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Apr 10 '16
One thing I'd like to point out about Bihar and its people, no offense please. I found them to be extremely rude, specially the educated rich class. We were travelling by train, there was a mishap with the seat numbers, so one couple with their two college educated kids boarded the train and told us to get off, we said give us a few mins as my parents were travelling with me. The couple came off extremely rude and used very foul language, we kept saying give us a few minutes cause about 200 bihari people have crammed themselves in the the coach taking up every inch of space, no space was left to move around, it turned into a heated argument. But few other bihari people who were travelling in the coach and sleeping on the floor came to help us and moved the suitcases. Saw two sides of Bihar that day, the educated obnoxious class and the poor class who helped us to move the luggages. From that day whenever we would travel via train if the train entered Bihar we would always travel in the AC compartment.
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
You are basing your entire judgement on a single experience. Even that is not consistent. While you say Biharis are rude and rich class more so, your experience says that rich couple were rude and others helpful. I have had similar experiences in South India while traveling in train, but very few times compared to the good experiences I have had. I am not judging entire state based on some single experience.
It is shame that such a judgemental comment with very little evidence to support it and actually evidence quite contrary to the assertion is being upvoted by everyone. It is consistent with comments elsewhere on this subreddit. People just hate Bihar.
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Apr 12 '16
People just hate Bihar.
I wonder why.
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u/lalu4pm Apr 13 '16
That is a bad logic. I hate Bihar and hence Biharis are bad is a very long reasoning. As I already pointed out about your comment.
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u/bontucomment Apr 11 '16
This is not specific to Bihar, is it? You can have that experience anywhere in India.
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Apr 11 '16
It's generally not advisable to travel in sleeper/general compartments of trains in Bihar and U.P.
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u/shadilal_gharjode Apr 10 '16
Rich, rude people
Fret no much. You are going to find them in every nook and cranny of our country - every state, every district, every mohalla..
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u/fullblownman Apr 10 '16
Clearly they were not very well educated. Getting a degree doesn't necessarily mean getting an education.
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u/antariksh_vaigyanik Apr 10 '16
What would be the best time to visit Bihar? Mostly interested in visiting Gaya and places nearby.
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Apr 10 '16
Any time other than summer, visited Rajgir in may, it was horrible. But its fine in winter.
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u/_snorlax__ Apr 09 '16
My time to shine. Im a south indian living in bihar for the past 6 years. This is my take on bihar and biharis.
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They're a nice and friendly bunch of people contrary to what everyone thinks. They can be rude at times but the general strata of the society is mostly helpful
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Caste is a slighty lesser problem than in AP. For a start people are relatively ok with intercaste marriages.
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Everyone wears a helmet in patna, even the cops. In traffic junctions you will barely see anyone without a helmet. I attribute it to the fact that they're scared of breaking the rules. Might not be the case in other circumstances.
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The police or atleast the traffic police is less corrupt than their counterparts in hyd. Every time I've been caught by the police i was either let off because I'm a south indian or I've been given a challan. Had to only bribe twice.
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Poverty and unemployment is a serious issue here. The lower strata of the society is completely subjugated by the rich and the middle class.
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The upper class is ruthless while the lower and middle class is completely timid and always in fear of repercussions from the rich. Although this is the case in all of india, it's magnified in bihar.
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Population, soooooo many people. The amount of people in bihar is incomprehensible.
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The weather is utter shit. All the four seasons only exist in extremes and it feels more humid than near the sea.
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No prominent local cuisine. Hygiene is a non-existent concept in Bihar. Too much oil in the way food is cooked.
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u/snonoenothing Jun 14 '16
Agree to all of your points except the one regarding local cuisine. It hurts me as a maithil, because the major bulwark of our cultural identity is our love for food ( mithila is referred to as the land of paan, maach(fish) and makhaan). You come to mithila( north bihar) and see the kind of culinary diversity we have. Few examples.
Rahu Fish curry
Makhanak kheer(kheer of makhan).
Ichna ke jhor (fresh water prawn curry)
Tilkor ke paat (a snack made of tilkor, a climber).
Sweets such as khaja(best avl in Pipra,Supaul), peda, anarsa, kalakand etc etc most of them not unique though, most bihari sweets are dry in nature.
Kanchu ke chakka( a curry made of ambhibious plant whose english name i dont know).
Kauni ke kheer (again a kheer of a cereal called kauni, dont know the english name).
Much more that i dont remember. One interesting thing i observed after living in mumbai and other coastal parts of India, north Bihari cuisine is the closest in North India to the coastal cuisine of western India mostly because north bihar has a hell lot of ponds and rivers. May be i am wrong, others may concur. Thanks
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
I am a Bihari, a proud one, albeit aware of the state’s limitations, and would like to chime in on your observations.
They're a nice and friendly bunch of people contrary to what everyone thinks. They can be rude at times but the general strata of the society is mostly helpful
I think people are same as everywhere in terms of politeness and hospitality. I have lived in different South Indians states for years and spent some time abroad. Given prosperity and wealth level I have found it be similar. With one caveat, that there is less respect for manual labor in India than abroad. Same with Bihar.
Caste is a slightly lesser problem than in AP. For a start people are relatively ok with intercaste marriages.
I have lived in AP for a long time I would have thought same thing but in reverse. If you are rich and live in Patna, intercaste marriage is okay but go to the nearby villages and you will learn that intercaste marriage will not only destroy you but your entire family. If you are rich you might move out or not care but majority of the people, need society on their side, doesn’t matter if you are upper caste or lower caste. To sum it up, intercaste marriage is a huge no. Even love marriage among same caste couples are frowned upon though accepted after an year or two. I personally know people who were beaten up by people from girl’s family/village, almost to death. They were accepted later on.
Everyone wears a helmet in patna, even the cops. In traffic junctions you will barely see anyone without a helmet. I attribute it to the fact that they're scared of breaking the rules. Might not be the case in other circumstances.
I haven’t observed it much recently but generally right. But it is only within Patna city limits. Outside patna triple riding and without helmets is common. It is due to fear of fine as you correctly said.
The police or atleast the traffic police is less corrupt than their counterparts in hyd. Every time I've been caught by the police i was either let off because I'm a south indian or I've been given a challan. Had to only bribe twice.
I have never been in a situation but in general if you look rich or influential cops will give you a pass or as you mentioned do only legal stuff. There are enough poor people to collect money from than to jeopardise their government job by trying to fleece some guy who might get them fired, suspended or in trouble. A lot of people just take random names when caught. Some politician or DM etc. to get away and it works.
Poverty and unemployment is a serious issue here. The lower strata of the society is completely subjugated by the rich and the middle class.
I agree about unemployment. There is only government and service sector jobs in the state. There is no industry in spite of huge potential. About the rich and middle class subjugating lower strata, I agree it is true, but I can’t say how different it is from other parts of the country. I think it is similar to other places.
The upper class is ruthless while the lower and middle class is completely timid and always in fear of repercussions from the rich. Although this is the case in all of india, it's magnified in bihar.
Depends on your definition of middle class. I don’t think middle class is timid at all. In fact middle class in terms of doing what they want is strongest in Bihar as compared to anywhere else. You might confuse timidity of middle class with a way of doing things here. In general there is respect for authority as long as people don’t have to change their ways.
No prominent local cuisine. Hygiene is a non-existent concept in Bihar. Too much oil in the way food is cooked
You are totally mistaken here. The problem is that there is no concept of eating out in Bihar. When people eat out it is for two reasons- either eat something that you don’t eat at home or you really need to and go to cheap places. Nobody eats out for experience. Most of the stuff I ate during my childhood, I don’t find it anywhere. As some other person already mentioned, there are a lot of them. Either a different cooking style or dishes not seen elsewhere. For instance pittha, dhaknesar, gudamma etc. are the things you wouldn’t get to eat in a restaurant because none of them serve them.
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u/desi_ninja Apr 12 '16
Bihari culture is an extension of Bengali culture. So cuisine wise it is a remix of many bengali cuisines
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Apr 13 '16
Umm no it is not at all, I'm a Biharis and I can tell you that Is completely untrue. Biharis culture is similar to East UP, Jharkhand and South Nepal due to linguistic and marital ties. Bengali culture is only found in border districts like Kishinganj but Bengalis have an independent culture and language. Very different to us.
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u/desi_ninja Apr 14 '16
Dude, I am a bihari too. When I say Bengali culture I say from a historic point of view. Don't compare it with current Bengali culture. And your East UP part is also true. Thanks for bringing it up. I have a strong interest in reading cultural histories so came across this fact many times. Also, Bihar being under Bengal province also led to this phenomenon
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u/HawkEye_7 Apr 12 '16
The upper class is ruthless while the lower and middle class is completely timid and always in fear of repercussions from the rich. Although this is the case in all of india, it's magnified in bihar.
This is my view too from visits to bihar
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u/bhiliyam Apr 12 '16
No prominent local cuisine.
How is it possible for any culture to not have a local cuisine? Do people there not eat or something?
If you want to eat the local cuisine, you will have to go to people's homes. You can't find it in restaurants.
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Apr 09 '16
Don't believe you about the caste part, have you spent most of your time in Patna? Visit the rural areas of Central and South Bihar. Those villages are still in the 18th century, lower castes Paswans and Musahars are kept as slaves by upper caste landlords. And inter caste marriage is unheard of in my district.
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u/desi_ninja Apr 12 '16
Trivia : Mushahars because they used to eat mice out of poverty. Hence the name
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u/_snorlax__ Apr 09 '16 edited Apr 09 '16
Yes, I mean patna and not the whole of bihar. In comparison to my family and the general scenario in hyderabad, Patna is better.
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u/kbwd Apr 09 '16
All the four seasons only exist in extremes
Welcome to north India.
No prominent cuisine
Litti chokha :/
Hygiene is a non-existent concept
Ok, can't argue about that. Don't know about hygiene in the kitchen, that depends from person to person, but generally the place is filthy. Patna isn't that bad, but most of the smaller towns make me wonder how people can live there.
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u/_snorlax__ Apr 09 '16
Litti Chokha is amazing but it isn't a cuisine it's only one dish. About hygiene, i haven't been to many houses but the ones i have been to maintained proper hygiene except for the fact that they covered every dish with oil.
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u/kbwd Apr 09 '16
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u/_snorlax__ Apr 09 '16
I meant that not all of the dishes are unique to bihar. Most of the dishes in that list you'll find everywhere in North India.
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u/rubin2007 Apr 09 '16
Iam from kerala. Love to visit bihar one day!!! Please suggest some nice place to visit...
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u/GreaterOnion Apr 11 '16
Here is a list of palaces (and some info regarding them) you can visit in Bihar.
For Gaya District,
Vishnupad Mandir (c. 1787), it is a temple dedicated to Lord Vishnu and built by Ahliyabai Holkar of the Great Maratha House of Holkar, during the reign of Peshwa (Prime Minister?) Sawai Madhavrao.
For Gaya District, within and in the vicinity of Bodh Gaya (c. 563),
Mahabodhi Temple (c. 250 BCE, reconstructed in the 5th Century CE, renovated in the 11th Century CE and again restored in 1885), initially built under the orders of Emperor Ashoka Maurya to serve as a Buddhist Monastery, but shows later signs of reconstructed during the Gupta Period. It was renovated in the 11th Century CE possibly under the guidance of Anawrahta Minsaw of the Pagan Dynasty in Burma who volunteered to do so and again in 1885 by J. D. Beglar and Dr. Rajendralal Miitra during the British Raj. The temple had been abandoned since the 13th Century CE and only came into use after its restoration in the 19th Century CE when it passed into the hands of Hindu committees and it was only after 1949 were members of the Buddhist community were able to make use of the temple once again.
Mahabodhi Tree (c. unknown; before 563 BCE, regrown in 288 BCE, replanted in the late 1st Century BCE, again in the 8th Century CE and again in 1881), the first Bodhi tree was the one under which Guatama Buddha had attained enlightenment. It was poisoned by Tishyaraksha, one of Emperor Ashoka Maurya's wives but regrew, it was also destroyed by Emperor Pushyamitra Sunga but replanted when the rebelling Satavahanas held Pataliputra, and again destroyed in 600 CE by Shashanka during the regin of Emperor Harshavardhan and again replanted when the Palas came to power. It was later destroyed in a 1876 therefore was replanted in 1881. It is located right infront of the Mahabodhi Temple.
Sujata Stupa (c. 2nd Century BCE; expanded in 8th Century CE), it was the location at which Sujata who offered kheer to the malnutrition-ed Gautama Buddha. Emperor Ashoka Maurya built the Stupa in her, honor was expanded later on by Emperor Dharmapala I.
Great Buddha Statue (c. 1989), it is a 25m tall statue of Buddha in a seated Dhyana Mudra pose made out of sandstone and red granite. It was inaugurated by the Dalai Lama.
Thai Monastery (c. 1958), it was built by the King of Thailand, Bhumibol Adulyadej to strengthen the ties between the two countries and is one of its kind in India with a typical design resembling most other monasteries in Thailand. It is one of the many foreign built monasteries in Bodh Gaya which also houses the monks of the specific country.
Royal Bhutan Monastery (c. 2011), it is a majestic little monastery built by King of Bhutan, Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck. It also contains a 7 ft tall Buddha Statue and is too one of the many foreign built monasteries housing monks of their specific countries in Bodh Gaya.
Indosan Nipponji (c. 1972), it is a Japanese style wooden monastery built with the help of Japanese religious organisations which contains many Japanese painting depicting the life of Buddha. It too is one of the many foreign built monasteries housing monks of their specific country in Bodh Gaya.
Chinese Temple (c. 1958), it is a traditional Chinese temple built by the Chinese Government and houses a 200 year old Buddha Statue. It too is one of the many foreign built monasteries housing monks of their specific country in Bodh Gaya.
For Nalanda District
Pawapuri (c. unknown; older than 5th Century BCE), it is the location of one of the capitals of the Kingdom of Malla and also the location of the attainment of Moksha by the Jain Tirthankara (Great Teacher). It also contains a Jain Jal Mandir (Water Temple).
Tomb of Ibrahim Mallick Baya (c. 1353), it is the tomb dedicated to the sufi saint and Governor of Bihar, Ibrahim Mallick Baya under Emperor Jauna Khan.
Nalanda University (c. 416), it was an ancient center of learning built under Emperor Kumaragupta I., which now lies in ruins. It was active for at least 784 years and has been renovated and expanded several times. The whole complex covers an area of 30 acres and is filled with learning classes, a stupa, monasteries, temples and hostels. Its curriculum included study of the vedas, sculpture making, medicine, logic & mathematics, architecture, grammar & literature, theology & philosophy, etc and is littered with bronze statues and other brick edifices. It is an active archaeological site and is highly recommended for a visit.
Nalanda Archeological Museum (c. 1971), it is a Museum located right beside the complex of the Nalanda University and is dedicated to the University itself and contains thousands of exhibits related to the findings in the Museum and works of various well known scholar.
Xuanzang Memorial Hall (c. 1984), it is a Memorial Hall built in a joint Indo-Chinese endevour dedicated to the Xuanzang, a buddhist monk and scholar who stayed in Nalanda University during his travels in India. It also contains a piece of Xuanzang's skull and is located beside the University.
Nalanda Multimedia Museum (c. 2008), it is an interactive museum founded in a private endeavor which also hosts a show on the history of the Nalanda University.
For Nalanda District, within Rajgir (c. unknown; older than 667 BCE, possibly as old as 2000 BCE) (lit. Royal Mountain),
Fortified Area of Old Rajgir (c. unknown; older than 10th Century BCE), it is a stone wall 30 miles in length surrounding all of Rajgir. It is the remains of the fortified area around Rajgir when it used to be the capital of Magadha.
Jarasandha's Akhara (c. unknown; older than 10th Century BCE), it is the remains of an Akhara (Barrack & Training House) built by the Legendary King of Magadha, Jarasandha.
Atanatiya Sutta Conference Hall (c. unknown; older than 6th Century BCE), it was a conference hall of the Kingdom of Magadha and is a Buddhist pilgrimage site as it was the location where Buddha held many conferences while his stay in the Kingdom of Magadha.
Golden Treasury (c. 6th Century BCE), it was the treasury of the Kingdom of Magadha until its capital was shifted to Pataliputra and was possibly built the Magadhi King, Nandivardhdhana. It is a carved out cave with massive chambers.
Bimbisara Marg (c. 5th Century BCE), it consists of two brick stupas which marks the location of the Magadhi King, Bimbisara's first meeting with Gautama Buddha.
Venuvan (c. 5th Century BCE), it is a housing complex with a large artificial (hot spring) pond which was a gift to Gautama Buddha from Magadhi King, Bimbisara. Gautama Buddha stayed in the location for quite some time along with his disciples.
Ajatashatru Fort & Bimbisara's Prison (c. 491 BCE), it is the remains of the stone fort made by Magadhi King, Ajatashatru within the the larger fortified area. It also has the prison in which Bimbisara was made prisoner by his son Ajatashatru.
Pipphali Cave (c. 4th Century BCE), it was the housing complex of Mahakasyapa, one of Buddha's disciples, a courtier in Magadha and the conductor of the First Buddhist Council.
Saptaparni Cave (c. 483 BCE), it was carved out under the orders of the Magadhi King, Ajatashatru for holding the First Buddhist Council after the attainment of Nirvana by Gautama Buddha.
Ajatashatru Stupa (c. 461 BCE), it is the Stupa of Ajatashatru built by Magadhi King, Udayin for his father Ajatashatru. It was built before Udayin shifted the capital to Pataliputra.
Jivakambavana (c. 3rd Century BCE), it is the ruins of a Buddhist monastery built under the orders of Emperor Mahapadma Nanda (a general under Magadhi King, Mahanandin) before he usurped the throne.
Son Bhandar Caves (c. 3rd Century CE), it contains many pieces of rock cut architecture and epigraphy built as a resthouse by Muni Vairadevi. It consists of two caves and a cliff face between, the eastern cave has been ruined to some extent. It was also later used by Hindu Vaishnav followers who possibly used it as a temple.
Vishwa Shanti Stupa (c. 1969), it is one of the 80 peace pagoda around of the world and one of India's seven. There is also a (Japanese) Nipponzan Myohoji Temple located close to it.
Vulture's Peak, it is a location which is used as an observation post above the ruins of Rajgir. There is also a ropeway connecting to the place.
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u/GreaterOnion Apr 11 '16
For Patna District,
Kumhrar (c. unknown; older than 6th Century BCE), it is the location of Pataliputra has the ruins of various buildings of the ancient capital city. It is an active archeological site.
Agam Kuan (c. unknown; possibly 3rd Century BCE), it is a legendary well which is supposed to have been the torture chamber of Emperor Ashoka Maurya and is linked to the river Ganga. It is surrounded by an active archaeological site.
Buddha Smriti Park (c. 2010), it was built to commemorate the 2554th Birthday of Gautama Buddha and contains a Mahastupa, a Museum dedicated to Buddhist Cave Monasteries, a meditation hall and two growing Bodhi Trees obtained from the saplings of Mahabodhi tree in Bodh Gaya and the Bodhi tree in Anuradapura in Sri Lanka. Its Stupa contains relics which can viewed from outside as the walls are made up of glass.
Mahavir Mandir (c. 1947, rebuilt in 1987), it is a Hanuman Temple made of white marble and dedicated to Hanuman, Ram, Durga, etc which was used to shelter homeless people after the partition. It is located right beside Buddha Smriti Park.
Rajdhani Vatika (c. 2011), it was built to act as the city park for the city of Patna. It has around 3000 varieties of plants and is a perfect place for jogging in the morning.
Gandhi Statue, Gandhi Maidan (c. 2013), located in middle of the history Gandhi Maidan where Mahatma Gandhi had launched the Champaran and Quit India Movements lies the Gandhi Statue made out of bronze and at 77 ft, is the tallest Gandhi Statue in the World.
Patna Museum (c. 1917), it is a historical museum containing a vast array of exhibits pertaining initially built during the British Raj to house historical artifacts found in the vicinity of Patna.
Bihar Museum (c. 2015, ongoing construction), it is a Museum which is still under construction though a part of it has been opened. It too is a history museum and is dedicated to the history of the region of Bihar.
Patna Zoo (c. 1973), the zoo houses over a 100 species and also contains an aquarium and a botanical garden.
Golghar (c. 1786) (lit. Round House), it was a granary for the British Army built by Captain John Garstin, an engineer of the EIC.
Srikrishna Science Centre (c. 1978), it is a notable science center directed by the NCSM in Patna.
Patna Planetarium (c. 1993), even though it was completed in 1989, it was only opened in 1993 and is one of the newer planetariums in the country.
Maner Sharif (c. 1608), it is a town founded by Ibrahim Khan, the Governor of Bihar and was two tombs of famous sufi saint which are named Bari Dargah and Chotti Dargah.
Jalan Museum (c. 1919), it is an art & heritage museum with over 10,000 items built by Radha Krishna Jalan, a late businessman and collector. It is a privately owned museum.
For Kaimur District,
Mundeshwari Temple (c. 108), it is a temple dedicated to Shiva & Shakti and is one of the earliest specimens of Nagara architecture. It was built during the reign of Emperor Vima Kadphises. The monument is currently undergoing restoration work.
Karkat Waterfall, located in the Kaimur hills is a majestic sight.
For West Champaran District,
Valmiki National Park (c. 19??), it contains the largest continuous stretch of grassland among all wildlife sanctuaries in India and is home to Rhinos, Buffaloes, Tigers, Leopards, etc and even extends into Nepal.
For East Champaran District,
Kesariya Stupa (c. 4th Century CE), it is a stupa which may have been built to honor Buddha's last resting place and was possibly built during the time of Emperor Samudragupta.
For Rohtas District,
Rohtasgarh Fort (c. unknown; possibly 6th Century BCE), there are legends surrounding the fort that the legendary Emperor Harishchandra may have built the Fort. It was also a base of operations Sher Shah Suri when he overthrew Emperor Humayun and assumed the crown. It was transferred to Raja Man Singh who was a General under Emperor Akbar who developed the Fort and later made it into his Capital when he was made Governor of Bengal & Bihar.
Tomb of Sher Shah Suri (c. 1545), it is a tomb made up of red sandstone and dedicated to Emperor Sher Shah Suri. It is nick named as the second Taj Mahal of India. It is surrounded by an artificial lake.
For Jehanabad District,
Barabar Caves (c. 3rd Century BCE), these are a group of caves bored into a granite formations and is one of the oldest examples of rock cut architecture in India. It is also one of the more magnificent example of Mauryan era architecture. There is also another group of caves nearby called the Nagarjuni Caves which are slightly younger in age.
For Bhagalpur District,
Vikramashila University (c. 78?), it was a major center of learning (alongside Nalanda) during the reign of the Pala Dynasty and was built under Emperor Dharmapala. It was also under the personal patronage of Dharmapala therefore has a lot of his personal edicts unlike Nalanda University. It may have attracted a lot of Tibetian scholars as it finds widespread mention in later Tibetian texts.
Vikramashila Dolphin Sanctuary (c. 1991), it is possible to gain sightings of dolphins in the sanctuary and it is located close the the ruins of the University.
For Munger District,
Munger Fort (c. 4th Century CE, renovated in 1330), it is a fort beside the river ganga, built by Emperor Chandragupta Maurya and later renovated by Emperor Jauna Khan.
For Begusarai District,
Kanwar Lake Bird Sanctuary (c. 1987), it is located at the Kanwar Lake where a lot of migratory birds come and is also home to one of the rarest Indian vultures.
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u/thesuitguy69 Apr 09 '16
ELI5: How is Ganga in Bihar cleaner than Ganga in UP?
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u/deOutlier Apr 10 '16
That is because There are not as many industries in Bihar. In Uttar Pradesh there are Lot of industries on the banks of Ganga and its tributaries specially around Kanpur and Banaras, moreover proximity to Delhi also carries pollutant indirectly through Yamuna. Cities like Patna and Bhagalpur are not as industialised.
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Apr 10 '16
How can it be cleaner going down?
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u/deOutlier Apr 23 '16
River has a self cleaning property, as the natural bacteria process the waste that came in, and more (less polluted) rivers join, overall pollutant concentration in river water decreases, hence the filth that is added in Delhi or Kanpur, reaches Bihar in lesser concentration therefore river is cleaner
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u/truelie Apr 09 '16
really ??
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u/thesuitguy69 Apr 09 '16
Born in Patna, been to Kanpur several times. The difference is visible. (Although it doesn't seem too clean in Patna either)
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u/kbwd Apr 09 '16
Things have been improving in Bihar. GDP of $51bn and growth rate of 17%. Literacy has increased by 24% over the last decade.
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u/UnbiasedPashtun Apr 08 '16 edited Apr 09 '16
Biharis, do you think that Bihar should annex (unify with) Purvanchal (Eastern UP) and Jharkhand (only the Bihari speaking regions of JK)?
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
Annex is the wrong word and I think being part of a different state doesn't cause any problem for people who have been living there forever. As things stand now, it is totally unnecessary.
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Apr 11 '16
I am a Bihari and I believe they should join Bihar. My caste is Bhumihar and we are based mainly in Bihar but we have a large population in East UP (mainly Varanasi) who we regularly intermarry with. Rajputs in Bihar share similar clans with East UP Rajputs as well such as Bais, Bisen, Srinet, Parmar etc. Rajputs in North Jharkhand are basically Bihari as well since they detest the local tribal population in South Jharkhand.
Majority of the people commenting aren't even Bihari but seem to hate Bihar, as you can see by the rude and disrespectful comments, this is why I support an independence movement for Bihar and adjoining regions since other Indians treat us like dirt due to our poverty.
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u/iVarun Apr 09 '16
Bihar itself needs to be split up once more. Its too big like UP.
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Apr 11 '16
As a Bihari I can tell you that is one stupid idea.
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u/iVarun Apr 11 '16
No administrative province/state should be bigger than 50Million people. Esp one which is as dysfunctional and poor and inefficient as Bihar, UP.
This is an administrative long term developmental issue not a Campaign against Bihar issue.
Bihar was too big when it had like 110 Million people before the split and its still too big at having 100 Million people.
There is nothing stupid in this. Its part of the most efficient use of capital that a resource-scarce country like India at this stage of its development stage can afford to do.
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Apr 09 '16
Annex Jharkhand lol.... What kind of stupid question is this.. Is bihar an independent country to annex anything?
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u/UnbiasedPashtun Apr 09 '16
Well they used to be united before. Some person asked about splitting Bihar between Maithilis and Bhojpuris, and I asked about uniting the Bihari speaking regions.
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Apr 09 '16
So many things wrong in your statement. Gonna point out the major ones:
a. Bihari speaking regions? Bihari is not a language just like Indian is not a language. They speak maithili, Bhojpuri or Magahi
b. Jharkhand is definitely not 'Bihari speaking'. None of the other three are spoken in Jharkhand. The major languages are Hindi, Ho, Mundari, Santhali etc
C. The word you used was annex. Not the right word to use. As for unification, the idea is as ridiculous as akhand Bharat. Also as offensive as asking Pakistanis and Nepalis as being a part of India. Soveriegn nations, separate states. Specially given that Jharkhand has sacrificed a LOT to be separated from Bihar
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u/cool_boyy Apr 08 '16
Why do Biharis say Y as J and V as B? For ex. Ye baat will be said as Je baat, Vaastav mein will be said as Baastab mein etc.
Also, why do they call zimmedaari (responsibility) as zimmevaari?
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
Because no language is standard everywhere. People speak the same language differently even in different parts of Bihar. I don't think there is any specific reason.
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u/deOutlier Apr 10 '16
"V" sound does not exist in eastern indian languages chiefly Bangla Assamese Odia, and languages of bihar have also lost that sound,
saying Y as J is done in almost all Indo aryan languages (Haryanvi marwari to Bhojpuri )except Modern Standard Hindi
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u/kbwd Apr 09 '16
Y ko J to haryanvi bhi bolte hain, and people from some other areas as well.
V ko B bolte hain because that's how we are taught in schools, idk why.
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u/deOutlier Apr 10 '16
"V" sound does not exist in eastern indian languages chiefly Bangla Assamese Odia, and languages of bihar have also lost that sound, hence approximate it to "B". not correct to blame school or label them as "improperly educated"
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u/kbwd Apr 11 '16
I am not labelling them as improperly educated. I was educated in Bihar myself. I am just saying that's how we are taught in schools, and that's how everyone speaks here.
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u/truelie Apr 09 '16
good question! never noticed that. I guess it's the touch of dialect. But I don't think "Je baat" finds the origin in state.
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 08 '16
ब्रेकिंग न्यूज़
बिहार में शराबबंदी के कारण रात में अंग्रेजी बोलनेवालों की संख्या में 65 प्रतिशत की कमी आई।।
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Apr 08 '16
Maithlis of Bihar, would you prefer a separate Mithlanchal/Mithila or stay a part of Bihar? Maithlis seem to be culturally distinct from other parts of Bihar. The language is one of the 22 recognised in the Eight Schedule. Original Tirhut script resembles Bengali(Gaud to be exact), got replaced with Devanagari. There existed a large literary base for the major part of the subcontinent history. Both Buddha and Mahavira lived in Mithila regions. Not to mention, events of Ramayana took place in Mithila. Only thing going against your favour is that much of the area now exist under Nepal and Bangladesh and statewise, Jharkhand and WB.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Eh, I don't think that the majority of the maithils want a separate Mithilanchal.
Sure we have a distinct culture but we also have many overlapping aspects with Bhojpur and I don't think there is any kind of rift between them and us.
Plus, both of the groups use Hindi extensively. So no language problem.
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u/ChaiCoffeeChaiChai Apr 08 '16
A couple of years back, there were streaks of kidnappings in Bihar, of doctors, engineers, etc.
Was it news that blew things out of proportion? Did people have to be very politically cautious all the time? How's the safety situation in Bihar now (big cities/ towns)?
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Apr 12 '16 edited Apr 12 '16
Saw a guy getting kidnapped right before my eyes when I was a kid, about a decade ago. One of the most enduring images of my childhood. All shops would be closed before eight and my parents would get quizzy if I stayed out beyond 6-7. That was the situation. Under JDU the situation improved a lot, because I remember receiving my brother at the station at 2 in the morning, walking all the way there through deserted streets: something that only a lunatic or a masochist would consider doing under laluraj. I don't have any idea how the situation is now - don't live there anymore. But probably gonna move back soon so guess I'll find out then. Parents tell me it's more or less like nitishraj, though.
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u/Tamrajkillbill Apr 08 '16
Yup dude most of my childhood spent like that confined in my home with no permission to get out and play.. THE kidnapping scene was so bad in patna that my parent unwillingly send me to boarding school far far away.. For instance one day while I was in 5th or 6th class went down from school straight to a golgappa wala and when I came half hour late to home I found mom had already called police 🚨.. Now the same old goons are back god help bihar..
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
I don't think that the situation is as bad as it was during Lalu's haydays but still. I am also afraid that Lalu's return might bring back those dark days.
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u/Scout98 Apr 09 '16
Middle-class Biharis need to create a preemptive Citizens' Force that will use force to deter such criminals. If the Police cannot be relied upon that is.
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u/Shivamn666 Apr 08 '16
As the governor of Bihar, Sher Shah started the system of tri-metalism which came to characterize Mughal coinage. He also minted a coin of silver which was termed the Rupiah that weighed 178 grains and was the precursor of the modern rupee.
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u/Angry1ndian Apr 08 '16
What re some of the big industries operational in bihar? Why is Bihar lagging in Industries despite being closer to various minerally rich states like Jharkhand and Orissa? Would appreciate if some on from Bihar throw some light on this.
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
Very fertile land and lack of any foresight or desire to do something by our leaders since independence. Until very recently we always thought in terms of caste and nothing else.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
I don't think Bihar is mineral rich anymore. Almost all the mines were in Jharkhand.
As for the industries, ¯\ (ツ )/¯
I am guessing, decades of government incompetence.
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u/Angry1ndian Apr 08 '16
Yes, I know.. But if your road connections and power supply have improved as projected by Nitish Govt, what's stopping Industries from setting shop there? As we all know Bihar has one of the highest number of intra-country migrating population. So cost of labour will also be lower in setting shop there compared to Gujarat. Yet, hardly any industry has come up there!!! Is this "Sushasan" only on paper?
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u/_snorlax__ Apr 12 '16
Because of rampant gundagardi. I'll give you an example, a big university was supposed to be built in patna. The uni awarded the contract of construction to a reputed international engineering firm like LT&T etc., But even before ether could start the construction local mafia comes and threatens to beat them. So, the firm gave up the project and ran away, to be handled by the local contractors. The uni looks like shit and is built like shit.
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Apr 09 '16
Sushasan=/= setting up industries. Also includes decrease in crime, education, better connectivity.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Apart from the NHs, the road situation is still way worse than the rest of the country. Even the roads in Patna are not worthy of a state capital. You can imagine the situation in small villages.
Power supply is fucked up, even in Patna. My cousin lives in Begusarai and she said that they are getting power cuts almost half the day. In villages, it's all a big Hail Mary.
And I have talked to many Bihari autowallahs in Kolkata and Bangalore and they said that why would anyone migrate away from home if they got a job back home.
Let's face it. No one will want to work in a state with a totally different language when you can get a job at home and be near family too.
Situation is improving in Bihar but it's still pretty bad. Also, it can't all be blamed on Nitish but damn, that guy has a good PR dept. The amount of work being done is nowhere near that is being advertised.
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u/zistu Apr 08 '16
Jai Bihar.
I have lived in Delhi, Bangalore, Mumbai and Patna.
Patna had the nicest people, probably because small place. But my people are lovely people I believe.
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u/truelie Apr 09 '16
had the nicest people
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 09 '16
Patna had the nicest people. Try migrating to reading glass.
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u/truelie Apr 09 '16
Sorry, couldn't get your point. Can you kindly explain. Do you think Patna has no more the nicest people.
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Apr 08 '16
how is the state coping up with latest liquor ban???
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Lots of reports of people going crazy due to withdrawal. Hospitals are getting flooded with such people.
OTOH, Housewives are happy with the ban.
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u/antariksh_vaigyanik Apr 10 '16
Look at this. Bihar: Two die of alcohol withdrawal syndrome as they fail to get daily quota in dry state.
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 08 '16
Coincidently this week has martrydom & birth anniverseries of Mangal Pandey and Lord Mahavir.
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u/rms_returns Apr 08 '16
Congratulations on becoming the second dry state of India (after Gujarat).
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 08 '16
Thanks
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Apr 09 '16
Timepass kar rahe hain marde? Jharkhandi hain aau Bihar ke behalf par thanks bol rahe hain?
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 09 '16
चलता है मरदे, पूर्वज लोग बिहारी थे। ( अपने पूर्वजों से घंटा कुछ नहीं लेना देना), पैदा हुए और पले बढे झारखंड में ( उस वक़्त तो बिहार था), इंजीनियरिंग इलाहबाद से, नौकरी दिल्ली में(17 साल), ब्याह अलीगढ़ में, अपना फ्लैट नॉएडा और गाज़ियाबाद , पर रहते दिल्ली में ही है। दोनों बेटी दिल्ली में पैदा हुई है।
दिल तो झारखण्ड में ही अटका है।
आप कहाँ अमेरिका में सेटल्ड हैं?
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
I don't see anything to cheer about especially in the long term. We are a poor state as it is and now, what would have been liquor tax, will directly go to bahubalis and netas.
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u/rms_returns Apr 08 '16 edited Apr 08 '16
But you will surely see a reduction in crime. Crime, poverty and alcohol all go hand in hand. Granted that liquor will still be sold in the black market, but the fact that it is not sold openly means that people will have to make some extra effort and take a risk to get liquor which not everyone is going to do. This is one of the reasons why Gujarat is such a peaceful and progressive state.
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And Nitish Kumar seems to be making a proactive effort to implement this properly. I'm sure he would have considered the possibility of bahubalis and netas trying to exploit this move and hopefully will keep checks accordingly.
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u/venkyprasad Apr 08 '16
Gujarat is a completely different case, no one really cares for alcohol there because they have never had it, except for the upper class and college students. If you want it its really easy to get.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
I don't see how crime and alcohol are related. Kidnappers and murderers don't go about their job while drunk.
And Gujarat isn't developed due to alcohol-ban. That's due to various industries there. Bihar isn't even close to Gujarat in that regards. Alcohol ban has a few benefits but the negative impact will be far bigger.
And maybe Nitish isn't corrupt and maybe he took this step with good intentions but if you knew the ground realities of Bihar then you would clearly see that a black market is gonna flourish soon and our netas will be at the front to bless these illegal thekas.
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u/Scout98 Apr 08 '16
Are Biharis from Mithilanchal & Anga closer to Bengalis in terms of genetics, language, culture and cuisine, or closer to UPites and North Indians ?
Do Biharis consider themselves Eastern India (like WB, Jharkhand and Odisha) or North India ?
I would guess that the Bhojpuri-speaking & Magahi-speaking region is a part of North India while the Maithili-speaking and Angika region is a part of Eastern India/Historical Bengal.
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u/deOutlier Apr 10 '16
cant say about genetics but Linguistically Maithili is very closely related to Bangla, it shares a closer common ancestor with bangla assamese Odia that is Magadhi Prakrit, and so does Bhojpuri.
In fact genetically both languages arwe closer to bangla than hindi, so i guess by that criterion, Whole of Bihar would classify as Eastern India
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Apr 08 '16 edited Apr 08 '16
Also what do you mean but Mithalanchal genetics? It's a language region, not an ethnic group. Rajputs, Bhumihars, Brahmins, Dalits etc all live in Mithila and all are separate groups. A sturdy Bhumihar farmer shares nothing in common with a physically different Bengali.
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 08 '16
we do not pay detailed thought to being north or east Indian.
I am a Jharkhandi, but I am closer to bihari Bhojpuri belt than WB, though my hometown shares boundary with later.
Come on yaar, how does it matter.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16 edited Apr 08 '16
I am from Mithila and I had never noticed any similarities with the Bengalis. But some Bengalis have said that they find Maithili similar to Bangla. I can't vouch for it as I am no linguist. Also there are a few similarities with the Nepali culture.
As for the cuisine, fish features prominently in Mithila cuisine and not so much in the bhojpuri/magahi cuisine. So I guess that's one similarity to Bengal.
Jharkhand is almost similar to us. So we don't see any big difference between them and us. Eastern UP is also very similar.
As for the North India vs East India thing, I am not entirely sure. Maybe something in middle. We don't think much about it though.
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u/yalsik Apr 08 '16
I have told by the Maithils that the Bengalis stole their script.
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Apr 08 '16
It's true, also there are a lot of physical differences between Maithili speakers and Bengalis. The British noted that Bhojpuris and Maithilis where larger and taller in comparison to Bengalis who had chubby faces and darker skin.
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Apr 08 '16
I am from Bhojpuri, Maithili border area and Bengalis are not similar to us at all. We have completely different castes and groups and share more in common with Bhojpuris.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Obviously, we share a lot with bhojpuris. We are part of the same state after all.
I was just pointing out the prominent usage of fish in both, our and Bengali culture. Apart from that, I don't know any other similarity.
Also you say, bhojouri-maithili border. May I ask what part is that?
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u/randombloke Apr 08 '16
Liquor ban, what do you guys have to say about it?
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
Liquor ban is symbolic of what is wrong with the state. Instead of doing real work the government as well as people believe in these kind of gimmicks.
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u/Jantajanardan Apr 09 '16
Gujju here. It's as much cultural as legislative. Lift the ban in Gujarat and consumption patterns won't change. Maybe after a decade or so it will.
U think banning will change things there in Bihar? Immediately no. Long term yes.
I would say we should try legislating to ensure decrease/control in alcohol consumption across the country. With recent prosperity, we Indians are drinking more than anyone in the world.
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u/ithesatyr Apr 09 '16
It is a nice way to earn millions fast. They could not stop bootlegging in gujrat, they won't even try in bihar.
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u/rms_returns Apr 08 '16
Contrary to popular opinion, I think this is a positive move considering that crime, poverty and alcohol goes hand in hand in a large section of undeveloped Bihar. Moreover, Nitish Kumar seems very proactive to implement this, so I'm sure he would have already considered the possibility of middlemen exploiting this move and taken steps accordingly.
Moreover, Bihar is not the only state to have done this. In Gujarat, we already have alcohol ban since ages and it is one of the most vibrant, peaceful and progressive states in India.
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u/Dot_not_feathers Apr 08 '16
Chaloo bhag chu. . . ban only leads to mafia and kaccha daaru. . progressive because of import , and industry. . and drinks and crime go as much hand in hand as money and crime. . so ab kya Mehta bhai? Paisa bhi ban karwaaogey kya ? Zaraa sense key saath baat karo
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u/randombloke Apr 08 '16
I have to disagree with you, Ban on alcohol has noting to do with gujarat being progressive state.
Only people the ban helps is the govt machinery to fill their pockets up.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Idiotic decision. The liquor-tax will now go into the pockets of officials and netas.
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u/randombloke Apr 08 '16
So, what's with the stories about. Women and youth coming out in numbers to force the shop shut.
Also, correct me if I am wrong. I think, I read something about lifetime imprisonment and even death penalty for consumption and or distribution of liquor.
If true, that is the most dangerous and idiotic law. I would actually be scared to even visit there.
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Some groups of women are supporting the ban as their husbands used to get drunk and beat them and such. Can't say that their celebration is wrong.
As for the youth, those are party affiliates. I don't see any support of the ban among the common youth.
I am not aware of the details of the law though.
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u/thrownwa Apr 08 '16 edited Apr 08 '16
My broad reasons for Independence of Bihar.:
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Deliberate central policies to hurt economic prospects of Bihar: We all know the story of freight equalization policy that was used by GoI to steal the mineral wealth of Bihar and larger eastern India. Under this policy the transportation cost of selected minerals was subsidized by the central government which meant that any mineral included in this list will be available at the same price anywhere in India. The natural location advantage enjoyed by Eastern States was thus denied and the industries went to financially rich coastal regions of west and south. Had this policy not been in place many industries would have set-up their factories in Eastern India. Interestingly minerals that are found in western or southern India like oil from Mumbai-high were conveniently excluded from this list. Talk about double whammy. According to one estimate, Bihar lost Rs 1,12,812 crore just through the freight-equalization of steel alone. In the name of curing 'regional imbalance' and fostering 'equality' south-Indian industrialist and then finance minister T T Krishnamachari enacted this policy. The same notion of equality that was once used to discriminate against Biharis is now invoked to deny Bihar the special status. One wonders how little has changed both in terms of rhetoric and intention in all these years.
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Differential and discriminatory public spending allocation for Bihar to impede it's growth: Anyone even vaguely familiar with policy-science would recognize the positive role played by government spending in region's macroeconomy. When we compare planned allocation for Bihar with the developed states such as Punjab, Haryana, Gujarat and Maharashtra, it becomes clear that Bihar has been systematically deprived of funds. Gujarat, Maharashtra and Haryana received per capita allocation of more than double that of Bihar during the entire plan period. Thus we see Bihar was not poor it was made poor and it was kept poor.
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State-sponsored violence against Biharis: People from Bihar are routinely targeted outside of Bihar by members of ruling party, opposition and general public. Instrument of law-enforcement is used to extort money from them and their vulnerability in alien-country is exploited to deny them their proper wages. Often drugs and other dangerous substances are used to make them work longer hour. In the worst case they are also murdered as different events show. All these go with the help of silent and active consent of respective states.
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Historical, cultural, linguistic, religious and other reasons: Bihar has always been an independent nation of its own. Even when it included other regions, sovereignty flowed from Bihar and not the other way round . Present union thus by and large has no precedence in history. Culturally Bihar and let's say Gujarat are as similar as day and night. In the same vain Bihar's unique linguistic, cultural and religious heritage which have only been mocked till now today face complete annihilation. Some Biharis have even been made to think that Bihar is somehow burden to India when in fact the reality is completely reverse.
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Understanding the poor economic performance of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh, India: a macro perspective
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A Study on the Problems of Migrant Labour in Punjab : http://www.esopb.gov.in/static/PDF/HDR/(3)studyOfMigrants_full.pdf
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
I think there is not much point in forming a new country but I am of the view that Bihar should start making some noise at least. The central government and other state governments have clearly failed to protect the interest of people from Bihar. Right now everyone takes us for granted. We are more than self sufficient in food and if we are new country at least we will develop some industry as we can tax imports from other states and there will be some cost for qualified people to leave the state and so they will start something in the state itself.
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u/deOutlier Apr 10 '16
Technically, freight equalization policy was bad for the area which is currently in Jharkhand as Bihar hardly has any minerals. It can also be argued that Bihar ruled Jharkhand as internal colony before partition. Even today Jharkhand is reeling from its aftereffects. for example, despite having largest coal reserves, jharkhand is a power deficit state as the largest power plants were set up in Bihar (Barh and Kahalgaon) based on coal of jharkhad
Bihar has immense potential for agriculture, causes for its backwardness also lie in underdeveloped agriculture sector. Land reforms were not carried out when they should have been, sufficient funds were not invested in improving technology, and centre and state both are to be blamed for it
Though there is violence against biharis in many parts of the country but it is not "only" against biharis but many "outsiders" (peoples from north east, south India). Moreover if you take that as argument what about the violence amongst biharis in bihar. intercaste and other violence inside bihar are many magnitude higher than what happens outside
Bihar was never an "independent nation" it has been part of empires, some of them have been based in bihar but that does not mean it was an independent nation
linguistically and culturally many regions in India are as different as "night and day" but that does not mean they cant be part of the same nation, i this context indian nationalism differs from narrower definitions of nationalism in europe
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Apr 09 '16
A Study on the Problems of Migrant Labour in Punjab : http://www.esopb.gov.in/static/PDF/HDR/(3)studyOfMigrants_full.pdf
This is very old by cultural dynamic standards. Punjabis have accepted Bihari immigration as something inevitable, at the very least. The cultural problems and suspicious seems to have subsided.
Source: Lived in Punjab from 2009 to today, I know the difference in attitudes.
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u/shadilal_gharjode Apr 09 '16
Availability of raw materials is only one of the factors influencing the location of industries. One cannot blame the freight equalization policy only for the current state of industrial (lack of)presence in Bihar. Sure, Bihar lost one of the competitive advantages but so did other states like Maharashtra due to constitutionally mandated mobility of labour who send back remittances to their home states. Bihar also failed to work on other crucial factors such as human resources(education, health, etc.), promoting local entrepreneurship, political reforms in public procurement, service delivery, business-friendliness, etc. Madhya Pradesh was as BIMARU as Bihar a few decades ago but now is one of the fastest growing states in India. Indore is one of the finest cities we have today, despite not being the capital or a major industrial hub.
The blame for the state's political, social and economical underperformance has to be shared by the people too. I mean all the states have, at some point of time, stepped their foot on the axe themselves. Bihar cannot shy away from the fact that it let people like Lalu Yadav and Rabri Devi rule over it for 15 frikking years. The changes that Nitish Kumar brought were so visible also because of the contrast from the literal fucked up mess his predecessors left the state into.
If cultural distinctiveness should be grounds for independence, every state in India qualifies for it and yet I pray it doesn't happen. Instead of expressing the (non)developmental exasperation in the form of a secessionist overtones, maybe we should focus on electing and perhaps joining the cadre of public representatives that bring uniform progress across the country.
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Apr 08 '16
Trust me, I'm a Bihari and sometimes I feel nothing but hate for other Indians. AZAD MAGADH
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u/prabhjeet29 Apr 08 '16
So, you are pointing that 36 laborers were died in Punjab in 1988 while digging SYL canal. Bro, that was the black time in punjab and nobody was secure in that times.
Hatred towards bihari laborers are lot less in Punjab than in other states like MH.
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u/Scout98 Apr 08 '16
All your points are also applicable to West Bengal since it too lost out on Freight Equalization policy. Yet most Biharis think WB's problems are because of the people of WB only. So why isnt the same for Bihar ?
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u/truelie Apr 08 '16
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Has bahubali culture returned after the formation of new government?
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Personally speaking Nitish Kumar has lost his good image after joining hands with RJD. How do you take it.
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For my muslim friends non-BJP, for my educated Yadavs friends (not all), only a Yadav. Do we see where are we headed with such reasoning.
Please clarify if you are a Bihari, living in Bihar in your reply/comment.
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u/minigunmaniac Apr 07 '16
Litti Choka is my new favorite meal.....
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u/a_random_individual Apr 08 '16
Try it with ghee and baigan chokha, if you haven't already. Utterly delicious.
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u/truelie Apr 08 '16
Valid question, don't know why you got downvoted. Almost the same which an Indian guy faces in say Middle East. Many of my friends were afraid/shy to reveal their identity in outside states. Bihari is taken as a slang. But for me Bihari is my identity. If someone called me Bihari, I never feet offended. I love to talk in my own dialect. We are the "हम"sayers -हमारी नौकरी ,हमारी ट्रेन and not the "मैं "I-specialist मेरी नौकरी ,मेरी ट्रेन.
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u/areuanidiot Apr 07 '16
Do you understand what constitutes racism or what racism is? Seriously, before asking this question did you really check the meaning.
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u/cheesybonk Apr 07 '16
How good is Nitish kumar as a person? as a politician? Does he have long term views or short term ones for developing your state? How's that union with lalu going on?
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u/lalu4pm Apr 12 '16
I don't think he has any long term views or even any roadmap for doing anything. He keeps making some noise once in a while but nothing more. Lalu was so, so, so bad that even without any roadmap for future Nitish is like god. If people voted simply based on work everyone who voted for Lalu should be voting for Nitish every time.
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u/sammyedwards Apr 07 '16
From one of the most advanced states 3000 years back to one of the most backward states today..
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It was doing fairly well till the '70s.
Also, it might help to not live in the glory from 2500 years ago. For Bihar, and for all of India as well.
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u/anandmohanbokaro Apr 08 '16
You are not wrong. In the similar line when people talk about illiteracy in my state, I point to pseudo literate like you.
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u/WhyJi Apr 10 '16 edited Apr 11 '16
How is the new 'Mahagathbandhan Sarkar' doing?