r/OutOfTheLoop • u/[deleted] • Oct 13 '16
Answered Why is Russia telling all Russians abroad to go home?
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u/philo_the_middle Oct 13 '16
I think this is getting blown out of proportion. The Sun (tabloid out of UK) reported it, and then Fox News cited The Sun as its source (again, a tabloid). Apparently Putin did order citizens in Turkey to leave the country amid rising tensions in the area around Syria.
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u/Arpit_B Oct 13 '16
Sun is a terrible source. It's a cancer of a newspaper.
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And rectal cancer. They say it's where the Sun doesn't shine, but they do have their heads up their asses.
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u/tonyflint Oct 13 '16
The Sun (tabloid out of UK) reported it, and then Fox News cited The Sun as its source (again, a tabloid).
Fox and The Sun are owned by the same MOFO.
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u/C_stat Oct 13 '16 edited Oct 14 '16
The S*n picked it up and Fox picked up the S*n... OK \thread... I think this answers all further questions.
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u/DaGetz Oct 14 '16
Apparently Putin did order citizens in Turkey to leave the country amid rising tensions in the area around Syria.
Sounds like its a travel warning very similar to the US state department warning
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u/xxAnge Oct 13 '16
I think it's fake stuff. Some of the articles I've seen on it are either written by a "tyler durdan" or the website has other articles like "girl wears too sexy of clothing to join isis" or various other article titles.
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u/notfunnybutdanish Oct 13 '16
Got any links? This is the first I've heard.
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u/black_flag_4ever Oct 13 '16
Most of these stories are vague. I was hoping maybe someone on Reddit could provide more insight. It's surprising how much info can be obtained on here.
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u/eudamme Oct 13 '16
You know the daily mail is a tabaloid, right?
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u/HeartyBeast Oct 13 '16
That's being extraordinarily kind to the Mail. It lives through selling fear.
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u/DeadeyeDuncan Oct 13 '16
Calling that toxic haterag a tabloid is a disservice to tabloids.
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u/PrivilegeCheckmate Oct 13 '16
You know the daily mail is a tabaloid, right?
Everyone knows the extra a makes it suckier.
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u/black_flag_4ever Oct 13 '16
Yes, but there have been vague stories about this on cable news and on the radio. I hope its fake.
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u/Flu17 Oct 13 '16
You have to understand that news stations often read tabloids too. If a tabloid's your only legit source online, it's fake.
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is any source you dont like a tabloid?
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u/eudamme Oct 13 '16
I want you to go to r/unitedkingdom and post an article from there.
Just, trust me. It's horrendous.
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u/madmaxturbator Oct 13 '16
the daily mail is literally a tabloid. that's the format it's in.
also, it's a shitty source.
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u/notfunnybutdanish Oct 13 '16
Any reputable sources? The missiles in Kaliningrad have been there before as part of exercises, the nuclear treaty has to do with Russia Finding that the US is not honoring it. I don't know about the visit to France. And do they give any source for the claim that officials are ordered home?
Edit: u/yourresidentrussian gives a good response as well.
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u/kimb00 Oct 13 '16
You probably shouldn't get your news from the daily fail. Here's a list of headlines that should give you a decent indication on their journalistic standards.
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u/kimb00 Oct 13 '16
Do we consider the Huffington Post not a tabloid itself?
You keep using that word... I don't think it means what you think it means. HuffPo is definitely biased/left leaning, and I wouldn't consider them a bastion of journalistic integrity, but no, it's not a tabloid.
There are very few articles I can even get through from them.
Well, clearly this time you didn't even try before dismissing them. I like how you were willing to put value in the Daily Mail, but outright dismissed HuffPo without even looking at the article. IF you had actually looked at the article, you would've quickly realized that it was a convenient way of linking a bunch of ridiculous Daily Mail headlines, and not because of the article itself.
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u/UrbanToiletShrimp Oct 13 '16
They taught me about this in 9th grade history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism
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u/LavastormSW Oct 13 '16
Because the Flotilla is about to launch a war on the Geth to retake their homeworld.
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u/_The-Big-Giant-Head_ Oct 13 '16
The usual made up fake stories from the Daily Mail. They seem to have run out of BS about ISIS, Muslims and Immigrants that day.
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u/rambi2222 Oct 14 '16
Hmm, they usually have Labour and Princess Diane to fall back on at times like this.
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u/Han_Zulu Oct 14 '16
Sorry? I am a Russian-Canadian dual citizen living in Canada and this is the first time I am hearing about this being done to Russian citizens, I know for sure that this policy is nothing new and it was huge in the post USSR years but I thought that today it was only for relatives of government employees and famous actors and writers who have been affected by this. I really don't think this has anything to do with Russia wanting to promote an anti West view among its citizens living abroad and more about its shrinking work force due to its population slowly decreasing, if it is an attempt to promote an anti Western views, I am surprised the Russian Government has attempted to try and change peoples views by raising taxes, cause thats a really piss poor and stupid attempt that no government would be stupid enough to try.
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u/Han_Zulu Oct 14 '16
Can confirm, dual Russian-Canadian citizen, still waiting on a letter from Putin asking me to comeback.
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u/hughk Oct 14 '16
OTOH, I know people who can't travel now outside the country without first getting permission because their spouse has a govt job.
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u/Deckardzz Oct 20 '16
From what I heard, it's only for the children of people in high office of Russian government, and it's because they make Russia look bad while Russia espouses rhetoric about how horrible the U.S. is. Apparently, the top political figures in Russia having their children go to college in the U.S. shows a hypocrisy.
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u/ConquistaToro Oct 14 '16
US and Russian relations are in a bad spot. Could be a prelude to some rough times coming.
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u/kystien Oct 13 '16
i realize now that no one here saw the CNN Article that stated clearly that Russia and the USA are in open conflict. Not surprising.
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u/fyreNL Oct 13 '16 edited Oct 13 '16
Their 'come back home' policy has been something they've been doing for years now.
In eastern Europe and central Asia, there's still a significant amount of ethnic Russians. In certain countries. For example, the Czech republic or Turkmenistan, this number is quite low, but in the Baltic and Ukraine, the ethnic Russian population is significant.
It's more or less a patriotic gesture or something. In case you're wondering, programs like these are quite common. For example, Germany has a similar program.
This is a sort-of aftershock of the end of the USSR, with the restoration of national identity, but also a bid to attract a young workforce. It's no secret many countries in Europe are suffering a huge decline in birth rate (although, its been getting better. Russia recently had its first growth in population since 1990, for example) and as such can make do with a foreign workforce.
Also, the resurgence of nationalism also plays a minor part in this.
Like i mentioned, this is nothing new. They've been doing so for years, and they're not the only ones doing so. Perhaps the media only recently decided to cover it so much is because it fits the narrativeof current problems and events.
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u/realister Oct 13 '16
Russia is slowly heading back to communism with all the censorship included. This means that Russian schools are the best in the world why u sending your son to London? Russia is better than London are u not a patriot? Etc. just communism coming back.
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u/ROLLtrumpinTIDE Oct 13 '16
Id say it has more to do with the escalating tensions between the US and Russia. If things do escalate it would be better not to have your children abroad.
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u/realister Oct 13 '16
Nothing would happen to their children US are not savages like Russia and would not jail kids etc. Only USSR would do stuff like that.
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u/ROLLtrumpinTIDE Oct 13 '16
You do know the USSR no longer exists right? I know your claim is that they are returning to Communism, which also couldn't be farther from the truth. I'm not going to say that the current Russian government is without sin because they certainly aren't. However, your remarks simply make no sense. I know that the Russian conspiracy is the new narrative by a couple of Media sources but don't you think calling an entire country's people "savages" is a bit...antiquated?
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u/Han_Zulu Oct 14 '16
The US has the highest rate of incarcerated children than any other developed country. The US also has the highest prison population in the world.
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u/KotoElessar Oct 13 '16
Putin sees diplomacy as a zero sum game, if someone is winning then someone else is losing and Putin wants to be the winner. Russia has agreed to come back to the table over Syria though it is likely a ploy to buy more time for Assad to attack elements that threaten his regime. Sergey Lavrov, Russia's chief diplomat, seems to have a good head on his shoulders but he ultimately works for Putin and has to follow his boss.
The recent revelations over flight MH77, shot down with a Russian Surface to Air Missile (SAM), according to a Western investigation, and the move within the UN to call Russian and Syrian actions in the Syrian civil war, war crimes, has put Russia on the spot. Reports that Russia is moving short range (nuclear capable) ballistic missiles to their border with Poland now combined with rumours of (the original Russian source is a tabloid but the Kremlin still controls their narratives) orders for officials and families to return to Russia are meant as a sign to members of the United Nations Security Council (specifically China) that Russia is fully prepared to turn this situation into a "Hot War" to protect their sphere of power.
China will in turn pressure the West to fully explore all diplomatic channels and seek to avoid any escalation of the current Cold War.
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u/jorbleshi_kadeshi Oct 14 '16
Putin ally tells Americans: vote Trump or face nuclear war
This is so stupid it's hilarious.
We're still in a state of MAD. Nothing has changed. Nuking NATO results in the end of the world. Nuking Russia results in the end of the world.
No rational actor is going to change that. Clinton sure as hell isn't going to start a nuclear war. Putin plays irrational, but isn't going to commit suicide for no reason.
If we're talking nuclear war, the one I'd be worried about is the guy who said "If we have nuclear weapons, why can't we use them?" during an interview. Or the one who doubled down on starting war over getting taunted. That's the one who would scare the bejeezus out of me.
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u/ZealousVisionary Oct 14 '16
"That wouldn't start a war."
That's all he has to say about his comments.
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u/YourResidentRussian Oct 13 '16
A Russian tabloid, znak.com, published an article saying that, according to five unnamed government employees, there is a feeling in the top layers of Russian leadership that government employees should not school their kids abroad because it's bad PR. They are encouraged to bring them back to Russia, and those who don't get the message should not expect to be promoted.
Whether that is true is not known, it's a tabloid, and it's the only source.
But in any case there is no
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Your tabloids picked this up and have a field day with it. Don't read tabloids.