r/SubredditDrama • Great post! • Feb 25 '15

Things you randomly discover as a mod: September last year /u/Beersaltz and /u/chton13 started an argument. And after 5 months and over 700 extremely salty comments, that argument has just been decided with a shadowban

Here is where it all seems to start. The backstory is that there was going to be a space combat MMO by a company called Piranha Games Inc whose kickstarter failed. Honestly, I don't really understand what it's really about - these guys look like they might have a history.

Our combatants are are /u/Beersaltz, who has -100 karma and is being accused of being a fanboy, and /u/chton who is a hostile pasta machine mocking the PGIs failing. Straight off the bat it's hilarious without any of this:

LOL so who's laughing now salty boy. The tears at the PGI offices must be epic. So while you can have fun trolling and getting nothing, some people trolled and wrecked a potential multi million dollar project. The real funny part is you don't realize how many people hate PGI. That reaping of what was sown is joyous karma! I can't wait for PGI's next project.

At this point (a long long way down), Beersaltz has had enough and starts repeating the same phrase:

Did you get the last word?

Nope.

cthon keeps hammering at him with insults for an entire month. Here's just one sample of the many, MANY replies he's got going on:

Winning feels so good. I have you as a captive audience to read every word that I type to bash you and your pathetic game. Will you quit this when PGI shuts down the servers which will be a lot sooner than you think. Maybe you should spend more effort on trying to get laid than on trolling on the internets. Seems you're not too good at either. I'm still winning every day all day. Good luck waiting me out.

He starts repeating them soon after in cycles. You can see by the time stamps these are not bots, they're doing this about once a day or more.

Here at around 3 months into this hellish pasta battle, /u/chton13 changes up his battle tactics opting for a simple "So salty!" comment; downvoting as he goes.

Next we have some sub-quest drama action here where Beersaltz links to this comment thread where chton13 is arguing with a separate user, over the same kind of topic, and Beersaltz jumps in.

Now we get up to current time, and after yet another bizarre argument in a different subreddit about saltiness and stalking (this time a 3 way with /u/Jedi_Outcast) it seems that /u/chton13 has been shadowbanned. Until then, this was the end of the line here.

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u/Metaphoricalsimile Feb 25 '15 edited Feb 25 '15

For a bit of background:

Mechwarrior Online (MWO) was launched with the promise of a persistent metagame called Community Warfare (CW). Based on this promise, among others, it had an extremely successful crowd-funding "Founders Program."

Over two years went by post-"release" (which followed a significant amount of time of "open beta" [use of scare quotes intended to emphasize how tenuous these concepts are for a F2P game]) with no CW, but with incredibly desperate money-grabs that increasingly alienated all but the most hard-core of fans.

However, the beloved IP and unique niche in the market ensured that those fans did exist, and many $500 mech packages were sold, and the company continued to promise CW in "March."

Then the PGI announced a new project: Transverse. They made up a trailer showcasing generic space war tropes and bad CGI, and launched the game with a Kick-starter like crowd-sourcing plan, banking on their previous crowd-sourcing success. The stretch goals included something like $1 million for space flight, and $2 million for combat. CW still did not exist.

At this point, even many of the hardcore supporters said a loud "WTF mates!" and a furore erupted among the fan base. People who were still fans felt betrayed that PGI would put resources into a new game, one that was a blatant ripoff of Star Citizen and looked like yet another desperate cash grab, before they'd even finished MWO. People who'd sailed ship said that this proved that PGI never intended MWO but anything other than a way to bleed fans of the IP of their money.

PGI went into full damage-control mode, taking control of the r/transverse subreddit. At first they simply deleted comments/posts in their subreddit that were critical, even mildly, of their new game announcement. Then they restricted submissions entirely so that only mods could post. Then they were all shadowbanned for violating reddit's rules against self-promotion.

Eventually, when their multi-million-dollar-goal crowdfunding plan completely failed, generating only a few thousand dollars, they announced that they would give all the money back and pursue more traditional funding for the game.

Currently, PGI has purchased MWO from their F2P publisher, CW is in open beta and delivering pretty much what was promised, and the game is in a lot better shape. The release of Transverse, however, stands out as one of my favorite episodes of internet drama of all time.

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u/SamWhite Feb 25 '15

I think that may be a longer time frame than the Violentacrez 'bark doggie bark' argument that broke reddit. Wow.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Holy shit that's a lot of energy and time wasted on trying to prove someone being wrong on the internet.

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u/GnomeChumpski Feb 25 '15

"Do you know what "nemesis" means?...A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible cunt... me." 

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Best part is you know both u/beersaltz and u/chton13 are (were) just fucking steaming mad. If either had an iota of self-awareness they'd see that getting the other to that point is a, ah, "win". Instead, it's down to the bare, exposed bones of their petty, spiteful personalities.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

Lol. u/FuriousTrainer is a tattletale who doesn't know what a self post is, apparently.

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u/rct2guy Feb 25 '15

LOL oh noes you're going to get this account banned! LOL you know as well as i how easy it is to make another and I don't have another account like you loser. So I'll be haunting your main account as long as I like.

As dumb as these two are, I can't believe something this insignificant warrants such a reaction. This guy is going to get his main account banned because he's stalking a user, and still doesn't feel satisfied, even after a five-month slapfight. I truly will never understand why these people act the way they do.

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u/Roboticide Feb 25 '15

The /r/wow mods are claiming credit for the shadowban.

Idiot stumbled into r/wow going after u/Jedi_Outcast, who as far as we can tell is completely unrelated and simply was misidentified as /u/Beersaltz's alt by chton. Less than two hours after we reported him, he just happened to have been banned.

Could have been five more months of arguing but the dumbass went into the wrong subreddit with his bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '15

This morning after coming back from the swimming lessons that the doctor recommended because I have scoliosis; I laid in my bed and started crying, I couldn't stop. the only irl friend I had, also the guy who I used to go out with, won't talk to me anymore. I cried non-stop because not him or anyone takes me seriously for a relationship, no one wants to date a mentally ''troubled'' person. I cried thinking about this ovarian cyst I have, that I'll need surgery for, about not having a job at the moment, no one wants to hire a depressed person; especially in the area of communications, I cried about having a bachelor's degree in something I hate and clearly isn't what I aimed for in life. I cried because I'm miserable and I fell asleep thinking of ways to off myself, even though it'd be the 6th attempt and I'd probably fail at that too. I cried because my dad denies my existence and because I went from honors student in school to a mental case. I woke up and read this thread, about you u/chton14 and your ''dedication'' and I smiled. The smile lasted for only 15 minutes because I'm miserable again, but I thank you u/chton14 I no longer think I'm the biggest loser in the planet. I am euphoric, enlightened, not by my own intelligence, but your mesmerizing stupidity. Thanks

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