r/homeland • u/fuzzy_dunnlop • Nov 11 '13
Discussion Episode Discussion - S03E06 - "Gerontion" [Spoilers]
Correction: This is S03E07
Carrie and Quinn scramble as Saul makes the gamble of his career.
Carrie is pregnant with Brodys baby! Dana is on a road trip to Orlando, Florida!
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u/Waadap Nov 11 '13
Wow, was that whole scene with the Senator satisfying. "Make me".
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u/xChowza Nov 11 '13
The Senator saying, "What the fuck?" after the glass got blacked out was freaking hilarious.
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u/sweetbacon Nov 11 '13
Completely, I rarely laugh out loud at Homeland but this scene got me.
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u/spanishlocket Nov 12 '13
When the Senator said that I thought that maybe he saw something suspicious in the conference room when the lights went off. He seemed to turn and say "What the fuck?" rather than at the door.
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Nov 11 '13
Shortsighted on Sauls behalf.
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u/Waadap Nov 11 '13
With the twists this show has thrown out though, there is obviously something larger at play to needing him, "In a position of power" back East. It's safe to say that Sauls need for him over there was greater than any repercussions from the Senator. There is gonna be some Coup de grace twist with Saul somehow that nobody is gonna see coming.
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u/absolutsyd Nov 11 '13
I'm pretty sure Saul just got himself the director job though, to be honest. I mean, if he goes to the president with what he has now, I can't imagine they shut it down. A real asset in Iran would be insanely valuable.
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u/tbotcotw Nov 11 '13
He had to get Javadi out of the country, period. This was the only way, plus he's done in two weeks no matter what.
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u/BlackZeppelin Nov 11 '13
No Brody family, better ep.
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u/ccrepitation Nov 11 '13
thank goodness. that whole family has a 'twilight' vibe. bunch of emotionless teenagers running around.
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u/justanotherkiwi Nov 11 '13
The actor who plays the Mom had her baby mid October so hopefully the Brody family has been written out for a few eps.
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u/Krystie Nov 12 '13
Best episode of the season imo, for this reason alone. Badass Saul, spycraft - this is exactly why we watch the show.
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u/ItsBobDoleYo Nov 11 '13
Can Quinn's disillusionment with the CIA lead to him exiting the show by season's end and getting his own spin-off where he travels the world being a badass?
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u/stagfury Nov 11 '13
He also seems to actually care about helping people. He can maybe steal Michael Westen's job and just be a badass and help the people!
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Nov 11 '13
I'm actually calling it now, Quinn commits suicide by the end of the season.
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u/ItsBobDoleYo Nov 12 '13
That would actually fit into the story (I think he needs a couple more shitty CIA happenings though, like he shoots & maims Carrie in the next ep) but DAMMIT NO! NO NO NO!
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u/ohfackoff Nov 11 '13
Quinn should always be in just a towel.
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u/Amerdoodle41 Nov 11 '13
Next time, smaller towel!
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u/absolutsyd Nov 11 '13 edited Nov 11 '13
Like [this] (http://fullhousereviewed.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/screen-shot-2011-08-03-at-1-47-13-am.png)?
Edit: I'm sad that no one got the reference.
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u/glossolalia Nov 11 '13
The title “Gerontion” refers to a TS Eliot poem of the same name, which is written in monologue by an elderly man who describes Europe following World War I. The poem was written in a time when new forms and systems of government were coming in to replace the ways of old — the elderly man in the poem has so much wisdom, but what does that wisdom count for as the world changes around him? The same could be asked of Saul, who, like the narrator of “Gerontion,” is an older man still clinging to old ideals and tactics.
From: http://screencrush.com/homeland-review-gerontion/ The poem "Gerontin" for anyone interested: http://www.bartleby.com/199/13.html
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u/she_is_a_stranger Nov 13 '13
it is a great poem, I wish there were more discussion about this. also, the next episode is titled after the William Carlos Williams poem "The Red Wheelbarrow"
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u/venn177 Nov 11 '13
Oh my god! An episode where everything went right!
This means everything is going to bite them in the ass next episode, to make up for it.
Edit: It feels like this episode is where the show is headed, with all of the intrigue around the hangups of dealing with terrorism and no unnecessary romantic drama or Brody family.
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u/tennisburger Nov 16 '13
Everything went right? Just one question. How in the frak does Carrie get access to the crime scene and work with (try and work with) the captain or whatever the fuck he is when she was discredited in front of the entire nation? She just waltz's into that crime scene (doo da doo), bugs her eyes out at the dude in charge, whimpers, then runs out like a little baby cuz she can't reveal anything. Guess what I'm trying to ask is, wasn't it hard to swallow that Carrie is all of a sudden "back in the mix" in public, after she's been appointed the queen of Nut Island in front of the world to see? It drove me up the fucking wall. This show has at least one giant plot hole per episode if you're unlucky enough to pay attention. I don't mean to be a dick, I JUST WANT ANSWERS! Also, you can play a drinking game to that show every time someone asks: "did you know," "I didn't know," "how did you know?" "how was I suppose to know?" "do they know?" etc...
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u/Mammoth_Zone_1635 Jan 08 '26
I’m 12 years too late but I’m a first time watcher anddddddd they need actually revealed carries identity to the public. They said an AGENT was hiding bipolar disorder and fucking Brody, but not WHICH agent.
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u/BiggC Nov 12 '13
nah, next episode will be 100% dana centric to appease her fans who missed her in this episode.
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u/slynn695 Nov 11 '13
Saul gets more bas ass every episode. Punching Javadi then locking the congressman in the room. What's next?
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u/50BluntsADay Nov 11 '13
He turns out to be the bad guy all along.
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u/absolutsyd Nov 11 '13
Man, I really thought that Iranian dude was going to say Saul was responsible for the bomb for a minute there...
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u/glossolalia Nov 12 '13
It is great TV but it makes me nervous, I think he'll get some blowback for being so impulsive for such an otherwise thoughtful and strategic character.
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u/-JAC Nov 11 '13
I knew I recognized Fara from somewhere. Turns out she played Nora on How I Met Your Mother.
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u/equipped_metalblade Nov 11 '13
Oh shit I didn't notice. But I did notice that Brody's wife was in a really old ep of himym. She was the girl with Crazy Eyes. Chloe
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u/WrongSubreddit Nov 11 '13
Brody's wife (Morena Baccarin) was also in Firefly and V
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Nov 14 '13
I was surprised people didn't catch on quicker. My friend texted me last week going "OH MY GOD ITS NORA FROM HIMYM!!!" And my only response was "... Yes?" Because the excitement had gotten to a meh point by then. Then I got a "Fuck you" and we went about our business.
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u/gimme_treefiddy Nov 11 '13
It took you so long to figure that out..... ಠ_ಠ
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u/ohfackoff Nov 11 '13
I've seen that a movie a dozen times and missed that it was her til just now. Damn
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u/cbtitus Nov 11 '13
I found this exchange to be very strange --
Saul: You're the one who made it possible. I want to return the favor.
Javadi: Does this look like a favor to you Saul?
Saul: Majid, thanks to you I stand at the center of things. You put me in power. You go back to Tehran I'll do the same for you. I... know... a way.
What is Saul really saying here, esp. with the last sentence? I know a way ... to do what?
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u/rayray1010 Nov 11 '13
Any Iranians who can translate the conversation between javadi and the analyst at the beginning?
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u/radin119 Nov 11 '13
i dont remember exactly but it was along the lines of Javadi calling her a traitor and then saying why are you wearing that on your head we aren't in Tehran, she then says I'd be in Tehran if it was't for the things you did to that country
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u/jmose86 Nov 11 '13
I breathed the biggest sigh of relief ever this season when Fara didn't do anything with those scissors. I was praying they didn't do something stupid where they already have the ridiculous premise of the rookie analyst with a banking specialty starting off the interrogation with a top Iranian intelligence official. Thankfully they didn't do that just to set her up stabbing him. Still, I can't quite figure out what the point of her character is yet outside of some labored commentary about Muslim Americans. They have to be building to something with her, right?
Based on Carrie throwing up, it looks like we definitely have a pregnancy plot. That's cause for a sigh of a different nature.
Really enjoyed the rest of the episode.
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u/gimme_treefiddy Nov 11 '13
Ok, is it just me or did you notice something from Quinn at the end when Carrie asks him a favor when he is quite shaken..
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u/glossolalia Nov 11 '13 edited Nov 11 '13
No good catch - he was kind of bearing his soul and Carrie is... Carrie: singularly focused on her job. I also wondered if he was pissed off that Carrie is still focused on "clearing Brody's name" which was her goal since last season while interacting with Quinn.
Also - Quinn probably feels some guilt for not killing Brody like he was ordered to by Estes, especially since he believed Brody did do the 12/12/12 bombing. But he refused David's orders to help Carrie.... only to have Brody be implicated in a massive bombing a week later. And here he finds Carrie is still obsessed with him in an emotional way, not a strategic one like he thought when he saw her map. It mustve been one hell of a slap in the face.
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u/hoohoo3000 Nov 11 '13
Except this is 307 :)