman John was texting is connected to Moriarty.

[u/WhiteHimself]

The Watson balloon deflated in the end.

[u/NuclearPissOn]

The best part was the little mystery at the start which got all of 5 minutes of screen time.

[u/-Dandere-]

What was that at the end with 'Go to hell Sherlock' ??

[u/favsiteinthecitadel]

Anyone else pissed off about John's affair? I really hate this plot line, especially when it feels out of character.

I think if they had not established Moriaty had planned something, this episode would not have felt so underwhelming.

[u/jerzerk]

It's kinda weird that the series you get to watch every two years has fillers

[u/nidsmotherfucker]

Remember when Sherlock could work on a case and it wasn't directly tied into someone he knew

[u/Maukeb]

It's like they tried to remember what made season 1 great, and decided it must be overlays.

[u/riyten]

Someone else has mentioned the water symbolism but there was a whole lot of red/occult imagery here as well. Off the top of my head:

• "You can't be both the Antichrist and the devil", John says to Mary

• There's a flashback scene featuring a girl [edit: this is actually childhood Sherlock]in red wellies and a red setter dog.

• When Sherlock realises its the receptionist, he's on Vauxhall Bridge (painted red) with a red life ring and a red London bus in the background.

• John is represented by a red balloon.

• John and Mary have new red wallpaper, "To mask an old smell" according to Sherlock's thoughts.

• Their daughter is called Rosie.

• John's mistress, E, is a red head and calls herself a vampire.

• That whole episode with a bloodhound.

• Mycroft wears a red tie and pocket handkerchief.

• Sherlock confronts Mary in a church. Also Mary and John are both biblical names.

• And of course, the "Go to hell" line after the credits.

I'm probably going too deep here. But I think there's definitely something about the choices between water and (hell)fire. The denouement in the aquarium followed by a cremation for example. Or Rosie's baptism, featuring holy water. I'm not quite Sherlock enough to piece it together but there's something going on there.

Also, Mary is definitely not dead, sorry. Listen to her wording on the DVD: "When I'm gone, IF I'm gone..."

[u/[deleted]]

I guess Mary read the script and decided to throw herself in front of that bullet...

[u/laingc]

WTF? Did John really cheat though, that's my question.

[u/Saeleth]

OKAY! What is up with the Water Theme? So much water this episode.

[u/JackVS1]

What the fuck did the old Ammo woman do again?

[u/[deleted]]

First time I've been really disappointed with Sherlock. They didn't even seem like the same characters.

[u/defjamvienetta]

That's a long and maudlin setup for two men and a baby.

[u/zombieatemyhead]

I honestly waited for Moriarty to do the Nagini thing like in Deahtly Hallows and jump out of the old lady.

[u/GuiltyCynic]

Not impressed with this first episode. Seemed all over the place.

• I disliked the whole 'Mary is a secret assassin' storyline in the first place, but somehow I don't feel as though that storyline has ended despite her death.

• I feel like the coincidence of the dead kid in the car and the bust being broken is a little too unbelievable (unless they come back to this later somehow).

• Sherlock should have looked up where the Thatcher busts were made much sooner. It was immediately obvious (since no other Thatcher related items were destroyed, and the busts appeared hollow when broken) that someone was looking for something hidden inside the busts. Seems like something he'd have immediately clocked onto in previous episodes - this is the first time I've felt as though they dumbed down Sherlock to suit a plot point.

[u/Russell_Ruffino]

I'm really not getting this USB thing.

So all 4 members of AGRA had a USB with everyone's aliases etc on it. And this stops them betraying each other?

If someone could explain the benefit of any of this to me I'd be grateful.

So what do they do if just one of them gets captured and doesn't have time to hide?

Also I thought this was a pretty weak episode. Can it please go back to him solving one big case per week.

[u/GimmeCat]

Ah, so the traitor was you all along! Mrs... person... we've never met before. Who... what was your name again??