r/SubredditDrama • u/IT_WAS_JUST_BANTER • Sep 26 '15
Vegan drama in /r/bisexual with over 70+ comments. "This is why people hate you. You're preaching your religion and telling them they're going to hell."
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Sep 26 '15
Food drama is best drama. People get super riled up when someone doesn't eat the same way they do.
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u/ArchangelleDovakin Sep 27 '15
Not only is this food drama, but there's nomnom justice warriors thrown into the mix. Good shit.
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u/MisdemeanorOutlaw Sep 27 '15
I don't even care about the drama that was linked, vegan drama is old and boring and pretty much the same every time, but what the fuck does being vegan have to do with being bisexual? Why is that an acceptable post on that subreddit? I hate to bring up the "vegans will always tell you they're vegan" meme, but that kinda seems like the case here.
Bisexuality and veganism are irrelevant to each other, so why post about it on the bisexual subreddit? If I was a mod on that sub I probably would have just deleted this post, tbh.
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Sep 27 '15
r/bisexual is a pretty shit subreddit anyways. About half the posts are "I have a crush on this kid in high school but I don't think I'm gay could I be bisexual? -_-"
There's not much to talk about that isn't included in the more general LGBT subreddits.
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u/Drando_HS Sep 27 '15
It's way more welcoming though.
In the LGBT community there's actually a lot of distain for bisexuals. It's hard to explain but a lot of people think they're just pretending to be strait while gay or vice versa. And there's a lot of assuming promiscuity too. "As a gay man I won't date a bi guy he might run off for a girl" kinda stuff.
I have a sneaking suspicion that it is really resentment of that fact that bi's can pass as "normal" if they find the tight partner.
Too strait to be gay, too gay to be strait kinda thing.
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u/elulswept Sep 26 '15
If you have to take a pill or eat processed and fortified foods to make your diet work, I'd say that's a pretty good indication that it isn't how your body is meant to function day-to-day. Furthermore, it's widely thought among anthropologists that meat played a big part in making us human. Nothing fallacious about it.
I thought this guy was starting to have a pretty good point. But then he fell apart instead went to talking about looks and hunting. Discussions like these really bring out the worst in the downvote button, in my opinion.
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Sep 27 '15
I agree; an appeal to nature is one of the weakest ways to argue when talking about morals. We raped, pillaged, and drank each others piss, but that doesn't mean we should do it.
The only way, that I am aware of, to reasonably justify eating meat the way we do today, is to say: "I don't think we should care about the suffering of animals (apart from humans)." And very few people are willing to take this argument, because it kind of makes you look like an asshole.
To make this a complete hijack of your post, there's a quote that always comes to my mind when vegetarianism is discussed:
In the strict scientific sense we all feed on death - even vegetarians.
Mr. Spock, Star Trek, "Wolf in the Fold"
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u/tuckels Sep 27 '15
I disagree that vegans having to take supplements is a good argument against veganism. Unless you're an Israelite in the desert, there's no preordained diet handed down from up on high. There's no one diet that you're "meant to eat".
The right diet is the one that keeps you healthy, & if it happens to contain supplements, then so be it. We've got a multitude of modern technology our ancestors didn't have, & live very different lifestyles, which gives us a flexibility in our diet that they couldn't afford.
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u/smileyman Sep 27 '15
Unless you're an Israelite in the desert, there's no preordained diet handed down from up on high.
Lots of religions have various dietary restrictions associated with them. Obviously there's Judaism and Islam, but also many Christian religions have dietary restrictions (e.g. Mormons, Jehovah's Witnessess, 7th Day Adventists, and others).
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u/Beagle_Bailey Sep 27 '15
And if living a life that requires you to take supplements is bad, then people shouldn't be living in Northern Europe, considering the number of people who have to take Vitamin D up there during the winter,
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u/invaderpixel Sep 27 '15
Reddit's got this weird bias against supplements, I swear. Try mentioning that you take a multivitamin and you'll get a lot of "well you should get all your necessary nutrients from food so no one needs multivitamins" responses. It's like "bitch I'm eating a typical American diet, I know I've got gaps, lemme take my cheap ass pill and flush out what I don't need through urine." Someone out there is getting every vitamin and macronutrient they need without any help of science and technology but I doubt it's someone dicking around on reddit like me.
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u/KingEsjayW Sep 27 '15
Immortality contributes to discussion then tells the other guy he cares to much. What?
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u/hendrix67 Sep 27 '15
That really made him come off as an asshole. He types up this big comment and then blasts the guy for responding, what a jerk.
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u/papaHans Sep 26 '15
Do you think you're not being cruel to animals when you eat meat?
I wonder if he would be ok if a person raised the animals and took good care of them and ate the animal after it died of natural causes.
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u/ArchangelleDovakin Sep 27 '15
It's usually a bad idea to eat animals that have died naturally, given the higher likelihood of disease and the generally poor state of the meat itself.
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u/queenpining Sep 27 '15
There are two kinds of vegans, those that do it for health reasons and those that do it for moral reasons. Most who do it for health reasons see it as a personal choice. Most who do it for moral see it as a moral imperative. Basically a lot (although not all) who do it for moral reasons think that the 'right' thing is for everyone to do it. Whereas most people still see it as a choice.
Basically it's an argument over personal morals. Some people's morals won't let them go to nude beaches, some will. Some people morals make them go to church, some don't.
But you're likely to get argumentative people no matter what side you're on.
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Sep 27 '15
People get super angry about what other people eat, for some reason.
You're right though, it's, I think, mainly a moral question for many.
I'm not vegan but we stopped mostly eating meat and moral concerns were a factor of that.
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Sep 27 '15
Basically it's an argument over personal morals. Some people's morals won't let them go to nude beaches, some will. Some people morals make them go to church, some don't.
Right, but people who are vegans for ethical reasons give arguments for why they think it is wrong to consume meat. It's silly to write it off as personal preference if you accept those same reasons in other domains.
Most people would think that kicking a dog for sexual pleasure is seriously morally wrong. Well, why? Most people would say that causing unnecessary suffering merely for personal pleasure is morally wrong. Well, the vegan would say that this is equally true of meat. The real discussion starts with contesting the vegan's claims that these two cases are similar. You might want to point out why eating meat is not unnecessary, or that animals are not capable of suffering in a sense that we should care about.
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u/7minegg Sep 27 '15
"How are you bisexual AND vegan?"
I feel like I'm missing a mutual exclusion rule in life. Clue me in, someone!
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u/Velvet_Llama Sep 27 '15
Woah woah woah. Is this vegan drama without the vegan? You know the one.
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u/table_fireplace Sep 27 '15
Go eat a cabbage, dork.
I'm definitely using this in real-life conversation.
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u/taterbizkit Sep 26 '15
Fucking faunocentrist propaganda.
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