r/SubredditDrama • u/[deleted] • Dec 23 '16

WEEK LONG argument over Hillary Clinton's cabinet picks and who's behaving worse in /r/truereddit.

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u/ParamoreFanClub Dec 23 '16

Why are people still using Hilary to justify trumps actions

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

because the other option is trying to justify Trump's actions

I wonder how irrelivent Hillary has to be before Trump's supporters shut up about them and start holding their own guy accountable

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u/larrylemur Dec 23 '16

Well considering some people were trying to blame Obama for 9/11, I'm guessing relevancy doesn't enter into it.

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u/khanfusion Dec 23 '16 edited Dec 23 '16

This conversation happened just this morning. Some, if not most, of his supporters really are just stupid.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

I mean, just yesterday I was in a thread about Trump wanting to expand America's nuclear capabilities.

Of course someone wanders in all "yeah well Hillary specified the US' nuclear response times on TV"

Abandoning nuclear disarmament = talking about things you can google. This is 2016.

I think this is just gonna be forever. It's gonna be like "Trump and his redhats annex Mexico, build 20ft razor wire walls around each house" and someone will pipe up with "yeah well she didn't finish her whole taco that one time"

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

Of course someone wanders in all "yeah well Hillary specified the US' nuclear response times on TV"

That's is one of the things that really gets under my skin. In this case, someone is trying to justify Trump's action by using the "two wrongs make a right" argument.

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u/suto Dec 23 '16

talking about things you can google

But these people don't know how to google. That's why they believe things Trump says.

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u/myassholealt Dec 23 '16

I don't know if it's possible for them to hold him accountable. I was just in a thread where one guy said Trump never called for an arm's race, though those words were literally in Trump's tweet, then the redditor followed up by saying Trump said that just to sound tough about something Obama started, so it's not even Trump's idea or responsibility.

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u/waiv Dec 24 '16

His followers are the most retarded and fanatical group that I have ever seen.

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u/Realtrain Dec 23 '16

because the other option is trying to justify Trump's actions

For a lot of people, Clinton was the only reason they voted for Trump.

More people seemed to dislike Clinton than actually like Trump. (And it went the other way too.)

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u/Choppa790 Dec 23 '16

I think the worse thing has been making people think their votes do not matter or affect anything. I really wished we made better arguments about democracy. It's very clear votes do matter, and participation is important, given how hard republicans try to block voting rights.

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u/Mistuhbull Dec 23 '16

I just hope Grandma Healing Crystals is proud of herself.

Clinton lost Michigan by 11k votes, GHC got 50k.
Clinton lost Wisconsin by 27k votes, GHC got 30k.

She still would have lost the election, since she lost PA, but still.

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u/dotpoint90 Dec 24 '16

Why is it the green's job to campaign for Hillary now?

Democrats put themselves in this situation, blaming Jill Stein is just a way for you to avoid reflecting on your own failures.

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u/realclean Dec 25 '16

So she had no meaningful effect on outcome the election. Also, Michigan had 75k blank presidential votes. These people put in the effort to go to the polling place and wait in line, but still disliked the candidates enough to not write any names in.

Jill Stein is the definition of a non-factor. Your anger and blame are misplaced.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

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u/UncleMeat Dec 23 '16

No that was just to continue her relevancy. The Green Party raised a lot of money for that effort and all money beyond the required amount went straight to their coffers.

If Stein was serious she would have been campaigning in liberal states to push the narrative left rather than shitty on Clinton in close states.

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u/DumNerds Dec 24 '16

Stein's a moron and so is anyone who voted for her, now the enviornment is fucked

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

all money beyond the required amount went straight to their coffers.

Even more important, they received a ton of donor information so they can hit them up again next presidential election when they try to spoil the race again.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

That's a load of crap. Many might've been swayed not to vote because of Hillary, but they don't all of a sudden abandon all their values and vote for the guy with polar opposite ones.

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u/polishprince76 Dec 24 '16

You underestimate how effective the Hillary hate machine is. Union vote, which is always a very strong democratic bloc, was the lowest for the left in a very, very long time. I'm a union steelworker and I heard every Hillary conspiracy theory repeated as truth at me. They didn't care who they were voting for, as long as it was not Hillary.

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u/sisyphe Dec 23 '16 edited Dec 24 '16

I have no idea how widespread it was, but some far-left democrats did indeed switch to Trump.

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u/PopeFrant Dec 24 '16

Its not. People believed a completely fabricated mix of Republican koolaide and sexism that lead them to think Clinton was the devil.

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u/Realtrain Dec 23 '16

That's a load of crap. Many might've been swayed not to vote because of Hillary, but they don't all of a sudden abandon all their values and vote for the guy with polar opposite ones.

I'm not talking about Democrats, I'm talking about independents.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

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u/puedes Dec 23 '16

If you think Harambe went to heaven, you don't know the real Harambe

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u/MysicPlato Dec 25 '16

Approximately January 2025 would be my guess.

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u/LukaCola Dec 23 '16

You ever read Animal Farm? Remember when Napoleon drove out Snowball and that was the last we ever saw of Snowball, but certainly not the last we heard of him? As Napoleon used his tarnished name to blame him for near everything, even things he had done directly.

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u/jinreeko Dec 23 '16

Happens in 1984 as well with the original co-founder of the Party (though it's not clear if he's real or not)

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

Spoiler alert! It sucks!

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u/LukaCola Dec 23 '16

Dammit Archer!

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u/AskMeForFunnyVoices Dec 23 '16

I know what an animal farm is, Lana

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u/ViceAdmiralObvious Dec 23 '16 edited 21d ago

The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.

Include trees familiar brave sort hurry enjoy

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u/randomsnark Dec 24 '16

thanks vice admiral

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u/ParamoreFanClub Dec 23 '16

Damn animal is relevant I should read it again

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u/saturninus Dec 23 '16

It's not really applicable to 2016. Good novella though it would be nice if the horizons of the political novel on Reddit expanded beyond Orwell and Huxley.

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u/yonicthehedgehog Dec 23 '16

btw i suggest you read this underrated book 1985, it's scary how much it parallels our society

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u/whobang3r Dec 24 '16

So like how everything has been Bush's fault for 16 years?

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u/PopeFrant Dec 24 '16

That's got to be the one George Orwell reference on reddit that actually makes sense and demstrates that you've actually read a book.

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u/Donkey_Hobo Dec 23 '16 edited Dec 23 '16

One of the reasons I posted this drama was that it wasn't a Trump supporter versus a Hillary supporter (that's been done). This was two Hillary supporters fighting. The argument was barely about politics. It was more like "Dude, you're kind of being an aggressive asshole" vs. "Did you just say I was being aggressive? Fuck your fucking face to death you fucking shitbitch. I'm mature, Strawman!"

Also this thread had no upvotes or downvotes for the majority of it when I first posted. So you all are a bunch of pissers.

I fucking love being Canadian.

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u/dwcmwa Dec 24 '16

This was two Hillary supporters fighting.

This just made it 10x better.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

I'm with you here, that JimmyHavok guy was being kind of an ass. I'm with the other dude on this one - there are a lot of Clinton supporters who act like she can do no wrong. And I say this as a Clinton supporter myself.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

So, in the event that in 2018 and Trump may or may not have dive-bombed America, will they say "Worse under Hilary?"

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

Its all they've got.

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u/DumNerds Dec 24 '16

They literally have nothing else except "b-b-but shillary!".

; Fun fact: This is the Russian political establishments favorite way to deflect blame is to redirect blame towards another party (usually the US)

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u/caiada Dec 23 '16

White Nationalism is a hard ideology to commit to.

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u/jerkstorefranchisee Dec 23 '16

It's all they've got

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u/AnimatronicJesus Dec 23 '16

Because it's the only way to keep pretending half of Americans are completely braindead

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u/jerkstorefranchisee Dec 23 '16

Have you been to America

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u/Thurgood_Marshall Dec 24 '16

singasongofsixpins is a bad philosophy poster and I have them at +6 in RES. That's not what they're doing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

Because a significant amount of Americans preferred Trump over Clinton enough to get Trump elected. And the people who didn't have a bad habit of treating Trump the way Republican supporters treated Obama.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

It's possible for both sides to think the other elected a bad president, and for only one of those sides to be right.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

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u/ParamoreFanClub Dec 23 '16

I personally liked her as a candidate and would have voted for her over most people. But I'm also a person who likes politics and the game you have to play so I understand her better than most people and can relate to her in that way. But our opinions of her shouldn't matter anymore she lost and has sort of "retired" and isn't president. Our opinions on her are different but I can understand the whole dislike of Hillary.

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u/shitty_sub_alt Dec 23 '16

Cut and pasting entire Death Grips lyrics is something I haven't seen before in a political argument.

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u/Deutschbury Dec 23 '16

It's something I hope to see again, though

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u/CVance1 Dec 24 '16

It would certainly liven things up

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u/Donkey_Hobo Dec 23 '16

I really like this drama because it starts out pointless and devolves from there.

EDIT:

Why are you using quotes for words I didn't use?

That's how you know this is going down hill. :D

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u/AskMeForFunnyVoices Dec 23 '16

Hey this argument has long since devolved into noise sounds but dammit I NEED to have the last word

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u/Lolagirlbee Dec 23 '16

Well I am a dom. I'm gonna put on my leather and cat ears and tell you to pet a golden retriever.

This might be my favorite non-sequiter I've ever encountered on the Internet. Not only is it outrageously off-topic, but it is so utterly ridiculous that you can't really help but laugh. No wonder these two seem to be having such a difficult time nailing down exactly what a strawman actually is.

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u/EnigmaticStain Dec 23 '16

In the true version of Reddit, Hillary won the election and is now forming her administration. We're just an alternate timeline.

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u/milesftw Dec 23 '16

this is truly amazing. I do not think I have ever seen a comment chain of actual 'discussion' go on for this long between so few people. fucking hilarious

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u/Heroshade Dec 23 '16

Don't have a link but I think there was one that went on for months. It went on until the thread was too old to comment in.

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u/milesftw Dec 23 '16

fucking baffling. I must say the internet continually shows that there are an endless number of people that are never going to admit they are wrong, and above all else care more about arguing then actually coming to a resolution over their argument.

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u/downvotesyndromekid Dec 23 '16

This might be a record winning perpetual sarcasm machine. How did you even find it, op. Have you been silently watching the beasts grapple from a nearby bush these past weeks?

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u/Donkey_Hobo Dec 23 '16

I save links where it looks like people are going to fight for a while. I kinda forgot about this one and just recently went back to it.

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u/Tahmatoes Dec 24 '16

The popcorn whisperer.

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16 edited Dec 26 '16

Wow, this is whatever the asshole equivalent of a perpetual motion machine would be.

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u/Dreamerlax Dec 24 '16

Am I living in an alternate dimension where Clinton won?

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u/PopeFrant Dec 24 '16

I fucking wish

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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '16

Holy shit, I'm a Clinton supporter but that JimmyHavok guy was just being unreasonable. And kind of a dick to boot.

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u/DingoLingo2 Dec 23 '16

Because Emmanuel Goldstein is played out.

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u/melatonia Dec 25 '16

Just for funsies, let's see who can name a member of Congress.

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u/goatsareeverywhere Dec 23 '16

Aaaand it ends with someone pissing in the popcorn. How anticlimatic.

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u/Tahmatoes Dec 24 '16

Have you reported them to the mods?