r/SubredditDrama • u/IAmAN00bie • Jul 11 '16
Social Justice Drama...? idk The Ghostbusters (2016) review embargo has lifted meaning you don't have to wait until you go to the movies to enjoy a bag of popcorn.
So if you haven't heard, there's a new Ghostbusters. And it's been quite controversial to say the least.
The movie is set to be released to the general public on July 15th in the U.S., but reviewers have already had the opportunity to watch and rate the movie. The embargo date for which they were required to wait until posting their reviews has just lifted and you can take a look at a summary of the reviews over in the /r/movies megathread here.
Here's some of the drama I've found so far:
Drama over Paul Feig's talent and if directing is simple
Some drama over if the movie is 'injecting feminism' and if it's a cash-grab
Slapfight over whether or not audience reviews are more trust-worthy than critic reviews
Are the positive reviewers politically biased?
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u/MintyAnt Jul 11 '16
Dude, this sibbo is killing it in the first link
I haven't been one this whole time. For the first half of the year I was working with Disney to kill BvS and boost up Civil War. Anytime I hear Bucky's words I create a new imdb account and give it a 10 then give BvS a 1
Is there good money in that? How do I get started?
Just praise Rogue One when the trailer comes out at the end of the week. Nod your head when you watch it on your phone in your living room, bring it up in general conversation, have a conversation with someone on the street about how cool Jyn Erso is. If you've got potential, they'll find you
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u/Sibbo94 Jul 11 '16
I'm touched guys, this is just 6-12 months worth of thinking the movie will turn out alright and generally not saying anything because I don't need to be told why I'm wrong, a healthy dose of r/moviescirclejerk upping my snark, not understanding why people put the tinfoil hats on assuming critics have been paid off and general hysterics that r/movies and r/ghostbusters are raging dumpster fires over this
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Jul 11 '16
This whole "film critics are shills" thing is new isn't it? I'm pretty sure I haven't seen it before this year. Warcraft and Ghostbusters with the odd Batman v Superman thrown in for flavor.
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Jul 11 '16
Oooooh we're getting another Rogue One trailer?
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Jul 11 '16
It's airing during Secrets of the Force Awakens: A Cinematic Journey this Friday 8/7 pm Central only on ABC!
^^ca-ching
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Jul 11 '16
Man, I'm getting so tired of every venomous opinion reduced down to calling the other person a "shill." It's just lazy, and insinuating that your opponent only disagrees with you because they're getting paid to do it is boring.
What happened to the truly vicious personal attacks that don't give the implicit benefit of the doubt that the person is just getting paid to disagree?
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It sucks for the sake of discourse, but I can't actually blame anyone for doing it. You know for sure that there ARE at least some people on the internet who's job is to market to you under false pretenses. This isn't a crazy conspiracy theory, a lot of companies and organizations do it in some capacity.
Of course it isn't everyone, or probably even most people that you engage with on the internet, but you don't know for sure if any given person you're talking to is genuinely engaging in a discussion or has some ulterior motive.
For most people, the last thing they want to do is get into an argument with someone who isn't actually engaging in the discussion. At best it's a frustrating waste of time and at worst they might be trying to manipulate you.
On the other hand, if they are genuinely having an argument with you, while you lose something by disengaging, it's a small loss compared to the time you'd waste arguing with someone who was just egging you on.
So you have to weigh your options any time you start getting into an argument where the other person is arguing a position that seems unreasonable. If it goes on long enough, I don't think you're being crazy by just throwing up your arms and saying it isn't worth it.
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u/wordsauce Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
I didn't realize this was a thing until it happened to me the other day. I even got hate mail.
How did this start?
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u/ZaheerUchiha Jul 11 '16
This is the perfect storm for popcorn. If the movie had received bad reviews as many expected, reddit would have circlejerked for a while about how they were right and then moved on. But now that the movie has a 74 on RT the whole thing has imploded and drama will prevail. I don't think an ok movie has caused so much of a shitfest before.
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u/Hammer_of_truthiness Jul 11 '16
Honestly the best part is that its got a 76% atm on RT for all critics, but for Top Critics its currently at 50% (so rotten) so both sides have ammo to shoot!
This one's gonna keep going for a while now.
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u/majere616 Jul 11 '16
That sounds like it translates to "Eh, it's okay" percentage-wise. Which is kinda on the high end of my expectations for reboots/remakes.
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u/FireWankWithMe Jul 11 '16
It emulates the drama around Hillary's emails so closely too: before the verdict subs like r/the_donald couldn't wait for the guilty judgement to come through (implying they trusted the FBI) yet as soon as the FBI didn't give the verdict they wanted it was straight into conspiracy mode labelling the FBI corrupt shills for Hills. The exact same thing has happened with Ghostbusters: people were initially hyped for having their views validated by authority but when that didn't happen the reaction was to try to smear the very authority they had just upheld.
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u/Puggpu Jul 11 '16
And, coincidentally, both the Clinton campaign and the new Ghostbusters have women in historically unlikely positions.
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u/bushiz Jul 11 '16
It's amazing. If it had been an obvious masterpiece, reddit would have rapidly pretended that it never thought it was going to be bad, if it had been a complete dud, there'd just be smug satisfaction, but, as an entirely passable film that's nothing amazing, they can go into a total meltdown about it.
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Jul 11 '16
Best part is both sides will have people giving insanely GREAT or insanely HORRIBLE reviews because you will have those people who are trying to make their side the 'winner'
The reviews are going to be all over the place.
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u/MiffedMouse Jul 11 '16
This is the hypest I've been over a mediocre film since the Interview.
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u/usabfb Jul 11 '16
Ha, yeah, I reached the same conclusion. I wasn't going to see it because I don't particularly love anyone involved nor Ghostbusters (as a franchise), but all the drama has convinced me that I need to judge for myself whether or not this is the greatest crime in cinema history.
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u/ApexTyrant Jul 11 '16
I got an opportunity to watch the movie at one of the pre screenings in LA recently and all I can say is that I personally don't think the movie is any good. The special effects are terrible and Leslie Jones' character is essentially a stereotype. That being said its nowhere near as bad as people are screaming.
its ok to dislike this movie on cinematic grounds(bad sfx, casting, etc), but once you get to "spamming 6 page essays on the man hating theme to the internet" you've lost any real credibility with me.
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Jul 11 '16
so its like robocop, total recall, and all remakes for the last 10 years.
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u/FEARtheTWITCH Jul 11 '16
21 jump street was surprisingly good, but yeah remakes are usually meh at best
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u/ApexTyrant Jul 11 '16
Yeah, and if we're being honest my first thing I thought at the end of the movie was parts of it felt like they were meant to just barely give enough ammunition to the "SJW's ruined the movie" crowd(they have to shoot the final baddie essentially in the dick, there are queef jokes, the males are far dumber than any human being could be, etc).
That being said, my personal theory is they just did what they original Ghostbusters movie did. They got an idea and grabbed a bunch of SNL players and comedians to fill it out. The chemistry just didn't work out, it happens.
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Jul 11 '16
I liled Dredd, Red Dawn was faithful to the heart of the original (wank material for teenagers), I saw the original after the remake but I felt like Total Recall was good, Nolan Batman was solid, and Disneys's remake of Hamlet with animals was solid as well.
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u/blastcage Jul 11 '16
all remakes for the last 10 years
False, 2010's True Grit is substantially better than the shitty original! Though some people might argue it's not a remake because it's a different movie based on the same source material, it's still essentially the same thing
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u/Matthew_Cline Jul 11 '16
I got an opportunity to watch the movie at one of the pre screenings in LA recently and all I can say is that I personally don't think the movie is any good.
Hey, at least you've actually seen the movie.
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u/Zuggy Jul 11 '16
So far, the RT score for the new movie is a 77 while the original has a 97. Based on the trailers and taking into account how RT scores movies I feel that might be a fair score.
The thing to remember about RT score is it's not a direct gauge of how good or bad a movie is, but what percentage of general audiences are expected to enjoy it. I think there's going to be a huge group of people who just aren't going to enjoy it because of how good the original was, but I also think it's unrealistic to expect the new movie to be as good as the original. It's not very often we get movies that are a perfect storm and are able to transcend time and I think the original Ghostbusters did that.
I figure if the new Ghostbusters movie hits the mark of being a decent reboot then it's probably done its job for the studios. I feel in 20 years people will still be enjoying the original Ghostbusters, but this reboot will probably fade from memory. I felt the same way about Jurassic World. I would say it was the second best Jurassic Park movie, but I think in 20 years we'll still be enjoying the original and Jurassic World will be mostly forgotten except for its association with Jurassic Park. Just for comparison Jurassic Park has a 93 on RT and Jurassic World has a 73.
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u/mompants69 Jul 11 '16
I mean, were people expecting it to be like Dark Knight or some shit? It's just a summer movie. Jurassic World wasn't very good either...
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u/zeeeeera Jul 11 '16
Hopefully it will mean that Reddit wakes up and realizes that much of the US media is owned by SJWs.
Ghostbusters 2016 is objectively worse than BvS and Warcraft. The fact that it is scoring higher critic reviews exposes the phantom SJW menace behind the curtain pulling the strings and preserving The Narrative.
You heard it here, the SJW cabal owns the media.
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u/_watching Jul 11 '16
Ghostbusters 2016 is objectively worse than BvS and Warcraft
The immensely varied palate of the reddit film buff
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Hey there, they probably also love the films of flawless visionaries such as Christopher Nolan and Quentin Tarantino
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u/CollapsingStar Jul 11 '16
the phantom SJW menace
I'll try shilling, that's a good trick!
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u/JamarcusRussel Jul 11 '16
I saw you had one of those laser memes, only jedis carry those
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u/upsetting_innuendo Jul 11 '16
the phantom SJW menace
man i could have sworn that came out in like 2000 or something, old news.
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But if you rearrange the letters of SJW you get JWS, which is only one letter short of being Jews. ONE E as in One Earth, as in One World, that the Learned Elders are trying to lead us towards! Wake up sheeple! SJWs are Jews!
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u/eezstreet Jul 11 '16
I love it when people use this word when describing
value aspects in mediasubjective content.FTFY
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u/mrpopenfresh Jul 11 '16
This is going to be the popcorn that keeps on giving. Everyone whipped themselves into a frenze over this movie for months, no matter what happens, the reactions will be extreme.
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u/NorrisOBE Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
I'm starting to think that the film would have a less negative reaction on Reddit if it starred Tina Fey, Ellie Kemper and Aisha Tyler alongside Kristen Wiig.
Hell, Reddit would be jerking itself if the female Ghostbusters starred Scarlett Johanssen, Emma Watson, Anna Kendrick and Aubrey Plaza.
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u/Triseult Jul 11 '16
When I first heard of the all-female-cast reboot concept, I was convinced they'd cast Sigourney Weaver as the grizzled veteran Ghostbuster training up a new team.
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u/MintyAnt Jul 11 '16
That's such a perfect Sigourny Weaver roll. She would be standing around, smoking a cigeratte with one hand, doing the "half arms crossed" thing and training them in the most hardass way ever.
That sounds awesome.
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u/Magoonie Jul 11 '16
I would love to see an Expendables type movie with an all badass female cast. Cast could be: Sigorney Weaver, Linda Hamilton, Uma Thurman, Scarlette Johanssen, Angelina Jolie, Zoe Saldana, Zoe Bell, Pam Grier, Rhonda Rousey, Eliza Dushku, Lucy Liu, Chloe Moretz and Kate Beckinsale for starters. Split them up to a good team vs a bad team and you've got a movie.
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u/MoralMidgetry Jul 11 '16
I thought reddit hates Emma Watson now because feminism and Panama Papers. And maybe also Aubrey Plaza for some reason I can't remember?
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u/AnEmptyKarst Jul 11 '16
Aubrey came out as bi, so let's see how Reddit reacts to that
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u/OgirYensa Jul 11 '16
Emma Watson
Eh, not such a reddit darling anymore after He For She.
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u/Combustibutt Jul 11 '16
Had no idea what you were talking about, so I googled it. Three thoughts:
Oh, a feminist speech from an adorable young lady. I'm sure Reddit didn't disappoint. I refuse to look up the drama cos it would only depress me.
Goddamn she looks fierce in a suit
Calling your feminist website unwomen.org? Could've chosen better.
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Maybe Amy Poehler as well? Oh, man, with Nick Offerman as the secretary.
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u/Intortoise Jul 11 '16
I am such a boring person that a remake of a children's movie literally ruins my childhood. My childhood solely consisted of sitting in front of a TV watching a movie, and now that a remake has come out, they somehow managed to go back in time and destroy the original and all my memories with it.
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Jul 11 '16
My entire value system and life is shaped by Dan Akroyd's character in the original. I'm now suffering deep existential angst by watching the trailer to this film. Please send help.
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u/mrpopenfresh Jul 11 '16
It's really sad to frame it like this, but it's also the best way to frame it.
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Jul 12 '16
I'm really rubbed the wrong way by people who base their entire identities on consumption, and there are SO FUCKING MANY people like that.
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u/NudoJudo Jul 11 '16
God, we've become such... pricks about things. What happened to being pleasantly surprised when a movie you thought was going to be shitty turned out being good(or at least not terrible)?
Were there these controversies back in the day? Like when Sigourney Weaver ends up being the protagonist in Alien, did the neckbeard-equivalent back then mew about it endlessly?
Actually, now that I think about it, there totally were. I wish there were message boards back in the '80s, so we could go back and see metalheads grouse about Kip Winger.
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u/Antigonus1i Jul 11 '16
A much better example is Starbuck being a woman in the Battlestar Galactica remake. I've personally never heard anyone who had a problem with it, but it was probably controversial at the time.
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u/NudoJudo Jul 11 '16
It's really hard trying to remember any controversy about BSG because it's all overshadowed by the ending, and also by the fact that remake was a lot better than the original.
With that said, I can't remember people whining about female Starbuck. I vaguely recall skepticism in regards to bringing back something like BSG, but nothing in regards to specifics.
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u/vestigial Jul 11 '16
A much better example is Starbuck being a woman in the Battlestar Galactica remake. I've personally never heard anyone who had a problem with it, but it was probably controversial at the time.
There were plenty of people who were upset Star Buck was played by a woman, right up until they saw her knock out the XO and saunter off to the brig chomping a cigar. So damn good.
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u/_Dimension Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
That was one of the gutsiest decisions in the past 20 years of TV. It was controversial but as someone pointed out, the second she knocked the XO out in the first scene of the pilot movie, it really set the tone of the character and people immediately shut the fuck up about it.
Katee Sackhoff's performance just outshines everyone else in a sea of great performances. Every scene she is in she commands attention of the viewer. People talk about Linda Hamilton in Terminator 2, but that performance is cartoony compared to the flawed toughgirl Starbuck.
The Emmy's have been notoriously bad for scifi, and I think this is one of the best examples. I think both Katee lead and Tricia Helfer as supporting were completely snubbed. And that is just the first season.
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u/mrpopenfresh Jul 11 '16
People who don't spend a lot of time online are absolutely disgusted by haters like this. The amount of vitriol spewn is enough to kill a small continent. Even the Internet has started reffering to situations and people as "toxic", which is probably the best term to be using. Unfortunately, it's starting to lose its edge as more and more things are genuinely toxic.
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This is the second time I've been Rick rolled this weekend and before that I'm pretty sure it's been years. The first time was by some hippie brass band in the backwoods of central Pennsylvania
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u/MoralMidgetry Jul 11 '16
Ghostbusters wouldn't even make my top 10 movies that came out in 1984. Fite me irl.
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http://www.imdb.com/search/title?year=1984,1984&title_type=feature&sort=moviemeter,asc
Yea, that was a pretty good year...
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u/InsomniacAndroid Jul 11 '16
Can I have a list? I don't even like Ghostbusters I'm actually curious.
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u/MoralMidgetry Jul 11 '16
Movies I saw at a relatively young age (since this is all about ruined childhoods)? Or all movies from 1984 regardless of when I saw them?
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That's kind of along the lines of what made this whole thing bizarre to me. Before this whole controversy kicked off I can't ever recall Ghostbusters being something that people talked about, like really ever. Sure the theme song was still pretty known, as were maybe two lines ("Don't cross the streams" and "blah blah God you say yes") but other than that? It just always seemed like any other movie that was popular back in its day but was mostly left by the wayside. But this reboot comes around and suddenly you've got Ghostbusters fans coming out of the woodwork by the thousands all trying to defend its honor and claiming its an all-time classic. Like, where were all these people before the shit hit the fan? Like, it's a good movie but I wasn't exactly seeing much "it's an unassailable classic" sentiment before this all went down
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u/ElkeKerman Jul 11 '16
Nah, there was definitely a lot of that, because as we all know Bill Murray is a perfect human being.
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Jul 11 '16
Definitely among friends of mine it was considered excellent.
However I never would have predicted this much hate for remaking it (and that's from someone who doesn't have a desire to see it).
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u/Theta_Omega Jul 11 '16
I mean, the original is definitely a classic in comedy, but they've remade and rebooted classics before with much less fuss. I don't remember this much rage over the new Thing, or RoboCop, or Total Recall, or Terminator, or Alien, and those are all cult favorites. I've seen zero outrage over the upcoming Ben-Hur and Magnificent Seven remakes, and those are both within the next two months.
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u/Billlington Jul 11 '16
I don't know if I agree with this (it's definitely a classic comedy) but the people whining about ruining the Ghostbusters "franchise" seem to forget the second movie is awful and the only other Ghostbusters thing(s) are a couple of forgotten 90s cartoons. Not much of a "franchise."
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u/TheGreatZiegfeld Jul 11 '16
Somedays r/movies really makes me want to die.
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u/IgnisDomini Jul 11 '16
Hey, at least not everyone who dares to say that maybe it's actually just a decent movie and not the work of SJW shills is in the negatives. That's more than you can say about most of the defaults.
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u/ThaddeusJP Jul 11 '16
Drama is everywhere. I mod r/hotwheels and even there we have issues.
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u/XxsquirrelxX Jul 12 '16
The default subs are horrible. r/askreddit is the only one I actually like. r/funny is unfunny, and r/news and r/worldnews are full of idiots who think they know everything about the world and how the solution to everything is "blame <insert minority here>".
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u/FireWankWithMe Jul 11 '16
This has been my favourite drama to watch unfold, I'm pretty sure I laughed more from the drama than I will watching the actual film. There has been so much madness from the KIA crowd but I think my favourite was the thread trying to get to the bottom of what could possibly be wrong with Paul Feig to make him want to direct female casts. They diagnosed him with everything from deeply closeted homosexuality to deep seated childhood trauma, all while calling him a 'mangina' at the same time as they were getting upset about a villain being shot in the dick.
Also this is outdated but now is probably my last chance to link to this and I feel like I should because it's the funniest video I've seen of someone wading through this particular borough of crazy.
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Jul 11 '16
#WheresAnitasBees
Hbomberguy is such a breath of fresh air on YouTube compared to the alt-right that seems to dominate the site (at least on the topic of internet politics). He's the only leftist Youtuber that is even somewhat popular besides LibertarianSocialistRants.
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u/rockidol Jul 11 '16
He has a lot of the same faults the "alt-righters" have namely "I'm going to act like the other side is full of idiots and to prove my point I'll go over a video or two and act like that's being thorough."
(by the way alt-right? Really? They make videos attacking feminism so they must be part of the right wing? That's some real us vs them style thinking).
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u/undercome Jul 11 '16
Thanks to you I just watched a feature length design analysis of Fallout 3. Captivating stuff.
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u/Im_Daydrunk Jul 11 '16
I think one of the things people were upset with Feig about was his opinion on guys in comedy: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paul-feig-why-men-arent-449025
I like a lot of Feig's movies but when I read that column I could help but feel annoyed at that. I mean come on, he couldn't think of a single funny guy in the history of hollywood?
I really respect him sticking up for women in movies (especially in comedy roles) but he seriously seems to have some real dislike towards other guys for some reason
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u/PM_ME_UR_ATX_RANTS Jul 11 '16
That's a pretty straightforward satire of this article:
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u/XxsquirrelxX Jul 12 '16
KIA is collectively shitting itself at the thought that a woman dares to star in a new Ghostbusters. Sometimes, I wonder if that sub has one grownup in it, or if it's all middle schoolers who think "girls are icky".
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He's not for everyone. I basically agree with him 100% of the time, but I tend to find him a bit off-putting on account of how his sense of humor is so circle-jerky and his videos are so lamely produced. It's one of those things where the things that makes him appealing to a small core audience turns him off to a lot of other people I think, and that realization has always been one of those [glass shattering] things for me.
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u/rockidol Jul 11 '16
Does alt right mean anything other than "leftists who aren't feminists"
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u/SpaceGoggle Jul 11 '16
I can't stand people who scream "shill" around every corner.
They're really fucking stupid.
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u/AuNanoMan Jul 11 '16
Man how do you even get to be a real shill? I would totally be called a shill all day if I got paid. Sounds pretty cush.
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u/azavx Jul 11 '16
I can't either but I do think that companies plant a ton of people on reddit. It's too easy to do for so much exposure
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u/SpaceGoggle Jul 11 '16
I'm sure it happens, but i reckon that shill accusations are accurate maybe 5 or 10% of the time.
In this case it's so blatantly not appropriate.
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Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
In summary:
I'm a self-proclaimed member of the egalitarian elite, so I'm basically better than you, and if you liked this movie you are a spooky, racist, man-hating SJW shill who can't speak your real opinion because Hilary Clinton. And no, being "egalitarian" in no way means I'm actually apathetic and lack empathy.
There, that's the whole drama.
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u/AuNanoMan Jul 11 '16
"I believe everyone is equal. Now listen why I tell you why I'm. Better than you and all women."
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u/Zombies_hate_ninjas Jul 11 '16
I'll probably feel the same about this movie as i do the recent TMNT movies, get weren't great but I didn't hate them. I was way more into Ninja Turtles as a kid than I was Ghostbusters. But a shitty remake doesn't replace the original.
I like the director, the cast seems fine, and it has Thor. That's usually enough to get me to like a movie.
How people get so invested in a commercial movie i simply can't understand.
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u/NebulousZero Jul 11 '16
At best its just another movie in a series you like and at worst a movie you don't like, it isn't a big deal
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u/tydestra Jul 11 '16
For certain it's a cash grab, every reboot can be classified as such, but the sheer amount of salt surrounding the movie is amazing.
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u/HappyNazgul Jul 11 '16
Holy shit, has r/ghostbusters been straight up taken over by MRA's? That place is a hellhole right now.
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u/ACTUALLY_A_WHITE_GUY Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
There are three dynamics at play here. They are;
paid shills 2) political activists 3) virtue signallers looking to be on the "right side of history".
The paid shills are the most obvious. Their motivation is simple; they were paid to do it. They are by and large amoral individuals who care nothing for intellectual honesty nor quality of product. Their boss pays them to shape the narrative. They are... somewhat good at it. They're very skilled at infiltration and most importantly, they are dedicated. Because their paycheck relies on it.
The second group are doing it for free. They are also dedicated to shaping the narrative and often, but not always, quite skilled at it. There will be some overlap between them and the paid shills. Their motivation is to control the direction of society through media so that that society will put them in a position of greater power than the one they think they currently have. I know it sounds crazy, but the internet is a hotbed for political activism and message control these days
And the third group? They think that they're going to get to hang out with the cool kids if they push whatever message that group wants them to. They just happen to define the cool kids as problem glasses wearing danger hairs.
GB16 is the feminist flagship of the year. If it crashes, it suggests that maybe agenda driven comedy isn't a great idea. Because... you know... that shit is never funny. It also might prove that milquetoasts like feig ultimately suck at their job. And maybe... just maybe... Hitchens was right and women aren't funny. I don't entirely agree with Hitchens' supposition, but... well... the "humor" of GB16 is pretty representative of women trying too hard to be funny but ultimately failing to understand what is and isn't funny.
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Jul 12 '16
This amount of interest and importance given to generic remake n. 886574 is somewhat scary.
Having women in comedic roles isn't new in any shape or form. Why does it trigger so many people?
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u/taitaisanchez Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
OF COURSE ITS A FUCKING CASH GRAB.
You grab cash by making a good movie and heavily promoting the shit out of it. No one asked if Avengers was a cash grab.
Jeez, it's like the people who accuse Apple of being greedy. Of fucking course they are. If you're not you go out of fucking business. Ask HP and Dell how selling cut rate PCs and phones at razor thin margins worked for them.
Does anyone think this is a philanthropy?
Also lol at injecting feminism into things. Like the original wasn't some bizarre libertarian rant.
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u/not_worth_your_time Jul 12 '16
Way to misunderstand what a Cash Grab is. A cash grab isn't anything that tries to make money, it also has to have the component of malicous disregard for the quality of the product.
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u/taitaisanchez Jul 12 '16
I know what the term means. I meant to turn that accusation around and deconstruct what that term means.
I see the term used as a pejorative for anything that tries to make money. So the figurative meaning is eroding to the point where it's just an empty epithet spewed at whatever the speaker doesn't like with all sorts of nasty implied language. Like calling someone or something hipster or hipster like or making nazi allusions.
So, bringing it back to the literal meanings of cash and grab, I'm pointing out that no, it's not a crappy cynical ploy to appeal to your nostalgia. They seem to have made a genuinely good movie that is worth seeing and worth paying for.
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u/rockidol Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
Believe it or not some people who make movies do so because they have passion, a desire to make a good film and/or a story to tell, not merely to get a paycheck.
I think Cracked's argument about ghostbusters being conservative was a bit sketchy but if that's the argument were going by then it's not a great reboot when you completely change the ideology of the movie.
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u/taitaisanchez Jul 11 '16
Yeah but being a cash grab and being a quality movie aren't mutually exclusive either. That's my point. You can have the passion to make the best stuff you can and if you're really good, you can market the shit out of it and make a ton of money.
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u/RedCanada Jul 11 '16 edited Jul 11 '16
Looking at the reviews, the movie seems to be hitting the 7/10 mark.
I'm OK with that. It was worried the movie would be a 3/10 and all of Reddit would celebrate the crash and burn of a movie centred around women.
Also, in my opinion (get ready for controversial opinion, get out your pitchfork now!) the original Ghostbusters was a 7/10, so this new movie seems to be about the same quality.
Edit: Looking at IMDb, the original Ghostbusters got 7.8 on user reviews, and 67/100 metacritic rating. The new Ghostbusters is getting a 63/100 metacritic rating and a 6/10 on user reviews.
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u/vestigial Jul 11 '16
IMDB ratings for pre-IMDB movies are inflated, I think. People who like movies tend to vote more than people who didn't. At least that's my impression...
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u/RedCanada Jul 11 '16
I think it's also possible for groups of people with hidden agendas to manipulate the scores of movies, like what happened with The Godfather, Shawshank Redemption, and the Dark Knight.
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u/samdenyer Jul 11 '16
Also, in my opinion (get ready for controversial opinion, get out your pitchfork now!) the original Ghostbusters was a 7/10, so this new movie seems to be about the same quality.
I'm actually quite amazed by the amount of people who think the same. I thought I was the only one.
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u/ucstruct Jul 11 '16
The original got a 97% on Rotten Tomatoes, a lot of people really liked that movie. It was the second highest ranked in 1984 by their metric.
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u/RedCanada Jul 11 '16
That must be some interesting choices for critical reviews on Rotten Tomatoes since Metacritic only gives it a 67/100 and Ghostbusters is NOT 97% good.
Sorry, but Ghostbusters is not as good as Amadeus, This Is Spinal Tap, or Once Upon a Time in America (!!!). Goddamn, I never knew Rotten Tomatoes was so fucking stupid.
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Lol I felt the same way, I considered temporarily filtering out "Ghostbusters" in RES cause I didn't want to see the onslaught of gloating front page posts about how bad it was received/doing. Makes me happy that it's being received well so these annoying people can't be smug about it.
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u/Magoonie Jul 11 '16
I don't get the "ruined" perspective. From what I'm reading this movie seems kinda blah but it won't hurt the original movie or the sequel (yeah I kinda like Ghostbusters 2). Even if this new movie is downright terrible it doesn't affect how much I enjoy anything that came before it.
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u/rudhira_kali_ca Jul 11 '16
You can only find this level of density elsewhere in the universe in a neutron star.